NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Unofficial Votecount Hydro Edition
(3) Celever
: ImaginaryNeon, Shane the Shroomish, genisu
(1) a fairy: bluedoom
(1) genisu: Clouds
(1) Shane the Shroomish: StupidFlandrs48
(1) Duskfall98: Laurel
(1) ImaginaryNeon: joey
(1) JALMONT: M2H
(1) Clouds: JALMONT

Voteless: a fairy, Alice Kazumi, Celever, Duskfall98, HydrogenHydreigon
 
Unofficial Votecount Hydro Edition
(3) Celever
: ImaginaryNeon, Shane the Shroomish, genisu
(1) a fairy: bluedoom
(1) genisu: Clouds
(1) Shane the Shroomish: StupidFlandrs48
(1) Duskfall98: Laurel
(1) ImaginaryNeon: joey
(1) JALMONT: M2H
(1) Clouds: JALMONT

Voteless: a fairy, Alice Kazumi, Celever, Duskfall98, HydrogenHydreigon
I believed Celever wagoned shane after I put it up
 
Unofficial Votecount Hydro Edition (Corrected0
(3) Celever
: ImaginaryNeon, Shane the Shroomish, genisu
(2) Shane the Shroomish: StupidFlandrs48, Celever
(1) a fairy: bluedoom
(1) genisu: Clouds
(1) Duskfall98: Laurel
(1) ImaginaryNeon: joey
(1) JALMONT: M2H
(1) Clouds: JALMONT

Voteless: a fairy, Alice Kazumi, Duskfall98, HydrogenHydreigon
 
well,
a) i think a not-insignificant part of the thread just ignores him
b) i don't understand why that indicates town, if everyone is townreading neon (which, btw, i definitely think is an exaggeration but i'm not going to sift through 100 pages right now) it'd be perfectly fine for the mafia to go with the flow and second that read to fit in

i agree in spirit but you were one of the more outspoken advocates for neon town, no?
 
yep i think the best representation would be HH's 13p role madness, but im still learning every time i play so.. still trying to find my meta

hah well i was asking about a game where you were specifically mafia, but thanks anyways. i'm kinda viewing your posts slightly better now that i've taken a step back i'm just... conflicted here, certain things don't make sense in the universe i'd imagine you'd have here i.e. thinking saber wasn't a mafia kill but then also thinking they idled their martyr, saying you think someone's being coached but immediately following that up with "but it's not flanders and maybe it's alice" so i have trouble understanding how that read began at all if you didn't have a specific player in mind. typically it'd be see new player saying sus things --> think that player may be getting coached, not just some underlying feeling that coaching is happening for who knows why
 
that's it for me from many hours, i have small windows to play mafia games on weekdays but i tried to make the most out of the night. there's a lot of interesting stuff for people to read back when they get here, please if you're town then don't feel like you can't interact with anything even if you're not super confidence in a certain read you may have. the more you put out there, the easier it becomes for us to read you
 
hah well i was asking about a game where you were specifically mafia, but thanks anyways. i'm kinda viewing your posts slightly better now that i've taken a step back i'm just... conflicted here, certain things don't make sense in the universe i'd imagine you'd have here i.e. thinking saber wasn't a mafia kill but then also thinking they idled their martyr, saying you think someone's being coached but immediately following that up with "but it's not flanders and maybe it's alice" so i have trouble understanding how that read began at all if you didn't have a specific player in mind. typically it'd be see new player saying sus things --> think that player may be getting coached, not just some underlying feeling that coaching is happening for who knows why
no about the saber kill i was just describing different possibilities that could have happened
 
Votals 2.2
(3) Celever
: ImaginaryNeon, Shane the Shroomish, genisu
(2) Shane the Shroomish: StupidFlandrs48, Celever
(1) a fairy: bluedoom
(1) JALMONT: M2H
(1) Duskfall98: Laurel
(1) ImaginaryNeon: joey
(1) Clouds: JALMONT
(1) StupidFlandrs48: Clouds

Voteless: a fairy, Alice Kazumi, Duskfall98, HydrogenHydreigon

You have around 39.25 hours until phase end. With 15 alive, it takes 10 to hammer early.

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(1) Votes for Extension: M2H

I had to do these in somewhat of a hurry so if anything is inaccurate please let me know!
 
it was bad. we should vote fairy

it's very weird there's this huge divide in the game though, feels like there's two sides who are just shouting past each other. I still think flanders is town. i have reevaluated alice and feel better about her too.

usually that kind of game state, is the worst game state for town since it means mafia is on both sides and no matter what side you go for they can deflect to a town on the side/area of the game that gets voted
 
it's past my bedtime but im staying up to do this yw all

the clear division in this game really bothers me because it's obviously not that simple. it's really weird and idk what to make of it. what's weird is that the cel trio really is pushing the narrative of this division (AF is just in there by association, she wouldn't ever comment on something like that seriously anyways so no way to remove her) which I think is relatively scummy because it's so early in the game to lock in on whatever you're feeling.

end of day 1 prior to my claim looked like this
celever/AF/flanders/alice vs. me/clouds/bluedoom/m2h (sort of)/dusk (sort of)/genisu/shane (sort of)/joey vaguely

then day 2 its like

cel/af/flanders vs. clouds/bluedoom/shane/me (but not really)/dusk with the emphasis really being on cel vs shane. I guess one of cel and AF is town since I don't think they buddy each other that hard attacking shane but maybe AF is defending cel by attacking shane? that seems to upfront for AF to go for as teammates with celever.

fwiw i thought saber townspewed post deadline but i dont deserve any credit for that now

things i don't like
Laurel giving a BPV to Clouds
Clouds revealing that Laurel gave him a BPV
AF voting me day 1
m2h and dusk voting me forcing me to claim on day 1 - i think m2h makes a little more sense than dusk, you can say dusk has been anti claim this whole game so it's bizarre he wanted to force me to claim instead of believing in his town read (maybe he didn't truly say i'm town? can't remember). in general behavior that detracts with the narrative a player is setting up i find suspicious. so when thomas says "CLAIMING IS BAD DONT DO IT" and m2h says "JALMONT IS TOWN AND WE WILL CLEAR HIM TOMORROW" and then vote me with the intention of forcing a claim, I get a bad feeling.

the BPV thing kind of stinks. Laurel why did you not give the BPV to HH? first, i don't see any reason why laurel would pick CLOUDS. ok clouds is the mafia champ. whatever, clouds could also be mafia and then we just wasted a bpv. and then fundamentally it just doesn't make any sense to me why you would claim being given a BPV. if i'm a super great power role, I'm sitting on that knowledge. sure, I defend laurel in the thread, but unless push comes to shove (and even then...) there's no reason to reveal that information right this moment ESPECIALLY knowing that laurel has already tried to make a relatively cheap mech clear play. it's just a weird moment to me. hopefully mechanical genius M2h can explain this to me. not sure i would believe they are both mafia but perhaps one? in the midst of writing this, I do see a line of play clouds may have thought of so I'll have to get back to this.

so maybe like
1 of cel/shane but cel > shane rn
1 of clouds/laurel b ut clouds > laurel rn
alice maybe i guess but i thought alice was a lot better to close out the day.
joey maybe? but i liked joey's posts a lot more than say alice or flandrs or saber
could throw in 1 of dusk/m2h for the lols but the 1 would be dusk. i don't really think m2h is mafia.
af
 
I mean if celever is scum then AF almost certainly has to be scum. if the vote was town v town mafia!AF just rides the vote out on me i think? alice disappearing with 13 minutes to go is a lot more suspect i will say if cel is town.

im not smart enough to figure out what af and flandrs were thinking in going to pulsar > celever with 3 minutes remaining. i guess that means its too late and i need to sleep cy@
 
im not scared of being voted out because i know i am not going to be the best player in endgame, you'll have to find some new way to scare me
I mean we kind need to vote out mafia not town if you are one of them... I don't think you being voted out gived us good info unlike shane/celever/jalmont so please be scared.
so what are the honest odds shane vs celever is tvt? if it is, who'd be taking advantage of it? i guess in a sense, my flanders vote is partly linked to this idea, even though i'm not sure i believe in the shane celever tvt universe yet. they both carry themselves pretty well, i think shane comes out looking better from the scuff than celever does contrary to what a fairy's saying, but here's flanders on the side just feathering celever's read on shane along and even voting him with celever. so yeah, if anyone wants to tell me why they townread flanders at this point in the game, be my guest. feel like the actual progress their posts make does not match how they come across with read strength, and there's a noticeable amount of relative passivity from them when you take a step back and look at things big picture
I townread flanders because he acts exactly the same as when we were masons, I don't think his style is easy to simulate as scum when he is a newbie but I may be wrong. I don't know yet if celever is using him or they are both town. I think the fishy part is on Shane-Celever-A fairy.
I dont like A fairy saying that Shane looks worse. the only thing I got from that exchange is that
 
I mean we kind need to vote out mafia not town if you are one of them... I don't think you being voted out gived us good info unlike shane/celever/jalmont so please be scared.
I townread flanders because he acts exactly the same as when we were masons, I don't think his style is easy to simulate as scum when he is a newbie but I may be wrong. I don't know yet if celever is using him or they are both town. I think the fishy part is on Shane-Celever-A fairy.
I dont like A fairy saying that Shane looks worse. the only thing I got from that exchange is that
is that I'm an idiot and clicked early again.

Is that flanders somehows support celever? I dont see why he does it. I'm trying to understand it because I share some of his views.
 
JALMONT the weird thing about the cel/af interaction is that af attacks shane but...thinks celever is the scummier of the two in the interaction? which is kinda making me paranoid of the world where af is mafia hedging on a t/t argument between shane/cel
ironically this is probably the most aggressive interaction ive seen AF have but then ofc she hedges at the end by saying cel is scummier lol.

if it's t/t i just don't think AF bothers getting that involved if she's mafia. maybe pipes in once but it's so much easier to stay out of two towns who could probably argue in circles for the rest of the day cycle. if all 3 are town then fk me
 
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