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NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)
- Thread starter charlieum
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I'm reading
what did I dodge?
you think that confirms you as town?
I would like to engage with you laurel live, since you're around it's a lot easier to work out and solve live rather than random shady pokes from far away
you have done nothing that identifies you as town imo, and some stuff that I read as scummy, if you want to try clear yourself then shading me and exaggerating how towny you should be seen as, is not the way
you have done nothing that identifies you as town imo, and some stuff that I read as scummy, if you want to try clear yourself then shading me and exaggerating how towny you should be seen as, is not the way
no - this has been misinterpreted by a few people (probably because i phrased it badly) and i think is the main reason laurel was stuck on me d1
at the beginning of the game i memed about neon being cleared by his claim (#596) because i crave approval in the form of reactions and then in #921 i agreed with celever that neon's role wasn't mechcanically clear, and I also said "I don't think neon is scum at all right now" but what I really meant was that I don't scumread him, not that I don't think he could be scum
i'll still* stand on the opinion that there's no read to be had on neon yet
*i'm on page 123 it is possible neon has made game content after this page and i would be very happy
well my perspective on the bpv thing is that if laurel is mafia then clouds most certainly is mafia because why would scum give town a BPV? I suppsose there's an argument for laurel trying to pocket clouds but it feels weak.
Laurel's D1 is nothing to write home about but I think in context of D2 laurel is ok. The one thing that I feel weird about is that he came with a solve of Celever/Clouds/Lowposter/Lowposter which I mindmelded with but then...why did he give Clouds the BPV if he was in that solve(I just realised this as I typed whoops)
How do you have so many probably towns?
If you add idk + can die you get the 4 scum slots but you don't seem to consider joey, a fairy or me as scum right now.
it was not particularly soft lol.
i don't think scum or town tommy has any reason to purposefully ignore that development i feel like he legitimately just didn't see it
yeah it's definitely wrong but I just had reasons for everyone so wanted to put it down on paper I'll be re evaluating
you're right it's not a good readslist which is what I ment by the "I'm pocketed" bit at the end
I mean I obviously saw laurel had given clouds a bpv I just didn't think it made him town
I can't help with that; I haven't played with most of you in 4 years XD
it's unlikely that mafia exclusively rolls inactive folk. usually, mafia will roll at least 1 or 2 people who have the ability to be active or the tendency to be. when that happens, the mafia who is able to be the most active often takes up that mantle. this means that the core group who spends the most time theorizing, debating, discussing, and pushing the game forward will almost always have at least one mafia playing along as one of them. i call this debate club, because most of the time they spend a lot of time on small points and theoreticals while solving. for some reason, celever has taken this approach and reinvented it as an oligarchy, and at least from the outside looking in appears to be claiming that debate club is in fact a mafia or two leading the town in bad directions, and other members of the debate club are unwittingly being strung along like puppets.
my position: yeah, that's fair. cel's argument style i have found changes between games, and im currently of the belief that those changes are connected to whether or not he's scum. his argument style is scum. the thing is, shane had the opportunity to high road it and take a much better argument style and look like he's interfacing with a bizarre celever theory but not stooping to the level of, which for some reason he didn't do. cel was never gonna look good holding onto oligarchy theory or at least defending his d1 theory that hard, but shane for some reason made himself look a lot worse fmpov by the way they responded in argument.
my eod1: i wanted to vote jalmont because of his vote hopping and "im above you all and won't actually participate" energy with the strange "vote me or else i won't acknowledge questions" approach he had. then he claimed vig and i couldn't justify voting a vig. i had thought that the celever wagon forming was a result of oligarchy theory so i couldn't comfortably join it, and there wasn't a ton of time left, so i pivoted to pulsar because i did agree with m2h's idea of "either pulsar really is 'barista' or they mixed up their real and safe claims as scum and are damage control mode" to some extent so i moved to pulsar
this was in response to shane going "down the line the face that you argued with me will be your undoing" - this isn't about today.
https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/smog-awards-2023-voting-round.3736806/
not responding to any mention abt me that didnt include a direct-to-me question, feel free to poke me if you wanted me to respond to a thought and i didn't
I'm a bit confused with this post, in the first paragraph you seem to be agreeing with celevers oligarchy or debate club w/e narrative
but in the second paragraph you seem to not really like how he's come up with the narrative? like are you on celevers side?
feels like you agree with celever while also saying he should be easy to bury so I don't get it
i meant laurel's hinting towards it before clouds revealed it
I didn't notice it anyways
[QUOTE="Alice Kazumi, post: 9991387]
I asked it because she seems in line with what you said about the way mafia can act on big ego fights.
She seems weirdly proactive sometimes like the no massclaim thing but goes with the wagons blindly? It can be she used the massclaim argument to make m2h presence weaker this game. I'd say it's working because m2h presence is actually weaker this game.
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[QUOTE="Duskfall98, post: 9991391]
no mass claim is just the correct play ftr, on an optimal mechanical gameplay perspective
in what way do you think she's making m2h presence weaker?
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i dont think you ever gave an answer to the first point which i was curious about aswell and was :( to see you didnt exactly respond
bruh