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NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)
- Thread starter charlieum
- Start date
good morning miss fairy 
do you wanna go into any more detail
no answer the first bit no, I would soft lightly once so I could refer back to it in the future maybe, but I'd do anything but try make it obvious/have them acknowledge it since it defeats the point in the bpv, and stops it actually preventing a kill
yeah I agree, I could probably believe one from old wave of claims and one from new wave of claims tbh
it did not take long for me to be bored at work
I have 3 points I want to raise, the first two are probably more important but the third is more interesting
1. JALMONT never claimed to have vigged saber, and I can't really tell if those who think he did are being disingenuous or ignorant. He has been very clear from the beginning of the day that if he had information that would help town, he would've revealed it. Knowing that mafia did not kill anyone is huge information that would help town - I guarantee he would've revealed that. Furthermore, he explicitly stated that during the night he developed a townread on saber. It's very clear from the way JALMONT is treating his challengers that he did not shoot anyone last night. I think genisu just didn't realize this, but M2H I feel like should've realized this ages ago and it raises my eyebrow that you are so insistent on thinking he might've vigged saber.
2. This one is specifically at genisu but it's good to be said in general. ROLES DO NOT CONFIRM SOMEONE AS TOWN. Reading you this morning was really frustrating because every single post you made huge assumptions that everyone who had claimed a role was town, and it doesn't seem like you're moving from that pov. It's been made clear that scum has safe fakeclaims. Some of the roles claimed so far could easily easily be mafia fakeclaims - for example Roleblocker is a very common mafia role, Alignment cop is trivial to fake as mafia as long as you know there's no 3p. I'm not suggesting that M2H or Clouds are mafia based off their roles, just that their roles do not confirm them as town - to make reads off of roles you have to look into how they used the roles rather than just what the roles are.
Before #3 I just want to very clearly state that I am against the current massclaim, but I will be claiming not as a part of that massclaim but because my role has become relevant.
3.
So - I was clearly not role blocked, despite M2H claiming to role block me. I didn't receive any message that I was roleblocked either. I'm very confused, because I don't see any reason for either town M2H or scum M2H to lie about that? Unless they were just trying to pressure me into claiming which, if so, good job I guess - you outed a valuable town role? Perhaps your role block was silently tinkered with, like by a bus drive or something? I don't really know what to make of this
I have 3 points I want to raise, the first two are probably more important but the third is more interesting
1. JALMONT never claimed to have vigged saber, and I can't really tell if those who think he did are being disingenuous or ignorant. He has been very clear from the beginning of the day that if he had information that would help town, he would've revealed it. Knowing that mafia did not kill anyone is huge information that would help town - I guarantee he would've revealed that. Furthermore, he explicitly stated that during the night he developed a townread on saber. It's very clear from the way JALMONT is treating his challengers that he did not shoot anyone last night. I think genisu just didn't realize this, but M2H I feel like should've realized this ages ago and it raises my eyebrow that you are so insistent on thinking he might've vigged saber.
2. This one is specifically at genisu but it's good to be said in general. ROLES DO NOT CONFIRM SOMEONE AS TOWN. Reading you this morning was really frustrating because every single post you made huge assumptions that everyone who had claimed a role was town, and it doesn't seem like you're moving from that pov. It's been made clear that scum has safe fakeclaims. Some of the roles claimed so far could easily easily be mafia fakeclaims - for example Roleblocker is a very common mafia role, Alignment cop is trivial to fake as mafia as long as you know there's no 3p. I'm not suggesting that M2H or Clouds are mafia based off their roles, just that their roles do not confirm them as town - to make reads off of roles you have to look into how they used the roles rather than just what the roles are.
Before #3 I just want to very clearly state that I am against the current massclaim, but I will be claiming not as a part of that massclaim but because my role has become relevant.
3.
This message was caused by my role. I am the "announcer" (though it is obviously different from what I would usually call announcer). Every night, my action reveals information about the setup. I do not know this information in advance.
So - I was clearly not role blocked, despite M2H claiming to role block me. I didn't receive any message that I was roleblocked either. I'm very confused, because I don't see any reason for either town M2H or scum M2H to lie about that? Unless they were just trying to pressure me into claiming which, if so, good job I guess - you outed a valuable town role? Perhaps your role block was silently tinkered with, like by a bus drive or something? I don't really know what to make of this
clouds claim didnt seem aligned but it's not impossible
calm it down with the insults please everyone is just trying their best to play the game
this is incredibly true lmao
Oh something that I wanted to point out but forgot to and that builds on this is that Clouds' claimed rolecop specifically leaves room for him to misclear an unlethal indie. He pointed this out himself, to hs credit, but the bolded doesn't even need the qualification this game. It makes it even more likely to be a safeclaim, but in turn that means nothing because town roles should be written like safeclaims too.
M2H Pressures Good Town Roles Into Claiming 2: Electric Boogaloojoey said:
interesting role. is it for sure a piece of information every night? surely there's an expiry date at some point because otherwise charlie would've had to have made like 12 pieces of potential info in case there were a bunch of blocked kills and no votes lol. or they're making the pieces of info up on the spot but I don't buy that
i buy charlie would prepare that much
I don't think this is something I want to clarify any further
cop getting bpv is a bit wild tbh, I'd actually have opened mass claim up there probably if I was in clouds position so that's fine probably
as long as mafia don't have a punish for shooting through a bpv I guess, in which case we are a bit fucked
why Shane and Alice?
I townread Shane off of late D1 and Alice was a null read so I figured having him get a read on her would be good.
Initial idea was M2H/Shane but thought that M2H would more likely be night killed so I went with Shane+ a null read