NOC Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Mafia - Explorers - Game Thread (Game Over!)

Alice I honestly have nothing to add. I already said my piece; she feels like a newbie struggling for reads, its not a strong townread but its better than whatever else is happening this game.
 
tbf I didn't give her EoD1 a consideration and maybe you're right about that. Its weird but I thought alice's EoD2 vote made sense as just self-pres, and maybbbee af's vote. I still think its weird to buy a doc claim easily of a guy who you're suspicious of.
 
i'm doing setup spec rn

you think we have a full doc and full rb? with genisu's flip? right now, i get the the sense that the theme of the game revolves around multiple ways to stop the mafia kill. what's the tradeoff of that? how is the mafia being compensated if we have so many ways to block a kill?
 
JALMONT said:
i'm doing setup spec rn

you think we have a full doc and full rb? with genisu's flip? right now, i get the the sense that the theme of the game revolves around multiple ways to stop the mafia kill. what's the tradeoff of that? how is the mafia being compensated if we have so many ways to block a kill?
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I highly doubt it, but also, you probably shouldn't have claimed restrictions to your vig during your night posts, because if the rb/doc are fakes/sus, they can just parrot your claim of restrictions saying that they wanted to hide that

But yes Rogue/Nexus/RB/Doc/Joat x 2/Martyr is way too many ways to screw over the mafia kill.
 
bluedoom said:
I highly doubt it, but also, you probably shouldn't have claimed restrictions to your vig during your night posts, because if the rb/doc are fakes/sus, they can just parrot your claim of restrictions saying that they wanted to hide that

But yes Rogue/Nexus/RB/Doc/Joat x 2/Martyr is way too many ways to screw over the mafia kill.
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i have first mover advantage though so i'm already more believable! tbh m2h is not looking good as im doing this analysis
 
I think the obvious solution would be for the nexus claim to be fake and the game is balanced around the town having very little disruption when the nexus is active but a little overtuned when its down

but idt im really interested in making decisions based on mech anymore.
 
StupidFlandrs48 said:
Go fuck yourself.
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this is why i don't understand you. everytime i open the thread you have it open and yet instead of trying to work with me you do this instead? ??

which is ofc very weird behavior just in terms of generally speaking (since you def would not be talking like that to me if this with a real game of mafia) and then just gameplaywise if you are town makes no sense. i'm looking for reasons to not vote people and you want to antagonize me?????

someone make it make sense
 
Town Barista (nighttalker) - filler role
Town Reverse Martyr - protection sort of n1 target: ???
Town Jack of all Trades - 1x commuter, 1x bg, 1x hook: limited protection, offensive, NO INFO no charges used
Town "Cop" only learns if someone can kill and there's a confirmed miller in the game (me) - info: DUSK CAN'T KILL
Town Conditional Vig - offensive

remaining roles:

Nexus - targeted joey, celever. self defensive, bad town role, very good mafia role. p much filler
Self-Watcher - limited info, no results, filler
Neighborizer - alice&shane, jalmont&clouds, filler
Doctor - flanders (lol), dusk, defensive
Dusk's Role - ???
Mayor - offensive i guess?. publically shown in VC, maybe best to just categorize as filler
Backup - defensive, town barista (let someone double talk)
Inventor - give abilities 1x BPV, 1x doubler, 1x action securer - limited protection, bpv to clouds d1, doubler to cloud d2, offensive 2x
Roleblocker - joey, flanders, offensive
Motion Detector -> MD that's watch if target goes nowhere -> Tracker that's watch if target goes nowhere -> Watcher, upgraded 2x, info
Public Setup Info Revealer - 13 town, there's a false investigative result player info (sort of) but seems like filler
Rogue (that works for all actions?) - me, joey, defensive, filler

i'm assuming charlie is a good host so it seems hard to believe there would be >1 filler role on the mafia. i guess we could have 2 but that would seem kinda unbalanced.


Nexus
Neighborizer
Self-Watcher
Mayor
Public Setup Info Revealer
Rogue
Backup - actually this is probably just a filler role since there's no agency as far as what role it gets

which leaves

Doctor- it's very weird the doctor doesn't have any limitations when all flipped roles show some kind of limitation. hence my belief this claim doesn't fit.
Inventor - pretty strong role even for 1x. this is also another joatish role.
RB - also very weird to have a RB without limitations but i guess the downside is that you can hook a town info role lul.
MD/track/watch - upgrading 2x is crazy after the night because now we can't trust Shane's results at all due to making shit up.

i mean surely just based on math we have to shoot laurel/cele here right? laurel is essentially vanilla. guess he can double joey lolz. i don't think we can off m2h. i'm not really sure about shane either...mathwise we prob just need to 2x in this group with the downside being welp we just voted someone that could save the game at night. in that aspect laurel is a pretty "safe" vote
 
Votals 3.3
(5) Laurel: Duskfall98, M2H, HydrogenHydreigon, JALMONT
(2) HydrogenHydreigon: Celever, StupidFlandrs48
(1) Alice Kazumi: Laurel
(1) Celever: Shane the Shroomish
(1) M2H: ImaginaryNeon

Voteless: a fairy, Alice Kazumi, bluedoom, joey

You have around 13 hours until phase end. With 13 alive, it takes 8 to hammer early.

Note: fixed the previous vc.

Also, this is a quick reminder to keep it civil. Thanks guys.
 
JALMONT confused at your recent posting wrt me when I reflected and changed my mind on you today for the most part. Especially the “I didn’t get killed because Celever is scum and disbelieved my big claim so my bait wrt shooting a fairy does nothing” because that doesn’t make sense anyway. Usually a vig will get their vig shot off before the factional kill gets them (not always but typically) so shooting you probably wouldn’t have saved a fairy either way. And I did believe the 0x vig thing even if it’s by far the most complicated role in the game (besides, apparently, Shane’s).

I also don’t understand your deal with “all the good roles have restrictions” because claims-wise only you and Shane have claimed to have integral restrictions. I have one restriction which is common for doctor and arguably just makes it the standard version of the role (ok second-most standard) and then the next closest thing to a restriction you can get is JOAT because it’s only one shots. There are reasons why you could case me and M2H as likely T/T and reasons why you could case us as likely T/S and I went into that today. I find the T/T case a bit likelier even if it’s difficult not to tinfoil M2H.

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Voting Laurel is fine because high above rand chance that he’s scum but to jump on @bluedoom’s point which is true, scum!Hydro with town!Neon is essentially meaning we lose at +2. If Hydro’s scum we are currently in MYLO. So we just need to be treating Laurel as the MYLO vote that he is at least in a 50/50 sense, and the fact that a lot of the game is skating over this when a couple people have stated it repeatedly is huge cause for concern.
 
People voting for Laurel should also be towncasing Hydro because voting Hydro is the safe play today. Laurel is secondary target and sadly this is still what my thought was going into the day so this day hasn’t changed anything.

Actually on the note of MYLO, if scum Hydro + town Neon wasn’t enough for you, Shane also doesn’t know how to vote for anyone other than me. So if Shane is town (and Neon is town, or if Hydro is scum) we lose at +2 anyway, because I’m town.

Basically Laurel is either scum or we have already lost.
 
Going for the vote that Hydro wants is def making me concerned for that reason, anyway.

M2H your read on Laurel trying to kill me all game for seemingly no reason potentially being a really long attempt at bussing me is valid, but doesn’t really fit the playstyle of either Laurel or me. Laurel doesn’t tend to bus his teammates when he’s scum, and when I’m scum I wouldn’t consent to a team mate actively pushing me all game. I’m not gonna say no to actively getting bussed if I’m already dying, but I wouldn’t have expected me to actually die early this game if I was scum with a doctor safeclaim.

Obviously it’s all hypotheticals and you’re not that familiar with either of our metas, but both Laurel and I have been scum a lot recently so people should be able to confirm this. And “actually nah actively try and get me killed all game” isn’t something I’d do to switch up my meta because I am way too prideful for that LOL

I think Laurel is just having a bad game. Like whether he’s town or scum he’s having a bad game lol
 
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