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  • ascriptmaster
    If you Mold Breaker Thunder Wave a Levitate mon in Misty Terrain or something, does it work?
    ascriptmaster
    ascriptmaster
    Also on the subject of Mold Breaker, what happens if a Mold Breaker mon gets dragged out by hitting a Red Card? Do Spikes activate on Levitate Pokemon in that case?
    Marty
    Marty
    Oh sorry, I answered on PS but you were gone already. Mold Breaker Thunder Wave on a Levitate Pokemon in Misty Terrain is blocked.

    For the Levitate thing, you mean what happens if the Mold Breaker Pokemon hits a Red Card and a Levitate Pokemon is dragged out? Since the Mold Breaker Pokemon is no longer active, Spikes do no damage.

    If a Mold Breaker Pokemon hits an Eject Button and a Levitate Pokemon comes out as the replacement, Spikes also do no damage.
    ascriptmaster
    If you taunt someone in the middle of Geomancy, are they still locked in to the move?
    Marty
    Marty
    Yes. (For the benefit of others since I already told you.)
    ascriptmaster
    Can Sleep Talk Belch happen ever?
    Marty
    Marty
    Oh I never finished my Sleep Talk tests for the descriptions! I got this far and then ORAS came out and I forgot all about it. http://hastebin.com/wujorepaja.txt

    Unfortunately in ORAS the move reminder and deleter aren't standing in the same house so it'll be even more annoying to finish these lists. :(
    ascriptmaster
    ascriptmaster
    So Belch is a no. Good to know.
    ascriptmaster
    Bulbapedia and Veekun both claim that Gravity lowers evasion by two stages, but our implementation increases Accuracy based on the effect of -2 evasion, and thus would theoretically be wrong if a Pokemon were at any nonzero evasion stage.

    Which one is the correct implementation?
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    ascriptmaster
    ascriptmaster
    Ok, so the effect of a -2 evasion (aka 5/3 in accuracy) but not actually doing anything to stat stages. I thought someone with -1 would have effectively -3 or something (and we now have ModifyBoost to deal with things like that)
    ascriptmaster
    ascriptmaster
    Kind of like how Foresight can have it so that someone might have +6 evasion, but it's treated as 0.
    Marty
    Marty
    Funnily enough, that was actually the original implementation on PS before I fixed all the Gravity effects (so it was possible to be at -8 evasiveness which was obviously very wrong).
    ascriptmaster
    Do Spikes, Toxic Spikes, and Sticky Web check groundedness, or Ground immunity?
    Marty
    Marty
    Groundedness. I first thought Inverse Battles were the first time this could have been verified, but Ring Target existed in Gen 5. Of course, this only applies to Flying types since every other Ground immunity-removing effect actually grounds you.
    ascriptmaster
    Do Terrain effects activate on Pokemon in the middle of Dive, Dig, Phantom Force, or Shadow Force?
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    ascriptmaster
    ascriptmaster
    Bulbapedia seriously needs better fact checking then...
    Marty
    Marty
    What do you mean? It says they affect Pokemon "on the ground and not in the semi-invulnerable turn of a move" for all three Terrains.
    ascriptmaster
    ascriptmaster
    Oh, I misread your comment. Sorry!
    ascriptmaster
    Pokemon is repeatedly using a move while holding the Metronome. Magic Room activates. When Magic Room fades, what happens to the Metronome counter?
    Marty
    Marty
    The counter goes up regardless of the item being ignored, whether it starts being ignored before or during the consecutive uses.
    Marty
    Marty
    In fact, the item isn't the thing keeping count at all. Tricking a Metronome to something that has used a move repeatedly starts the next one at whatever power it would have had if it was holding Metronome the whole time.
    ascriptmaster
    Cloud Nine Golduck uses Rain Dance during Harsh Sun/Heavy Rain/Strong Wind. What happens?
    Marty
    Marty
    It fails due to the extreme weather. The Abilities are what keeps them active, after all (Mold Breaker doesn't ignore them either, though).
    ascriptmaster
    ascriptmaster
    All right then. What about Castform vs Cloud Nine? Will it revert to normal if Sun or something is suppressed?
    Marty
    Marty
    Yeah Castform and Cherrim revert while a Cloud Nine user is active. That's already implemented properly last time I checked.
    BKC
    fsr I can't post in the thread on phone so: the healing wish / lunar dance thing is still incorrectly implemented on smogtours (I used a ld cress in week 9 of tour) which is why I assumed it wasn't functional
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    Marty
    Marty
    No problem! It's weird if SmogTours doesn't have it, it should be using the latest code. I'll see about bugging someone to fix that. Also the Outrage thing will be fixed next update (on the main server at least)!
    Marty
    Marty
    Oh I found the replay you were talking about. No idea why it didn't work last month, but it does work on SmogTours now.
    BKC
    BKC
    awesome, thanks!
    Pocket
    Marty D thanks for the clarification about the pledge combo mechanics. May you still confirm whether the typing determination of this combo is bugged on PS! or not? As I posted on the bugs thread:

    Fire + Grass -> Fire-type
    Fire + Water -> Water-type
    Grass + Water -> Grass-type

    the order in which it happens is irrelevant. Is this true / Is PS bugged, or is this all just misinformation?
    Marty
    Marty
    Yeah, that's true. Also the combo is used by the second Pokemon to move and always has STAB no matter what the user's type is (even if neither Pokemon has one of the combo types). The tests done on Pledge moves in BW were misleading and led to that implementation, but they do actually have the same mechanics as in XY. The more you know!
    Pocket
    Pocket
    wow okay - thanks for the clarification! Is it also true that these pledge combos ignore defensive boosts and resistances? Does this mean that they ignore offensive boosts (including item boosts) and super effective damage, too? What about immunities from Flash Fire, Storm Drain, Sap Sipper?
    Marty
    Marty
    Nope, the combos don't ignore any of that stuff. For the most part they act like any standard move (besides the STAB thing). However, Water Pledge can't be redirected by Storm Drain, comboed or not (the Storm Drain Pokemon will still be immune and get the boost if you did target it though).
    Arcticblast
    Are you still planning on exploring the whole "airborne" thing? You mentioned it when I brought up Spikes in Inverse. I'll have WiFi for the next three weeks so if you do I'd love to help out~ also I need to redeem myself for my screwup ._.
    Marty
    Marty
    That was pretty much the extent of it, actually. Being airborne and being immune to Ground are related but different; you can negate the Ground immunity without actually being grounded, but you can't be grounded and immune to Ground.
    Marty
    Marty
    This really only applies to Flying-types anyway (Ring Target, and now Inverse Battles) because you can't negate Ground immunity from Levitate or other such effects without fully grounding the Pokemon (Mold Breaker doesn't count).
    Marty i need help i was on showdown and i got banned by someone saying "doesn't seem like a good user" all i said was can anyone challenge my CAP team i need to test, i really enjoy showdown and would never purposly do anything wrong please help, you was only admin online who saw it ill apply to but i just need to ask
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