Pipotchi
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  • I tried contrary (no toxic) and it was really good against Defog teams, but onPO +1 Gene iron head ohkos calm and Keldeo ohkos with hydro pump if impish so its been really hard for me cuz a ohko losses momentum even if the team can function its still one mon down doing nothing. i think xontrary would work better on PS and notPB or PO where Gene is still legal
    Pipotchi
    Pipotchi
    i always run spd shuckle too because of keldeo tho because shuckle avoids the ohko from the most powerful physical attackers (for instance stone edge m tyranitar) with no invest :p
    Shurtugal
    Shurtugal
    yeah like even with no toxic infestation damage is super underrated it just piles up and roost is a joke because you get both hazards up + switch to mandi counter. if they don't roost and start defogging you get like 3-4 guaranteed evasion boosts and you just spam Infestation (unless RHelmet then you just let chip damage do its thing).
    Shurtugal
    Shurtugal
    yeah i get mad when ppl dont try out things I like (aka Starmie and Smeargle) so I wanted to try Contrary and it works quite well I must say. Once PO bans Gene Contrary will be superior imo if only because Sturdy will lose most (crits and that slim chance of OHKO vs. calm with Keldeo) of its niche.
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