STAB STABmons

Haven't seen rotom-wash :rotom-wash: in a while. Any suggestions on how to counter them?

Embarrassing Battle ^^"
I know ground types exist but water shuriken also exists (then maybe banning Water shuriken wouldn't be a bad idea..)

Edit: Swapped gengar:gengar: with latios:latios: and changed kleavor:kleavor: with zarude:zarude:. Surprisingly was now able to find a way to take it down while not losing much against others (other than bug types but that's a story for another day ^^")
 
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stabmons open is going on, ompl starts soon.

let the creativity of STABmons flourish, I am going to do my part and hope others will take the same leap and share their opinions to prepare for a competitive OMPL. I apology due to lack of time not making this post more pretty.

finished teams
https://pokepast.es/2fe3410546200d6d
https://pokepast.es/b5f2779ddd3d3b65
https://pokepast.es/8004854ca993037f
https://pokepast.es/fbcdc5a439e0bda3
https://pokepast.es/dd3b2bec26882616
https://pokepast.es/a4a107a33c837f52
https://pokepast.es/95c56e37e5d8446b
https://pokepast.es/79807ce46fffa48b

ideas
https://pokepast.es/8bf7cf30a5a1a060
https://pokepast.es/b1f0a6b39b01f8dd
https://pokepast.es/27fb0c7775948a7a
https://pokepast.es/1d296a39edd11afb
:grassy seed: :gholdengo:
:Choice Scarf: :Sneasler:
:Indeedee: offense
:suicune: + :corviknight:
:raging bolt: Sun with Solar Beam

https://tiermaker.com/create/stabmons-viability-rankings-17571346
big thanks to Slither Wing for making the vr, I hope others can share their version. I didn't play to long this tier to be comfortable to give a proper ranking but you can see my tendencies in the teams. While they don't cover my whole opinion they include mons you might see in my teams more than in others for now.
Final note:
Looking at Gen 7, 8, 9 and to some degree Gen 6 and helped me come up with new Structures for Teams. Maybe this can help you as well

See you at OMPL
 
STABmons Open 2025 replay/usage
Code:
+ ---- + -------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| Rank | Pokemon              | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + -------------------- + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Landorus-Therian     |   61 |  40.40% |  57.38% |
| 2    | Gholdengo            |   61 |  40.40% |  57.38% |
| 3    | Toxapex              |   53 |  35.10% |  58.49% |
| 4    | Zamazenta            |   36 |  23.84% |  47.22% |
| 5    | Ting-Lu              |   35 |  23.18% |  51.43% |
| 6    | Iron Valiant         |   34 |  22.52% |  55.88% |
| 7    | Rotom-Wash           |   34 |  22.52% |  47.06% |
| 8    | Ogerpon-Cornerstone  |   33 |  21.85% |  54.55% |
| 9    | Walking Wake         |   29 |  19.21% |  58.62% |
| 10   | Kingambit            |   29 |  19.21% |  51.72% |
| 11   | Raging Bolt          |   29 |  19.21% |  55.17% |
| 12   | Corviknight          |   23 |  15.23% |  39.13% |
| 13   | Latios               |   22 |  14.57% |  63.64% |
| 14   | Meloetta             |   21 |  13.91% |  57.14% |
| 15   | Great Tusk           |   18 |  11.92% |  55.56% |
| 16   | Tyranitar            |   18 |  11.92% |  50.00% |
| 17   | Thundurus-Therian    |   18 |  11.92% |  50.00% |
| 18   | Volcanion            |   17 |  11.26% |  41.18% |
| 19   | Sylveon              |   16 |  10.60% |  43.75% |
| 20   | Weavile              |   16 |  10.60% |  50.00% |
| 21   | Volcarona            |   14 |   9.27% |  71.43% |
| 22   | Slowking             |   13 |   8.61% |  61.54% |
| 23   | Iron Moth            |   13 |   8.61% |  53.85% |
| 24   | Rillaboom            |   13 |   8.61% |  61.54% |
| 25   | Samurott-Hisui       |   13 |   8.61% |  46.15% |
| 26   | Darkrai              |   12 |   7.95% |  41.67% |
| 27   | Zapdos               |    9 |   5.96% |  66.67% |
| 28   | Skarmory             |    8 |   5.30% |  75.00% |
| 29   | Primarina            |    8 |   5.30% |  50.00% |
| 30   | Clodsire             |    8 |   5.30% |  75.00% |
| 31   | Gliscor              |    7 |   4.64% |  28.57% |
| 32   | Scizor               |    7 |   4.64% |  14.29% |
| 33   | Heatran              |    6 |   3.97% |  83.33% |
| 34   | Cloyster             |    6 |   3.97% |  16.67% |
| 35   | Salamence            |    6 |   3.97% |   0.00% |
| 36   | Pecharunt            |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 37   | Clefable             |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 38   | Blissey              |    5 |   3.31% |  60.00% |
| 39   | Hydrapple            |    5 |   3.31% |  20.00% |
| 40   | Hatterene            |    5 |   3.31% |  60.00% |
| 41   | Deoxys-Speed         |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 42   | Urshifu              |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 43   | Excadrill            |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 44   | Magnezone            |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 45   | Weezing-Galar        |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 46   | Archaludon           |    4 |   2.65% |  75.00% |
| 47   | Torkoal              |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 48   | Okidogi              |    4 |   2.65% |  25.00% |
| 49   | Basculegion-F        |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 50   | Kommo-o              |    3 |   1.99% |  66.67% |
| 51   | Incineroar           |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 52   | Iron Boulder         |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 53   | Iron Treads          |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 54   | Slowking-Galar       |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 55   | Moltres              |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 56   | Mamoswine            |    3 |   1.99% |  66.67% |
| 57   | Blaziken             |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 58   | Iron Crown           |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 59   | Scovillain           |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 60   | Slither Wing         |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 61   | Iron Hands           |    2 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 62   | Chansey              |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 63   | Sneasler             |    2 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 64   | Glastrier            |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 65   | Latias               |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 66   | Ninetales-Alola      |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 67   | Thundurus            |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 68   | Moltres-Galar        |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 69   | Goodra-Hisui         |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 70   | Lilligant-Hisui      |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 71   | Amoonguss            |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 72   | Palafin              |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 73   | Greninja             |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 74   | Meowscarada          |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 75   | Ninetales            |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 76   | Tornadus-Therian     |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 77   | Bisharp              |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 78   | Torterra             |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 79   | Cyclizar             |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 80   | Ogerpon              |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 81   | Urshifu-Rapid-Strike |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 82   | Zapdos-Galar         |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 83   | Keldeo               |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 84   | Zarude               |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 85   | Mimikyu              |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 86   | Alomomola            |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 87   | Skeledirge           |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 88   | Barraskewda          |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 89   | Pelipper             |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 90   | Umbreon              |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 91   | Keldeo-Resolute      |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 92   | Heracross            |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 93   | Jolteon              |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 94   | Quaquaval            |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 95   | Tinkaton             |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 96   | Vikavolt             |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 97   | Talonflame           |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 98   | Forretress           |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 99   | Annihilape           |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 100  | Politoed             |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 101  | Regidrago            |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 102  | Rotom-Mow            |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 103  | Sableye              |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 104  | Tatsugiri-Droopy     |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 105  | Comfey               |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 106  | Sandy Shocks         |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 107  | Whimsicott           |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 108  | Garganacl            |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 109  | Cobalion             |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 110  | Grimmsnarl           |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
Compiled replays, 77 games posted - https://pokepast.es/b15fd1864a3b0804

General Move Usage below
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| Rank | Move               | Use  | Usage % |  Win %  |
+ ---- + ------------------ + ---- + ------- + ------- +
| 1    | Knock Off          |   77 |  50.99% |  55.84% |
| 2    | Flip Turn          |   67 |  44.37% |  55.22% |
| 3    | Stealth Rock       |   58 |  38.41% |  58.62% |
| 4    | Swords Dance       |   54 |  35.76% |  48.15% |
| 5    | Mortal Spin        |   52 |  34.44% |  59.62% |
| 6    | U-turn             |   50 |  33.11% |  58.00% |
| 7    | Shore Up           |   47 |  31.13% |  53.19% |
| 8    | Torch Song         |   47 |  31.13% |  57.45% |
| 9    | Clanging Scales    |   43 |  28.48% |  53.49% |
| 10   | Steam Eruption     |   38 |  25.17% |  71.05% |
| 11   | Stone Axe          |   38 |  25.17% |  55.26% |
| 12   | Beak Blast         |   38 |  25.17% |  57.89% |
| 13   | Combat Torque      |   37 |  24.50% |  59.46% |
| 14   | Water Shuriken     |   36 |  23.84% |  38.89% |
| 15   | Nasty Plot         |   36 |  23.84% |  41.67% |
| 16   | Moongeist Beam     |   35 |  23.18% |  54.29% |
| 17   | Roost              |   33 |  21.85% |  45.45% |
| 18   | Scald              |   32 |  21.19% |  46.88% |
| 19   | Electro Drift      |   32 |  21.19% |  62.50% |
| 20   | Dragon Ascent      |   31 |  20.53% |  54.84% |
| 21   | Spikes             |   31 |  20.53% |  51.61% |
| 22   | Burning Bulwark    |   31 |  20.53% |  54.84% |
| 23   | Parting Shot       |   31 |  20.53% |  51.61% |
| 24   | Boomburst          |   27 |  17.88% |  48.15% |
| 25   | Rapid Spin         |   27 |  17.88% |  55.56% |
| 26   | Precipice Blades   |   25 |  16.56% |  56.00% |
| 27   | Substitute         |   24 |  15.89% |  45.83% |
| 28   | Recover            |   24 |  15.89% |  37.50% |
| 29   | Headlong Rush      |   23 |  15.23% |  43.48% |
| 30   | Earthquake         |   23 |  15.23% |  52.17% |
| 31   | Tachyon Cutter     |   22 |  14.57% |  50.00% |
| 32   | Moonblast          |   20 |  13.25% |  40.00% |
| 33   | Bulk Up            |   18 |  11.92% |  55.56% |
| 34   | Crunch             |   18 |  11.92% |  50.00% |
| 35   | Magical Torque     |   18 |  11.92% |  55.56% |
| 36   | Trick              |   18 |  11.92% |  61.11% |
| 37   | Malignant Chain    |   17 |  11.26% |  64.71% |
| 38   | Calm Mind          |   17 |  11.26% |  52.94% |
| 39   | Thunderclap        |   17 |  11.26% |  35.29% |
| 40   | Sucker Punch       |   16 |  10.60% |  50.00% |
| 41   | Taunt              |   16 |  10.60% |  50.00% |
| 42   | Lumina Crash       |   15 |   9.93% |  53.33% |
| 43   | Power Whip         |   15 |   9.93% |  53.33% |
| 44   | Parabolic Charge   |   15 |   9.93% |  46.67% |
| 45   | Defog              |   15 |   9.93% |  53.33% |
| 46   | Body Press         |   14 |   9.27% |  42.86% |
| 47   | Glacial Lance      |   13 |   8.61% |  46.15% |
| 48   | Volt Switch        |   13 |   8.61% |  30.77% |
| 49   | Fiery Wrath        |   13 |   8.61% |  46.15% |
| 50   | Earth Power        |   13 |   8.61% |  38.46% |
| 51   | Focus Blast        |   13 |   8.61% |  53.85% |
| 52   | Take Heart         |   12 |   7.95% |  33.33% |
| 53   | Sacred Fire        |   12 |   7.95% |  66.67% |
| 54   | Salt Cure          |   12 |   7.95% |  58.33% |
| 55   | Grav Apple         |   12 |   7.95% |  50.00% |
| 56   | Strength Sap       |   11 |   7.28% |  54.55% |
| 57   | Esper Wing         |   11 |   7.28% |  45.45% |
| 58   | Ceaseless Edge     |   11 |   7.28% |  45.45% |
| 59   | Low Kick           |   11 |   7.28% |  63.64% |
| 60   | Jet Punch          |   10 |   6.62% |  50.00% |
| 61   | Aeroblast          |   10 |   6.62% |  60.00% |
| 62   | Thunderous Kick    |    9 |   5.96% |  22.22% |
| 63   | Bullet Punch       |    9 |   5.96% |  11.11% |
| 64   | Diamond Storm      |    9 |   5.96% |  55.56% |
| 65   | Glare              |    8 |   5.30% |  25.00% |
| 66   | Shell Smash        |    8 |   5.30% |  25.00% |
| 67   | Spacial Rend       |    8 |   5.30% |  75.00% |
| 68   | Destiny Bond       |    8 |   5.30% |  37.50% |
| 69   | Will-O-Wisp        |    8 |   5.30% |  37.50% |
| 70   | Clear Smog         |    7 |   4.64% |  42.86% |
| 71   | Infernal Parade    |    7 |   4.64% |  42.86% |
| 72   | Moonlight          |    7 |   4.64% |  57.14% |
| 73   | Sludge Bomb        |    7 |   4.64% |  42.86% |
| 74   | Psyshock           |    7 |   4.64% |  28.57% |
| 75   | Sticky Web         |    7 |   4.64% |  28.57% |
| 76   | Psychic Noise      |    7 |   4.64% |  42.86% |
| 77   | Pyro Ball          |    7 |   4.64% |  42.86% |
| 78   | Ivy Cudgel         |    6 |   3.97% |  50.00% |
| 79   | Encore             |    6 |   3.97% |  66.67% |
| 80   | Thunderbolt        |    6 |   3.97% |  66.67% |
| 81   | Psystrike          |    6 |   3.97% |  50.00% |
| 82   | Dragon Darts       |    6 |   3.97% |   0.00% |
| 83   | Ice Beam           |    6 |   3.97% |  50.00% |
| 84   | Seed Flare         |    6 |   3.97% |  33.33% |
| 85   | Matcha Gotcha      |    6 |   3.97% |  16.67% |
| 86   | Quiver Dance       |    6 |   3.97% |  50.00% |
| 87   | Stone Edge         |    6 |   3.97% |  50.00% |
| 88   | Shadow Ball        |    6 |   3.97% |  66.67% |
| 89   | Toxic Spikes       |    6 |   3.97% |  83.33% |
| 90   | Milk Drink         |    6 |   3.97% |  66.67% |
| 91   | Surging Strikes    |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 92   | Iron Defense       |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 93   | Whirlwind          |    5 |   3.31% |  60.00% |
| 94   | Discharge          |    5 |   3.31% |  80.00% |
| 95   | Make It Rain       |    5 |   3.31% |  80.00% |
| 96   | Psychic            |    5 |   3.31% |  80.00% |
| 97   | Bitter Blade       |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 98   | Zen Headbutt       |    5 |   3.31% |  20.00% |
| 99   | Memento            |    5 |   3.31% |  20.00% |
| 100  | Giga Drain         |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 101  | Noxious Torque     |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 102  | Ice Punch          |    5 |   3.31% |  40.00% |
| 103  | Soft-Boiled        |    4 |   2.65% |  75.00% |
| 104  | Sunsteel Strike    |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 105  | Grassy Glide       |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 106  | Light Screen       |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 107  | Reflect            |    4 |   2.65% |  75.00% |
| 108  | Future Sight       |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 109  | Icicle Spear       |    4 |   2.65% |  25.00% |
| 110  | Bug Buzz           |    4 |   2.65% |  25.00% |
| 111  | Ice Shard          |    4 |   2.65% |  25.00% |
| 112  | Protect            |    4 |   2.65% |  50.00% |
| 113  | Dynamax Cannon     |    4 |   2.65% |  25.00% |
| 114  | Hydro Steam        |    4 |   2.65% |  25.00% |
| 115  | Healing Wish       |    3 |   1.99% | 100.00% |
| 116  | High Horsepower    |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 117  | Whirlpool          |    3 |   1.99% | 100.00% |
| 118  | Hurricane          |    3 |   1.99% |  66.67% |
| 119  | Fickle Beam        |    3 |   1.99% |  66.67% |
| 120  | Dragon Dance       |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 121  | Flamethrower       |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 122  | Pin Missile        |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 123  | Ice Spinner        |    3 |   1.99% |   0.00% |
| 124  | Eruption           |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 125  | Drain Punch        |    3 |   1.99% |  66.67% |
| 126  | Judgment           |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 127  | Close Combat       |    3 |   1.99% | 100.00% |
| 128  | Teleport           |    3 |   1.99% |  66.67% |
| 129  | Corrosive Gas      |    3 |   1.99% |  66.67% |
| 130  | First Impression   |    3 |   1.99% |  33.33% |
| 131  | Ruination          |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 132  | Water Spout        |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 133  | Toxic              |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 134  | Freeze-Dry         |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 135  | Aurora Veil        |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 136  | Seismic Toss       |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 137  | Bolt Strike        |    2 |   1.32% | 100.00% |
| 138  | Thunder Wave       |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 139  | Psychic Fangs      |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 140  | Court Change       |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 141  | Air Slash          |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 142  | Tail Glow          |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 143  | Energy Ball        |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 144  | Draining Kiss      |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 145  | Thunder Cage       |    2 |   1.32% |   0.00% |
| 146  | Lunar Dance        |    2 |   1.32% |  50.00% |
| 147  | Mach Punch         |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 148  | Psycho Boost       |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 149  | Dazzling Gleam     |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 150  | Fleur Cannon       |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 151  | Throat Chop        |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 152  | Chilly Reception   |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 153  | Circle Throw       |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 154  | Steel Beam         |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 155  | Kowtow Cleave      |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 156  | Fusion Bolt        |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 157  | Grass Knot         |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 158  | Nuzzle             |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 159  | Brave Bird         |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 160  | Doom Desire        |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 161  | Mighty Cleave      |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 162  | Armor Cannon       |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 163  | Solar Blade        |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 164  | Wish               |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 165  | Slack Off          |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 166  | Draco Meteor       |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 167  | Haze               |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 168  | Secret Sword       |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 169  | Gigaton Hammer     |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 170  | Trick Room         |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 171  | Upper Hand         |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 172  | Belly Drum         |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 173  | Growth             |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 174  | Spirit Shackle     |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 175  | Switcheroo         |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 176  | Mystical Fire      |    1 |   0.66% | 100.00% |
| 177  | Cotton Guard       |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
| 178  | Stomping Tantrum   |    1 |   0.66% |   0.00% |
 
STABmons June Tiering Slate.

TLDR: Water Shuriken, and Combat Torque gone, Manaphy, and Aqauanid are back.

Hey all. With OMPL's first few weeks underway, and recent discussion within the community, we saw it necessary to look over problematic moves in the metagame that have since been long overdue for taking some form of action on.

The first of which is Water Shuriken, this move has been in question for a long, long time, but always teetered the line between the community's overall reception of the move.
As of recent though, outcry against the move has grown far greater in recent times. With many of the other concerns now out of the way, we thought it was fit to come to a verdict on this move.
Water Shuriken
NeonRestrict
xdRudi.exeDNR
RoFnADNR
BonkRestrict
KineticRestrict

As a result of recent voting. Water Shuriken is now Restricted in the STABmons metagame!
Water Shuriken has been highlighted as a problem for a very long time now, but as the metagame continued on, its become increasingly more apparent that this move causes far more harm than good to the health of the metagame. Having gotten two prior Pokemon banned entirely because of the move, and Rotom Wash, and Volcanion only getting better and better at abusing the move with no signs of stopping due to how easy it is for them to win games off of a single turn thanks to Water Shuriken's increased priority making revenge KOing them by the time they've gotten to take advantage of their set up options far easier said than done. This has given almost every Water Shuriken user a very suffocating presence against more offensively inclined teams, to say nothing of how difficult it is for balance teams to switch into the Water Shuriken users to begin with. As such, it has been decided that Water Shuriken is to be restricted to its native users in order to combat its effect on the metagame.

Speaking of combat...
Combat Torque
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xdRudi.exeRestrict
RoFnARestrict
BonkRestrict
KineticRestrict

Wow. Who could've possibly guessed that the no contact, 100 BP STAB Fighting move with the same chance to inflict a status that can shut down otherwise solid checks entirely on its own would be a tad bit too good? A lot of players will point towards Zamazenta being the main culprit, but this is far from the case. There's very good reason every, and any relevant Fighting type in the tier abuses this move to hell and back. Iron Hands, Iron Valiant, Annihilape, Urshifu Rapid Strike, Galarian Zapdos, Great Tusk, and Blaziken have been abusers of this move to dizzying effect, many of them winning the game off of a single bad Paralysis. As if it wasn't enough these Pokemon didn't have incredible tools to capitalize off of one bad turn already, Combat Torque easily allows them to set those up themselves without even having to make any other effort besides "Click big button you're probably clicking anyway". This is all without mentioning the ability to bypass contact effects naturally to prevent stopgaps like Beak Blast, and Burning Bulwark from consistently staving them off, which is especially pertinent in the case of Zamazenta, who abuses it with Bulk Up to effectively remove Beak Blast users as a means of checking it entirely. As such, because of the problem it posed with multiple different Pokemon, it has been decided by unanimous council vote, Combat Torque is now restricted in the STABmons metagame.

There's just one more thing to square away before signing off, and that's the Pokemon that have been unbanned as a result of Water Shuriken's restriction.

As many are aware, there are two particular Pokemon that got banned a while ago due to the absurd effects Water Shuriken had on them: Manaphy, and Araquanid. As such, with Water Shuriken being restricted, the council saw it fit to vote on both of them returning to the metagame.

Manaphy
NeonUnban
xdRudi.exeUnban
RoFnAUnban
BonkUnban
KineticUnban

Araquanid
NeonUnban
xdRudi.exeUnban
RoFnAUnban
BonkUnban
KineticUnban

As decided by unanimous council vote, Manaphy and Araquanid have been unbanned from the STABmons metagame!

Thank you for taking the time to look over this update. I understand some of these tiering actions have been a long time coming, and for that, I do apologize. Any tiering issues shall be tackled more aggressively in the near future, and we will be continuing to monitor input from the community on the tier's direction in the near future.

Tagging dhelmise for implementation.​
 
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The OP states that Silvally is able to learn every Stabmons-legal move of every type (because it has every type available via RKS System forms) thusly got banned, which I can see why as it’s like Smeargle but with actual stats. A fair ban imo.

However, the banlist wasn’t indicating that right away though, which I found in both Smogon Strategy site and the OP of here. Wouldn’t hurt to include Silvally in the banlist so it’s consistent with what the Forme Type Changes said.

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However, the banlist wasn’t indicating that right away though, which I found in both Smogon Strategy site and the OP of here. Wouldn’t hurt to include Silvally in the banlist so it’s consistent with what the Forme Type Changes said.
silvally isnt in gen 9, the forme types blurb is just taken from previous gen's stab threads. kinda hard to ban something that isnt even useable
 
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