Oldgen councils obviously don't have the same activity expectations as any current gen council, but they still come in handy precisely for stuff like this and whenever the community wanna discuss other elements e.g Volcarona, Manaphy, Mega Sableye etc. as you mentioned above. Renewing council members shouldn't be a harder process than having a discussion with current council and OGC leadership, at least imo. That's pretty much all I can say on that matter, as I'm not in charge of tiering and have basically zero influence in establishing oldgen councilsSo yeah, our council is not really existing, but at the same time, we do not really need one. Council members don't really do anything and the process of changing them is probably just not worth. However, we do need to ban these. I'll tag Hiro' to get his thoughts and I'll also tag Poek since I had a convo with him recently where he agreed to ban these