Suspect tests happen during tournaments all the time. It’s just retests I don’t like to have overlap due to the ladder being different than the actual metagame.
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Will there becs qualified discussion thread for this suspect test? As someone who isn't good enough at the game yet to get reqs I've found the qualified discussion threads educational and informative.
Can we bring back OU Player of the Week?
Never been super fond of this project personally, but maybe if there is a committee host and other mods want it.
This is a great question and a lot of people supported Tournament Reqs returning back in a PR thread on the suspect process earlier this generation actually.
The long story short is that we received a lot of complaints about tournament reqs not being fair.
The long story longer is: As for team tournaments…people were upset that it wasn’t “equal” footing. While it’s easy to explain this away as a “skill issue” for SCL or SPL as most folks can eventually prove themselves enough to be picked, a lot of people were upset a tournament like WCoP, where certain people were stuck in qualifiers or others were blocked due to bloated regions, could qualify people. I don’t personally think this should be a barrier honestly.
Another big argument was the timeline. If a suspect happened in May or June, which is before WCOP is over, then someone who played SPL in January and/or February, but not touched the metagame since, could qualify while non-SPL players would need to engage with the current metagame. They felt that it didn’t sufficiently qualify people to make current metagame decisions. I personally think this is fair, but ultimately feel a middleground where the some sort of time restriction/common sense can be applied tbh.
I don’t think champions is going to become the main format, but that decision is not up to me and I will go with whatever tiering admins/PS and site ownership dictate there
Finchinator, given the scores for both competitiveness and enjoyment in the October survey declined compared to the survey in May, moreso for enjoyment than competitiveness, do you have plans to include in the upcoming OU Tiering Survey a question asking the playerbase whether there are too many threats in the meta?
Many people complained during the Palafin suspect there were too many threats, and that's the main reason Palafin stayed banned by a huge margin on top of being something I thought was cancerous for the meta in its effect on the builder, and the only thing that has changed since then is the ban on Roaring Moon, so if players thought there were too many threats during the Palafin suspect, they may still believe that now.
If many of said players thought threat saturation was a problem back then, they may feel the same way now even if no one Pokemon stands out as broken. While Screens HO itself may not be broken, prepping for it as well as other strong offense archetypes right now and balance can be challenging due to how Screens HO amplifies the threat level of everything on the team, making already tough mons to check harder to check.
That's why the following question: "Do you believe the current meta has too many threats to reasonably prep for?" may be a good question to ask on the next OU Tiering Survey as even if no one Pokemon stands out as being broken, there may be plenty of people who think the issue with the tier is one or more of Dragonite, Kyurem, Ogerpon-Wellspring, Screens, or Tera Blast but with there being no consensus on what should be done.
Many people complained during the Palafin suspect there were too many threats, and that's the main reason Palafin stayed banned by a huge margin on top of being something I thought was cancerous for the meta in its effect on the builder, and the only thing that has changed since then is the ban on Roaring Moon, so if players thought there were too many threats during the Palafin suspect, they may still believe that now.
If many of said players thought threat saturation was a problem back then, they may feel the same way now even if no one Pokemon stands out as broken. While Screens HO itself may not be broken, prepping for it as well as other strong offense archetypes right now and balance can be challenging due to how Screens HO amplifies the threat level of everything on the team, making already tough mons to check harder to check.
That's why the following question: "Do you believe the current meta has too many threats to reasonably prep for?" may be a good question to ask on the next OU Tiering Survey as even if no one Pokemon stands out as being broken, there may be plenty of people who think the issue with the tier is one or more of Dragonite, Kyurem, Ogerpon-Wellspring, Screens, or Tera Blast but with there being no consensus on what should be done.
No, the answer to this can be implied from both the competitiveness and individual Pokemon scores. The question itself is irrelevant — you don’t just ban things due to saturation of threats. You ban whatever itself is banworthy.
In addition, you fail to note that the numbers are still well above average and among the highest all generation. Being lower than the literal peak of the last 18 months doesn’t mean much if it’s still within the top 2-3 scores. You can phrase it however you wish for the sake of your narrative, but context matters big time.
Palafin was banned because it was broken, noting more or less than this. People complain about too many threats in some threads, but they also complain about a lack of options and limited resources in others. None of this really means anything in tiering. We look at what is broken, not any of this.
The issue is STABs are still walled by Gholdengo and without CB it can be Regenerator scouted around. It also provides no defensive value aside from being a Ground immunity when Ruination and Ice Spinner chip it + it’s a Dark resist that Kingambit can still Tera around or beat after minimal chip.
With your metagame expertise, How do you feel about this thing? Do you have any explanation to why it has minimal results despite being very strong on paper with alot of tools and a good mu into alot of the tier's top mons?
Just think lack of fit + other strong Pokemon having a more consistent presence makes Zapdos-Galar subpar sadly. May be viable, but fringe at best.