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Do you think making "don't ban tera" actual Smogon policy encourages or discourages a Tera Blast suspect in OU?
I think it is going to make no difference in terms of the tier itself, but may swing the attention of some people to the topic. I cannot predict attitudes too well I must admit, but I do not see it as a big mover. Support was lower than expected last survey, especially from qualified and SPL caliber responses, but it will remain on the radar for now.
 
Pretty cringe considering I actually did talk about the tier at the end of the post + this is the thread where people are actually going to talk about the decision most because there was never given a dedicated thread for people to discuss this lol
I undeleted this post. It feels like most of it isn’t fit for the thread, but I do not have the energy to argue something like this. Would rather free speech even if it means flexing the rules a bit. Enjoy
 
If anyone has genuine questions (can include grievances) on Tera remaining, ask them here. I will answer everyon I can within the week. Thank you
This isn't more of a question about the future of Tera rather than a question for general usage of Tera (I am not a tiering council or leader so I don't feel as I'm qualified enough to discuss on it). I was wondering in general do you think Tera is stronger offensively, defensively, or does it just depend on the teamcomp that is being run? Personally I think it is more useful defensively however I just wanted your opinion on it, thank you.
 
This isn't more of a question about the future of Tera rather than a question for general usage of Tera (I am not a tiering council or leader so I don't feel as I'm qualified enough to discuss on it). I was wondering in general do you think Tera is stronger offensively, defensively, or does it just depend on the teamcomp that is being run? Personally I think it is more useful defensively however I just wanted your opinion on it, thank you.
I think it depends how you define them -- I think defensive uses on Tera generate openings for offensive progress and Pokemon the best. I think STAB Tera is far less common (albeit still very valid), but "defensive" Tera amplifies offensive qualities of Pokemon or can even generate coverage for them, so it is not super linear to define it one direction or the other.
 
What is the general stance taken by OU tiering leaders on the tiering action of generational mechanics. Particularly in relation to "smaller" things such as individual Pokemon
 
What is the general stance taken by OU tiering leaders on the tiering action of generational mechanics. Particularly in relation to "smaller" things such as individual Pokemon
The bar to act on generational mechanics is certainly higher than Pokemon -- we need a PR thread, to run it by tiering admins (and potentially site ownership), and potentially a survey showing support is there. We also tend to give them an extra week of suspect length and make sure resources are as current as humanly possible heading into/throughout these suspects. It is a higher bar and the expectation is for everything to be functioning as intended going into a mechanic suspect while there is a lot more leeway for individual Pokemon suspects. Needless to say: we cannot quickban things like Dynamax or Tera either.

And with releases typically being in October/November, we do not want overlap with SPL or OST in early January, meaning if we want an early suspect like we had with both Dynamax and Tera, we need to be very calculated with our time and how we proceed!
 
Hi Finch, long time no speak, hope you're hanging on <3

After the multiple failed suspects and some general discomfort amongst the playerbase in terms of something being wrong with the tier but nobody agreeing on what it is, do you think that our current meta is THE meta and there are no further significant changes going to happen in terms of bans and uber drops and excluding the odd RU mon rising up by new trends?

And amongst the things ppl want retested, even though I don't think there's any major uproar for this, do you think there's room for a full or partial sleep retest in OU?
 
Not tera related at all, I just want to know what mons do you think are pretty underrated rn and should be explored more.
I think we should see more Prima tbh. Very disruptive, but hard to fit into teams I admit. Think Manaphy is underrated on hard offense now, too.
 
Hi Finch, long time no speak, hope you're hanging on <3

After the multiple failed suspects and some general discomfort amongst the playerbase in terms of something being wrong with the tier but nobody agreeing on what it is, do you think that our current meta is THE meta and there are no further significant changes going to happen in terms of bans and uber drops and excluding the odd RU mon rising up by new trends?

And amongst the things ppl want retested, even though I don't think there's any major uproar for this, do you think there's room for a full or partial sleep retest in OU?
I mean I don’t think a test not resulting in a ban is a failed test — it’s just the playerbase using their right to vote no ban, which is by design. I also feel like there’s so much time for the metagame to naturally shift that a ban or suspect is still perfectly likely (as we saw at prior points when things felt stagnant).

In short, I think it’s likely we see significant change, but I don’t mind if it doesn’t come up easily or initially.
 
Given the opportunity, would you be in favor of Tera's removal or do you think it provides enough in your eyes to justify it staying?

By extension, if you could make some changes to the tier to make it perfect--What you define as such, of course--What would you remove or add to do so? Be it bans or other changes. I'm curious to hear what you'd perceive as bettering the Tier without it losing its identity.
 
Given the opportunity, would you be in favor of Tera's removal or do you think it provides enough in your eyes to justify it staying?
No, I want Tera to stay. I was pro ban back in early 2023, but since then I have liked it more.
By extension, if you could make some changes to the tier to make it perfect--What you define as such, of course--What would you remove or add to do so? Be it bans or other changes. I'm curious to hear what you'd perceive as bettering the Tier without it losing its identity.
I would remove Kyurem and any leftover cheese/RNG items -- would consider retesting Zama-C

Do not think this gen will ever be perfect, but it is good now and probably can be great
 
Hi Finchinator, is the reason you'd consider retesting Zamazenta-Crowned 'cause it isn't actually a straight up upgrade to Zamazenta-Hero due to Zama-C's lower Base Speed and inability to run items such Heavy-Duty Boots, Life Orb, or Choice Band making it much easier to chip with hazards, easily cheesed by Sticky Web, and somewhat less of an offensive threat even though the higher Base Defenses and secondary Steel typing give it more setup opportunities compared to Zamazenta-Hero? All of these things mean that Zama-C would have a lot less set variety than Zama-H, making charting your overall strategy against it more straightforward even though counterplay for it would be more linear as in limited to fewer Pokemon due to how much of a stat stick it is and the Steel typing changing what checks it compared to Zama-H.

Zama-C would be useful for checking Kingambit, Gholdengo, Dragonite, Kyurem, Ogerpon-Wellspring, Samurott-Hisui, Darkrai, Roaring Moon, Lokix, Rillaboom, Meowscarada, and Ogerpon-Cornerstone.
 
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As someone who has been very disillusioned with Gen 9 OU and Mons as a whole since the Kyurem ban-unban/stop the steal fiasco, has always found tera sketchy as heck, and has recently been trying out NatDex OU for a tera-free meta...

I'm very glad that it's been confirmed Tera is staying. Hopefully this should allow Gen 9 to develop without the omnipresent, lurking sensation that the entire balance of things could be completely rewritten at one point. For better and for worse, Tera is a defining part of Gen 9's identity as a meta, and while it can be incredibly swingy and infuriating, there's undeniably a lot of skill-expression and player freedom unlocked by Tera as well.

On future steps: while there's a lot of contentious Pokémon, there's a particular Ice Dragon I hate with a freezing passion whose reintroduction completely killed the tier for me. How likely is it for Kyurem to be suspected again, and if so, what might the timeline be?

P.S.
Massive props to your communication and leadership this Gen, Finch. (I promise I'm not a big stall plant here to shill for the establishment)
This Gen has been nightmarishly chaotic with some of the most BS, deranged mechanics, Pokémon, and game balance. Despite the unenviable work at hand, you and the rest of the council have managed to wrangle a respectable tier out of what should, by all reason, be a giant dumpster fire. Thanks for all the hard work, and maybe unban sleep so you can finally Rest? ᴶᴷ ᴶᴷ
 
Finchinator are you ever going to consider retesting some of the Ubers due to the immense power creep of OU, or do you wish to keep the tier as is?

I remember stuff like Dengo and Gambit got opted for a suspect test (or close to that at least) and almost got banned from OU, so maybe dropping things isn't the play. Either way, do we plan to see bans between March and November 2025 for SV OU that isn't Tera?
 
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As someone who has been very disillusioned with Gen 9 OU and Mons as a whole since the Kyurem ban-unban/stop the steal fiasco, has always found tera sketchy as heck, and has recently been trying out NatDex OU for a tera-free meta...

I'm very glad that it's been confirmed Tera is staying. Hopefully this should allow Gen 9 to develop without the omnipresent, lurking sensation that the entire balance of things could be completely rewritten at one point. For better and for worse, Tera is a defining part of Gen 9's identity as a meta, and while it can be incredibly swingy and infuriating, there's undeniably a lot of skill-expression and player freedom unlocked by Tera as well.

On future steps: while there's a lot of contentious Pokémon, there's a particular Ice Dragon I hate with a freezing passion whose reintroduction completely killed the tier for me. How likely is it for Kyurem to be suspected again, and if so, what might the timeline be?

P.S.
Massive props to your communication and leadership this Gen, Finch. (I promise I'm not a big stall plant here to shill for the establishment)
This Gen has been nightmarishly chaotic with some of the most BS, deranged mechanics, Pokémon, and game balance. Despite the unenviable work at hand, you and the rest of the council have managed to wrangle a respectable tier out of what should, by all reason, be a giant dumpster fire. Thanks for all the hard work, and maybe unban sleep so you can finally Rest? ᴶᴷ ᴶᴷ
Somewhat likely, but perhaps not yet. I brought it up here, but it seemed to have one person with good support asking for us to wait some more and no other support whatsoever.

Thank you
 
Finchinator are you ever going to consider retesting some of the Ubers due to the immense power creep of OU, or do you wish to keep the tier as is?

I remember stuff like Dengo and Gambit got opted for a suspect test (or close to that at least) and almost got banned from OU, so maybe dropping things isn't the play. Either way, do we plan to see bans between March and November 2025 for SV OU that isn't Tera?
I could see discussion of Solgaleo, Zamazenta-C happening, but nothing is likely at all.

Dengo has never been suspected. Gambit was within 3-5%, but lacks support right now per recent surveys and discussions. I view Gambit as borderline broken, but I doubt it is actionable.

Kyurem, Wellspring are good topics. Think discussion about Pech and Lu will continue. Tera Blast is on the board as well.
 
Would it be possible for us to get a top 10 or so for what you think is most likely to/should be suspected?
 
I've been out of the loop with SV OU for awhile, when did Araquanid overtake Ribombee as the hottest Sticky Web dealer? I assume Water Bubble played a role in it?

Pecharunt's rise is especially curious to me, would be interesting to see your take on it's newfound popularity (?).
 
I've been out of the loop with SV OU for awhile, when did Araquanid overtake Ribombee as the hottest Sticky Web dealer? I assume Water Bubble played a role in it?

Pecharunt's rise is especially curious to me, would be interesting to see your take on it's newfound popularity (?).
I’d say Fall of 2024 it started and it continued from there. It is able to OHKO Taunt LandoT and Spin Tusk with Surf while offering other utility. It just has more upside than Ribombee while risking some slightly more awkward matchups along the way.

Pech is really good as it is able to check a ton of physical attackers, including Zamazenta, while providing utility and pivoting.
 
You have stated before you don't want suspect tests at certain times like during tournaments. Do you mind at all if I have that schedule where suspect tests are possible?
 
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