I don't know if sceptross was referring to trying to squeeze more Omastar usage into his bo35s
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The same description for why Omastar can be good is why Cloyster is amazing though.
What i find suprising that no one has mentioned yet, is that in tournament play you load stuff thats good into your opponent's scout, rather than the tournament as a whole.
If i have 50% lead gengar and 40% lead starmie, you wouldnt dare lead jynx or gengar into me, and would prefer loading Zam/Mie. If my opponent has 45% Mie, and 35% Jynx, with very low gengar, im leading something like zapdos or jolteon. You should not make calls on what is and isnt near always the correct play based on how EVERYONE plays, rather on how your opponent in specific plays.
Sure the better your opponent is the less likely they are to have these insanely skewed scouts with almost nobody being as skewed as above, and with some players being unscoutable, but thats not at all common and i think ive only ever seen 1 or 2 people like that. Majority of the people you face will have preferences. You play into those. And if you dont bother to scout your opponent because its a low stakes tour you dont care about, why are you even being optimal. Have fun and bring what you want. There is no reason general stats should determine what you bring as a counterteam.
Edit: If your opponent is unscoutable because they have literally no games to scout for this is when you load whatever you want and fundies them.
If i have 50% lead gengar and 40% lead starmie, you wouldnt dare lead jynx or gengar into me, and would prefer loading Zam/Mie. If my opponent has 45% Mie, and 35% Jynx, with very low gengar, im leading something like zapdos or jolteon. You should not make calls on what is and isnt near always the correct play based on how EVERYONE plays, rather on how your opponent in specific plays.
Sure the better your opponent is the less likely they are to have these insanely skewed scouts with almost nobody being as skewed as above, and with some players being unscoutable, but thats not at all common and i think ive only ever seen 1 or 2 people like that. Majority of the people you face will have preferences. You play into those. And if you dont bother to scout your opponent because its a low stakes tour you dont care about, why are you even being optimal. Have fun and bring what you want. There is no reason general stats should determine what you bring as a counterteam.
Edit: If your opponent is unscoutable because they have literally no games to scout for this is when you load whatever you want and fundies them.
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So we are all learning the same things out there in the field. Nice.
What I've been appreciating more about jynx (in lieu of our previous discussions around normal move egg) is how much you have to give up to beat it. I think its floor is probably always going to be limited by the bad matchups it can have, but given that those (gar lead or normal egg) are big concessions that make you worse off into many teams, counterteaming it always feels a little like a gamble.
This is why I've been really liking Jynx Mie Don lately. I remember sceptross saying he thought it was the best overall team into the meta, which seemed crazy to me at the time for how it gets demolished by gar (although usually only 70% of the time, and boom can go very wrong); but if most of the stuff that ruins it is inconsistent and "suboptimal," it's probably still a good team. I'd rather be good into the strong teams than the weak ones and put the onus on them to fish me, it could very well backfire for them if I decide to play something else.
My favorite way to deal with jynx currently is probably sing toss chansey to bully the jynx for my tauros, but that feels a little awkward to fit sometimes too, because you have to fit anti-starmie tech somewhere else (beamlax, bolt mie, zap), which in conjunction with toss chansey usually leaves you worse off against don or zap in some capacity. That may be another case of having to accept the team's bad matchups, but being weak into zap/don feels way worse than being weak to gar or normal egg given how much more common/stronger the former are.
Overall, if rbypl is anything to go off of, I think this spl season is going to have a lot of jynx's, as players seem to be appreciating its talents more and more. Hopefully we see people working on new strategies to crack it open (progress!!!). Given how many jynx teams have backup sleep and/or egg now (making gar lead extremely inconsistent), my money is on normal move egg making a comeback. Perhaps we'll see some tauros lead? In rbypl us haymakers used a lot of jynx + backup sleep to answer opposing jynx, which felt like the most consistent answer; but I'm curious to see what people find next.
This is why I've been really liking Jynx Mie Don lately. I remember sceptross saying he thought it was the best overall team into the meta, which seemed crazy to me at the time for how it gets demolished by gar (although usually only 70% of the time, and boom can go very wrong); but if most of the stuff that ruins it is inconsistent and "suboptimal," it's probably still a good team. I'd rather be good into the strong teams than the weak ones and put the onus on them to fish me, it could very well backfire for them if I decide to play something else.
My favorite way to deal with jynx currently is probably sing toss chansey to bully the jynx for my tauros, but that feels a little awkward to fit sometimes too, because you have to fit anti-starmie tech somewhere else (beamlax, bolt mie, zap), which in conjunction with toss chansey usually leaves you worse off against don or zap in some capacity. That may be another case of having to accept the team's bad matchups, but being weak into zap/don feels way worse than being weak to gar or normal egg given how much more common/stronger the former are.
Overall, if rbypl is anything to go off of, I think this spl season is going to have a lot of jynx's, as players seem to be appreciating its talents more and more. Hopefully we see people working on new strategies to crack it open (progress!!!). Given how many jynx teams have backup sleep and/or egg now (making gar lead extremely inconsistent), my money is on normal move egg making a comeback. Perhaps we'll see some tauros lead? In rbypl us haymakers used a lot of jynx + backup sleep to answer opposing jynx, which felt like the most consistent answer; but I'm curious to see what people find next.
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