What do you mean unoptimal can you explain so I can fix the team
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Project Old Gen Hackmons Megathread
- Thread starter Ransei
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you're limiting yourself to the 510 ev limit unnecessarily, just type in the evs instead of using the slider when you're building with a non-ph format in the teambuilder
Ohh I didn't know i could do that... I thought gen7 onwards had no ev limit
I have updated my original post with the fixed team
Yeetoos why is there so much empty space between your sentences? 
I'm gonna try to clear up some of the misconceptions here.
I shall now transition into a short yap about the current state of the meta.
"Broken" doesn't even begin to describe how powerful hazards are in this meta. The lack of consistent hazard control makes it is THE best way to make progress and is one of the reasons Deoxy-S is the top mon in the tier. Sleep resetting upon switching and the constant threat of getting hit by Sheer Cold makes Deo a pain to play around but Deo is also incapable of making progress against double WG structures on it's own which is why having Stealth Rock / Spikes along with it is a must. Since Deo forces constant switching, the chip damage stacks up very very fast and once your trapped in that loop it's game over. This leads to most games being centered around being able to set up hazards while keeping them off of your side of the field which makes 2 playstyles being particularly dominant: hazard stack and hyper offense. Hazard stack, obviously, focuses on setting up as many hazards as possible and cleaning up with strong priority, shell smash sweepers, or of course NG Deo. Hyper offense on the other hand aims for quick games and winning before the opponent can. Other playstyles like full stall, weather, and non-hazard central balances / BOs see considerably less usage and are typically much less consistent in comparison due to making progress much slower while being unable to stop Spikes from tearing through their team.
#IDontSave Replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ubers-2522838886 HO
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5customgame-2522824509-cxyyxm0p7d8odi7lq3fq3f7bm9g4jfgpw HStack
yeah that's the best I can do for replays, I didn't save any of the good examples
TL;DR funni triangles on floor = beeg dmg = ggezzz (or just win faster)
remember this is just my opinion, please don't bully me
I don't even play PH.
I'm gonna try to clear up some of the misconceptions here.
While it's true that mold breaker is incredibly powerful since it allows your breakers / sweepers to actually get past wonder guards (like it does in every other PH gen), it's not the only way to win. Passive damage from hazards, status, and even sandstorm/hail are great ways to make progress.
Sleep is in fact broken, but it doesn't mean you should just spam 6 (or in this case 4.) sweepers with Spore. You lose out on too much coverage and utility to justify it and it almost guarantees you lose to opposing offense.
If by easier you mean making the broken stuff become more broken then sure yeah. Spirit is the best glue mon anyone can ask for and it's possibly holding the tier together because without it weird coverage fishes would become actually viable, making games more reliant on MU than actual skill.
I shall now transition into a short yap about the current state of the meta.
"Broken" doesn't even begin to describe how powerful hazards are in this meta. The lack of consistent hazard control makes it is THE best way to make progress and is one of the reasons Deoxy-S is the top mon in the tier. Sleep resetting upon switching and the constant threat of getting hit by Sheer Cold makes Deo a pain to play around but Deo is also incapable of making progress against double WG structures on it's own which is why having Stealth Rock / Spikes along with it is a must. Since Deo forces constant switching, the chip damage stacks up very very fast and once your trapped in that loop it's game over. This leads to most games being centered around being able to set up hazards while keeping them off of your side of the field which makes 2 playstyles being particularly dominant: hazard stack and hyper offense. Hazard stack, obviously, focuses on setting up as many hazards as possible and cleaning up with strong priority, shell smash sweepers, or of course NG Deo. Hyper offense on the other hand aims for quick games and winning before the opponent can. Other playstyles like full stall, weather, and non-hazard central balances / BOs see considerably less usage and are typically much less consistent in comparison due to making progress much slower while being unable to stop Spikes from tearing through their team.
#IDontSave Replays:
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5ubers-2522838886 HO
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen5customgame-2522824509-cxyyxm0p7d8odi7lq3fq3f7bm9g4jfgpw HStack
yeah that's the best I can do for replays, I didn't save any of the good examples
TL;DR funni triangles on floor = beeg dmg = ggezzz (or just win faster)
remember this is just my opinion, please don't bully me
I don't even play PH.
While I think most of what you said here is true, but I feel like HO really isn't as good as hazard stack due to the fact that defensive counterplay is extremely good. It is almost an impossible task to sweep with anything since counterplay is so easy to fit on most teams. Double WG (with sleep talk), HP fake speed Regi/Slak, pranksters, imp, etc. are all really good on any team. Every good sweeper in the game falls to at least one of these, or has the possibility of being completely counterswept in the case of imp, making it pretty hard for the sweepers to do their job. Chipping the defenaive mons and crippling them with status is by far the most consistant way to make progress. Hazards are the 1 thing that allows any team to make consistent meaningful progress and countering/setting/abusing them should be the main goal of basically every team due to the fact that everything without their support has a very hard time doing basically anything with any shred of consistancy.
hello Yeetoos I know your excited/determined to have a sample team or smth idk I will let you know of some changes that could be made to this team and that as of rn I dont think samples will be accepted they CAN be posted in resonable non flooding posts but as of rn they wont be accepted but are appreciated to see what sets you people are running! but I have to say it but please re consider the Lando set firstly, because lando-t is not a SD user AT ALL it's usually a sleep talk + Aromo/Heal Bell encore or taunt and nature power user, secondly double HO is good yes but it lack the defensive counter play most other teams I'll also say this again don't use toxic it's pointless with Lando's with aromo going around it's a waste of a move slot that could be better optimized, also not all your Moldy mons needs sleep talk + spore that's sub optimal and lacks proper improofing also please fix that natures of some of your mons make Lando Adamant, Gengar Timid Palkia timid (or go Modest Diagla) please give lando the shed shell so you don't insta lose to Stag also why does registeel have sleep talk? what's that's gonna do ALSO you lack hazard control also two moldy mons is while good not the most useful when Lando/Deo-s/Regigias can just revenge kill ya I will also do a small yap about the B2W2 Meta hazards are indeed a very valuable tool to have as it's really hard to counter play hazards and it makes AMAZING Progress to opposing offense without it you cannot make ANY form of actual progress unless you have like imp or something like that secondly your team lacks any usable counter play to apposing offense/hazards and that is bad also please refer to the VR/Current samples to get an idea of what to use and what not to use also in what world is Skarm a good magic bouncer like that??? it crumbles to a fire move and can be easily outplayed all it has going for it is immunity to grounded hazards. ~ Viola
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