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Tournaments SPL XVII ADV Hype Thread
- Thread starter Endill
- Start date
Johnald vs zinc
Triangles vs mayo
shitrock enjoyer vs mielke
pixie909 vs Endill
Garay oak vs JabbaTheGriffin
Triangles vs mayo
shitrock enjoyer vs mielke
pixie909 vs Endill
Garay oak vs JabbaTheGriffin
Johnald vs zinc- closest matchup this week IMO. Coinflip giving to zinc whose teams have been more out of the box so far
Triangles vs mayo- picked against triangles last week. Probably will not do that again this season.
shitrock enjoyer vs mielke- another awesome matchup.
pixie909 vs Endill
Garay oak vs JabbaTheGriffin- I will still bold Garay every single time
Triangles vs mayo- picked against triangles last week. Probably will not do that again this season.
shitrock enjoyer vs mielke- another awesome matchup.
pixie909 vs Endill
Garay oak vs JabbaTheGriffin- I will still bold Garay every single time
[BIG] Johnald vs [CRY] zinc
[SCO] Triangles vs [SHA] mayo
[TYR] shitrock enjoyer vs [WOL] mielke
[TIG] pixie909 vs [RAI] Endill
[CLA] Garay oak vs [RUI] JabbaTheGriffin
[SCO] Triangles vs [SHA] mayo
[TYR] shitrock enjoyer vs [WOL] mielke
[TIG] pixie909 vs [RAI] Endill
[CLA] Garay oak vs [RUI] JabbaTheGriffin
[BIG] Johnald vs [CRY] zinc - Too close to call, but this is a battle of ADVs most prolific new chef vs a fantastic Cryos kitchen. VERY excited for this MU.
[SCO] Triangles vs [SHA] mayo - I love you Dad
[TYR] shitrock enjoyer vs [WOL] mielke - I reserve the right to change this if Mielke love Ayrton Senna more than Daz does
[TIG] pixie909 vs [RAI] Endill - Its great to see Blaise shine, and I'll be happy for her if she wins. Gotta go with my brother Endill here though, he has more reps at this level.
[CLA] Garay oak vs [RUI] JabbaTheGriffin - How is Jabba even still alive at this point?
Edit: Mielke > Daz
[SCO] Triangles vs [SHA] mayo - I love you Dad
[TYR] shitrock enjoyer vs [WOL] mielke - I reserve the right to change this if Mielke love Ayrton Senna more than Daz does
[TIG] pixie909 vs [RAI] Endill - Its great to see Blaise shine, and I'll be happy for her if she wins. Gotta go with my brother Endill here though, he has more reps at this level.
[CLA] Garay oak vs [RUI] JabbaTheGriffin - How is Jabba even still alive at this point?
Edit: Mielke > Daz
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Don't have much energy or time this week, so I'll keep it short and sweet.
Endill vs Fruhdazi:
Endill's prep was quite intelligent. SpD Wish Jira with HP Grass to hit (End) Pert and Hypno Gar to abuse Fruhdazi's use of Registeel (often without Pursuit) was sharp. I think I like this six with dual status Gengar, too, if you're using Hypnosis. I liked this comp at one point with Tect Jira to help get an easy advantage in the Aero mirror, allowing for more offensive sets elsewhere on the team (CB Tar in particular), but I think this version has more clever synergies.
I love this team. Mix Mence Spikes hasn't been in vogue for a while, and I think part of it has to do with the polarization of the tier between the most offensive and defensive of builds. There is U6, and of course, Clat's SpD Jira+Mence Spikes build saw some play, but there haven't been many new Mix Mence Spikes builds in the last few years at this level. What Fruhdazi does here very convincingly is slot Mence with End Pert AND Pursuit Tar AND Rapid Spin. Very often, Pursuit Tar is a pace mismatch on offense teams, and I would argue Mix Mence is also far slower than DD Mence on a momentum-oriented build, and using a slot on Rapid Spin without any mon to meaningfully benefit from it (like Registeel, Blissey, Suicune, etc.) isn't always optimal. Mix Mence isn't a notably worse Pokemon than before, but I think people are just not interested in loading Tar/[Skarm+Dol or Forre+1]/Mence so much, because the usual SpD mon on these builds is Blissey, which has been found to be better without Sand and on more defensively slanted builds. Pursuit Tar instead of an extra SpD mon makes a lot of sense here, since half of the team really doesn't like Gengar, and Pert is also unhappy to switch into it. Dol helps, too, but as we saw, Gar still had a free hand this game after clicking Hypnosis. The core of Steel+End Pert+Dol is documented at this point, but it's also possible that Off Pert is a good fit here. In any case, Roar Pert on TSS is a really strong pick. If Steel can TW a Gengar for Mence (Dol or Steel), the player is happy. There's also a nice synergy between paralysis and End Pert. It's hard to say Thief on Skarmory is the only option here, since it isn't supporting anything offensively, but it brings an extra Skarm beat-down factor and allows Pert to break through it more easily. And Claydol makes the most sense here to bulk out the defensive core. It's also the rare SkarmDol TSS that slots a water type (well) and fits pressure into Swampert (with Tox Steel, also pressuring Blissey? Maybe HP Grass Tar? and HP Grass Mence). Instant classic team.
Mielke vs Johnald:
Mielke's team is a curiosity. It's clear he's been high on TW Gyara. I think there's a synergy between the TW spam and Spore, since all mons that will want to eat a TW from Registeel hate switching into Breloom, bar Claydol and Celebi who can be abused by other team members, and no mon wants to eat a TW from Gyarados, and those who can are likewise abused by Suit Tar and Breloom. I liked the synergy between Loom and Gyara, and I think Mielke is onto something with Suit Tar, Gyara, and Breloom as a combination. Maybe it's only this comp that can pull it off so well? Gyarados as the only bulky water has always concerned me -- even moreso with (unsupported, even) Agility (Slide) Metagross in vogue in recent years -- but if there is a way of doing that, it's with Registeel and TW spam. I really love this comp. I don't know if Gyarados is really making a comeback, but I have to say that Mielke has brought some really interesting takes on it that could be significant in the near future.
Johnald's team looks like something that is worse vs Spin stall. I think it's CM Blissey here. I don't hate it -- I big 4 always good to be at least a B-tier archetype, whatever the metagame -- but these grounded, Spinless, Blissey TSS's should probably fit some other broken mon in the Zap slot (like Rest Zap) to ensure that Blissey isn't just getting overloaded. I like how it fits BKC Tar and Mix Mence next to an offensive Blissey, and I absolutely love how there's a Zapdos to help against Pert, Skarm, and Gengar and to chip Tar for Blissey.
The rest:
Zinc's build vs Kollin isn't for me. I feel like some of the techs were a little asynergistic, with Agility Meta unsupported against SkarmPert and the whole team being Spikes weak. Only Prinz has loaded spinless spec off this SPL, and I think it's safe to say that this approach is dated. I'll caveat this by saying I haven't looked at this kind of build in a while, and I'm not particularly sympathetic to the team style, so it's possible I'm dismissing it here without giving it its due dilligence, but I don't think it's unfair to say Dugtrio (offense) has its downsides, and the approach chosen to patch them here is at least indirect in patching them. I wonder if the Jirachi is HP Grass last. Kollin brought Linear's six vs Golden Sun in SPL XII w1. Linear used a SpD Wish 3 Attacks (Bslam/Fire/Grass) Jira, a BKC Tar, and a Fire Blast Def Gon instead of Fire/Psy Jira, Sub Tar, and Sub Gon. And he used Off Star. I heard that Kollin's Flygon didn't have HP Bug. Not sure if this is true, though. I don't really get Off Gon, and I certainly don't love this kind of build with no true Zapdos switch-ins -- assuming his Jirachi was Modest Super (with bulk) -- but I can kind of understand how someone might think it's enough to pivot with Gon and co.
I didn't think Jabba vs Blaise or Garay Oak vs Triangles showed anything new or interesting in the team department. I messed around with something like what Jabba brought, but with Seed CM Celebi and Curse 3 Lax a few years back, and I thought it was a fun build, at least.
Endill vs Fruhdazi:
Endill's prep was quite intelligent. SpD Wish Jira with HP Grass to hit (End) Pert and Hypno Gar to abuse Fruhdazi's use of Registeel (often without Pursuit) was sharp. I think I like this six with dual status Gengar, too, if you're using Hypnosis. I liked this comp at one point with Tect Jira to help get an easy advantage in the Aero mirror, allowing for more offensive sets elsewhere on the team (CB Tar in particular), but I think this version has more clever synergies.
I love this team. Mix Mence Spikes hasn't been in vogue for a while, and I think part of it has to do with the polarization of the tier between the most offensive and defensive of builds. There is U6, and of course, Clat's SpD Jira+Mence Spikes build saw some play, but there haven't been many new Mix Mence Spikes builds in the last few years at this level. What Fruhdazi does here very convincingly is slot Mence with End Pert AND Pursuit Tar AND Rapid Spin. Very often, Pursuit Tar is a pace mismatch on offense teams, and I would argue Mix Mence is also far slower than DD Mence on a momentum-oriented build, and using a slot on Rapid Spin without any mon to meaningfully benefit from it (like Registeel, Blissey, Suicune, etc.) isn't always optimal. Mix Mence isn't a notably worse Pokemon than before, but I think people are just not interested in loading Tar/[Skarm+Dol or Forre+1]/Mence so much, because the usual SpD mon on these builds is Blissey, which has been found to be better without Sand and on more defensively slanted builds. Pursuit Tar instead of an extra SpD mon makes a lot of sense here, since half of the team really doesn't like Gengar, and Pert is also unhappy to switch into it. Dol helps, too, but as we saw, Gar still had a free hand this game after clicking Hypnosis. The core of Steel+End Pert+Dol is documented at this point, but it's also possible that Off Pert is a good fit here. In any case, Roar Pert on TSS is a really strong pick. If Steel can TW a Gengar for Mence (Dol or Steel), the player is happy. There's also a nice synergy between paralysis and End Pert. It's hard to say Thief on Skarmory is the only option here, since it isn't supporting anything offensively, but it brings an extra Skarm beat-down factor and allows Pert to break through it more easily. And Claydol makes the most sense here to bulk out the defensive core. It's also the rare SkarmDol TSS that slots a water type (well) and fits pressure into Swampert (with Tox Steel, also pressuring Blissey? Maybe HP Grass Tar? and HP Grass Mence). Instant classic team.
Mielke vs Johnald:
Mielke's team is a curiosity. It's clear he's been high on TW Gyara. I think there's a synergy between the TW spam and Spore, since all mons that will want to eat a TW from Registeel hate switching into Breloom, bar Claydol and Celebi who can be abused by other team members, and no mon wants to eat a TW from Gyarados, and those who can are likewise abused by Suit Tar and Breloom. I liked the synergy between Loom and Gyara, and I think Mielke is onto something with Suit Tar, Gyara, and Breloom as a combination. Maybe it's only this comp that can pull it off so well? Gyarados as the only bulky water has always concerned me -- even moreso with (unsupported, even) Agility (Slide) Metagross in vogue in recent years -- but if there is a way of doing that, it's with Registeel and TW spam. I really love this comp. I don't know if Gyarados is really making a comeback, but I have to say that Mielke has brought some really interesting takes on it that could be significant in the near future.
Johnald's team looks like something that is worse vs Spin stall. I think it's CM Blissey here. I don't hate it -- I big 4 always good to be at least a B-tier archetype, whatever the metagame -- but these grounded, Spinless, Blissey TSS's should probably fit some other broken mon in the Zap slot (like Rest Zap) to ensure that Blissey isn't just getting overloaded. I like how it fits BKC Tar and Mix Mence next to an offensive Blissey, and I absolutely love how there's a Zapdos to help against Pert, Skarm, and Gengar and to chip Tar for Blissey.
The rest:
Zinc's build vs Kollin isn't for me. I feel like some of the techs were a little asynergistic, with Agility Meta unsupported against SkarmPert and the whole team being Spikes weak. Only Prinz has loaded spinless spec off this SPL, and I think it's safe to say that this approach is dated. I'll caveat this by saying I haven't looked at this kind of build in a while, and I'm not particularly sympathetic to the team style, so it's possible I'm dismissing it here without giving it its due dilligence, but I don't think it's unfair to say Dugtrio (offense) has its downsides, and the approach chosen to patch them here is at least indirect in patching them. I wonder if the Jirachi is HP Grass last. Kollin brought Linear's six vs Golden Sun in SPL XII w1. Linear used a SpD Wish 3 Attacks (Bslam/Fire/Grass) Jira, a BKC Tar, and a Fire Blast Def Gon instead of Fire/Psy Jira, Sub Tar, and Sub Gon. And he used Off Star. I heard that Kollin's Flygon didn't have HP Bug. Not sure if this is true, though. I don't really get Off Gon, and I certainly don't love this kind of build with no true Zapdos switch-ins -- assuming his Jirachi was Modest Super (with bulk) -- but I can kind of understand how someone might think it's enough to pivot with Gon and co.
I didn't think Jabba vs Blaise or Garay Oak vs Triangles showed anything new or interesting in the team department. I messed around with something like what Jabba brought, but with Seed CM Celebi and Curse 3 Lax a few years back, and I thought it was a fun build, at least.