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Metagame USUM Pure Hackmons

The following teams have been added to samples:
:deoxys-speed::gengar-mega::kartana::mewtwo-mega-x::chansey::slaking:
Smurf HO by Rain
Recover > Milk Drink and Whirlwind > Metal Burst on Chansey. Sunsteel Strike > Parting Shot on Slaking. Life Orb > Choice Band on Mega Mewtwo X)

:deoxys-speed::rayquaza-mega::mewtwo-mega-y::arceus::kartana::hoopa-unbound:
Triage Mega Rayquaza Offense by Child of Night

:ho-oh::audino-mega::mamoswine::chansey::chansey::blissey:
Mamoswine Stall by Yourself

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The following teams have been moved to legacy:
:pikachu::greninja-ash::mewtwo-mega-x::steelix-mega::mewtwo-mega-x::audino-mega:
Ash Ketchum Offense by Ransei

:diancie-mega::scizor-mega::chansey::meloetta::doublade::mewtwo-mega-x:
Diamancie Revamped by Eyeos
 
VR Stuff since other ppl are saying stuff about it:

Banette-Mega: B- - C
I haven’t used this mon much tbf, but it needs to hold cb, which makes it walled by almost everything. It is also rly slow and koed by almost every decent moongeist user (which would be faster and sneak is not gonna ko them alot of the time). What does it do? Stab sneak + theif? It doesn’t matter with theif coz it doesn’t have enough bulk or speed to outspeed/live a hit: this mon is rly bad and always feels like it drags the team down imo

Ive got more stuff but ill add it in l8r coz i need to sleep
 
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7purehackmons-2544980070-33sxuwoewvsx2843v4w6tqfecv8edhbpw
this is a great example of the team working :)

random incoherent bullshit so this isnt a oneliner:
:sv/giratina-origin:
Giratina-Origin @ Leppa Berry / Life Orb
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Lonely Nature
- Shadow Sneak
- Sunsteel Strike
- Clangorous Soulblaze / Let's Snuggle Forever
- Menacing Moonraze Maelstrom

its like marowak-a if he wasnt rocks weak and insta lose to item removal and actually can break physical walls because of mixed

improof with strength sap wg normal that doesnt explode to sunsteel (slaking arc etc)
 
PH Moderators delete onelines challenge (please Ransei Eyeos NToTheN TheCreatorOfBullsht this isn't allowed and is clogging the thread)

Since I want to avoid annoying myself, let's analyze exactly why hello1433's team will never be a sample. Hint: It's not because it's mbee offense, it's because it's bad. I will also dump some random teams again because why not?

First off, the bee itself. U-Turn is cool into offense because you OHKO mmy and do like 50-60 to mmx so you can effectively revenge kill them plus play rough always OHKOs mmx, forcing it out and pressing u-turn so you can keep momentum. I mean, you're huge power adamant, obviously you can guarantee to force out pokemon you have super effective coverage for.

252+ Atk Huge Power Beedrill-Mega Play Rough vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mewtwo-Mega-X: 378-446 (90.8 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

Never mind, every time you go to kill MMX you are gambling on a less than 40% chance after accuracy to actually kill it. It's not like you have hazards either so this will always be the roll unless you get previous chip which isn't exactly the easiest thing to get on mmx with this squad (more later).

So your speed control can't really kill mmx. Well, your wonder guard can swap into it to score some chip with u-turn, putting it into range. Because of course you picked a WG who can improof bee like kyogre or ferrothorn or maybe even scizor who would die to the good set pressing light that burns the sky after rocks score crucial damage and let bee revenge.

Never mind, your wonder guard is maud so you take 70 percent minimum just from photon and LTBTS cleanly OHKOS. Also, you don't improof beedrill. Also you're the most passive set of all time apparently. All of these sample submissions have a basically do nothing mon, is this obligatory on low ladder offense? Give up all your pressure for fun?

Well, at the very least if maud doesn't improof bee, you can just sack innards to it to improof, that's fine on HO. I'm saying this because of course you used innards blissey or even chansey because those are the good sets.

I'm skipping gengar for the narrative shut up

Ok so our max defenses innards lunala can't take out imposter. It's also photon ghiest fairy which is close to sunsteel ghiest fairy except instead of killing meloetta and muk and blobs and houndoom (tbf +2 mmm probably dunks on this) you actually get walled by them instead. Imp of this also totally just either forces a 1f1 with this or kills it and then forces a trade with regigigas or gengar's sash because it still. isn't. improofed. by. your. wonder guard pokemon.

Speaking about that gengar, we have modest sword mgb spore smash gengar like this is 2023 again. Finally it's actually improofed by maud but another special guy who loses to melo/muk :trode: :zonger: :row: truly a moment of all time. It's nice for the spam matchup I guess but this is doing nothing ever into stall or literally any team with big priority that just hits you as you set up. scarf pbond mmx victim too Very dated set but it's fine I guess, it does successfully cope a couple of mus. Melo walling two mons is probably fine considering how its bee fodder. That's really not that much of the team anyways.

Ok so it walls the regigigas too and this might be the worst set I've ever seen. WG espeed multiattack spectral? Arceus did not conceive of this set when making USUM PH. Speaking of arceus, just use arceus. Also why are you hasty? Giving up free damage to sunsteel users.

Finally, speaking about sunsteel users we have the first good, relevant set on the entire team in pdon except it's lonely. Just use naughty
:blobsad:

Genuinely good set except it literally isnt improofed so you just sack about two thirds of regigigas's health assuming it doesn't smash a second time and then thief. Alternatively, you sack gengar down to sash and then spore. Is it really that hard to just use heatran or something? Hell, kyogre would be better than maud here if it weren't for the gengar because it's fat fuck specially so freeze dry doesnt do half and then scald does one trillion percent or something.


Overall, this team has three pokemon improofed by hopes and dreams, two pokemon hardproofed, and one pokemon who does nothing anyways but imp gets free healing. You also have 3 pokemon who simply aren't optimized, 3 pokemon who can't hit meloetta, the entire team is semi-walled by kyogre if you don't get lucky on sleep turns or high-roll on Z, muk is horrible for you, nothing on your team outspeeds MMX... There's just so many weaknesses that I genuinely cannot imagine a real team losing to this, especially not a real team with melo. It's fun to dunk on zenith mode or samples if they're bad but this loses hard enough to every real playstyle that it's probably easier to make a good bee team by deleting everything and starting over.

my solution would probably be mmx-> maud, taunt tspikes gar -> mg gar, arceus -> regigigas, innards blissey-> lunala, lonely -> naughty.

random teams as promised

https://pokepast.es/90fd3cde0fa5d032 so it looks like dark psychic ghost spam but actually that's a normal!! yeah its aerobee slop but with certified clicker mmx
https://pokepast.es/419c642c197f7425 steam eruption? are you insane? yes??? my opponents will go insane after trying to use wg ho-oh or heatran or houndoom to check this because they saw protean and thought sunsteel ghiest fairy +2 252 SpA Protean Mewtwo-Mega-Y Steam Eruption vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Ho-Oh: 516-608 (124.3 - 146.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO boom that's a free kill and now the stall user is more like a stall loser haha gottem. Also big tyranitar is good and i fucking love leppa berry

That's all for today but please delete one liners it makes it unfair to people who have to actually make teams to ask mods to delete them or else they're also making one liners, fortunately the sample submissions are bad enough to sustain asking for deletes for a while

the mmx is honey gather lol change that
honey gather mmx is the new meta (1st paste)
to make this now a one liner let me post random sets that lose to half the wgs but are cool

:sm/greninja-ash:
Greninja-Ash (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Pursuit
- Shell Smash
- Let's Snuggle Forever / Mind Blown
- Moongeist Beam

:sm/blacephalon:
Blacephalon @ Life Orb
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Shell Smash
- Mind Blown
- V-create
- Moongeist Beam

:sm/kyogre-primal:
Kyogre-Primal @ Leftovers
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 252 SpA / 252 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Shell Smash
- Malicious Moonsault
- Steam Eruption
- Searing Sunraze Smash

who is this guy bro
 
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As a player that isn’t really that good, I’d still like to share my own viability rankings based on my own success and what I’ve seen from others
Keep in mind that. This is unfinished

S tier

Blissey: innards out, imposter
Chansey: imposter, innards out
Mega Mewtwo x: huge power
Mega Mewtwo y: dazzling, psychic surge, protean

S-

Aerodactyl: no guard
Kartana: wonder guard, magic guard, huge power, prankster
Mega gengar: parental bond, no guard
Pheramosa: huge power, no guard

A

Mega audino: wonder guard
Mega rayquaza: triage, mold breaker
Primal groudon: mold breaker, huge power
Primal Kyogre: wonder guard
Slaking: huge power, harvest

A-

Deoxys attack: magic guard
Deoxys speed: no guard
Kyurem white: magic bounce
Yveltal: mold breaker, wonder guard, magic guard
Zygarde complete: prankster
 
Aight for the viability shts whatever here're my thoughts lol:

:kartana: From S- to A+
Explanations: Basically Kartana isn't that broken to stand w/ Mewtwos (Yes I'm serious) as it's just a cutting paper until it dies, Shell Smash Spore and Sashes/Memories/Plates like it's natural - However, I'm not saying it's bad but it's just not too good to stand out to be an S- mon
(Also where Prankster Kartana I'm pretty sure that's viable? No?)

:yveltal: From B+ to A-
Buff the bird:
Yveltal has been good as being a menace in using Taunt and being a physical sweeper. Its Atk is proved w/ MBreaker and Harvest but still have bulky sets like P.Heal, Prankster and M.Bounce (Seriously this bird is annoying if you can't figure out its set)

:gyarados: @ Gyaradosite From D to C (at least)
please this guy's real good with illusion ptrip sweep ya cannot say "i'm not surprised"

:solgaleo: From B- to E
Who is this guy really, MBeams are everywhere and this stupid lion is still in Bs? Ofc I could see the vision on Sturdy but what- No Guard and Prankster? (Please tell me this is not from low ladder plays >:V)

:necrozma-dawn-wings: From B- to C+
Necrozma-Fraud-Wings trust



And yeah that's pretty it for my bullshit complain on the Viability Rankings. Honestly, this is still fine but there're too much Mons standing in middle B so ig C+ and A- should be considered for some of them lol :P
 
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As a player that isn’t really that good, I’d still like to share my own viability rankings based on my own success and what I’ve seen from others
Keep in mind that. This is unfinished

S tier

Blissey: innards out, imposter
Chansey: imposter, innards out
Mega Mewtwo x: huge power
Mega Mewtwo y: dazzling, psychic surge, protean

S-

Aerodactyl: no guard
Kartana: wonder guard, magic guard, huge power, prankster
Mega gengar: parental bond, no guard
Pheramosa: huge power, no guard

A

Mega audino: wonder guard
Mega rayquaza: triage, mold breaker
Primal groudon: mold breaker, huge power
Primal Kyogre: wonder guard
Slaking: huge power, harvest

A-

Deoxys attack: magic guard
Deoxys speed: no guard
Kyurem white: magic bounce
Yveltal: mold breaker, wonder guard, magic guard
Zygarde complete prankster
putting pheromosa and aerodactyl at s- is an opinion right, a very bad one definitely

aerodactyl and phero are very very overranked as aero is just a ng that is fake speed resist and webs immune and fissure immune, however in practice this often does not matter. it should be a- at the very least. pheromosa is actually an underrated mon but putting it at s- is very wrong, should be a at the least.

mega gengar can also be harvest but i still dont think its that good a+ would prob be fine

i say deo a should be moved up to s- personally or a+ because it is a very good mixed guy and can also be hp or stag

phero can also be stag.
kart can also be ng
mmy can be like hp mg harvest literally anything
zygc can be bounce



youre missing a lot of abilities on a lot of mons but ik this is wip so whatever
 
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Aight for the viability shts whatever here're my thoughts lol:

:kartana: From S- to A+
Explanations: Basically Kartana isn't that broken to stand w/ Mewtwos (Yes I'm serious) as it's just a cutting paper until it dies, Shell Smash Spore and Sashes/Memories/Plates like it's natural - However, I'm not saying it's bad but it's just not too good to stand out to be an S- mon
(Also where Prankster Kartana I'm pretty sure that's viable? No?)

:yveltal: From B+ to A-
Buff the bird:
Yveltal has been good as being a menace in using Taunt and being a physical sweeper. Its Atk is proved w/ MBreaker and Harvest but still have bulky sets like P.Heal, Prankster and M.Bounce (Seriously this bird is annoying if you can't figure out its set)

:gyarados: @ Gyaradosite From D to C (at least)
please this guy's real good with illusion ptrip sweep ya cannot say "i'm not surprised"

:solgaleo: From B- to E
Who is this guy really, MBeams are everywhere and this stupid lion is still in Bs? Ofc I could see the vision on Sturdy but what- No Guard and Prankster? (Please tell me this is not from low ladder plays >:V)

:necrozma-dawn-wings: From B- to C+
Necrozma-Fraud-Wings trust



And yeah that's pretty it for my bullshit complain on the Viability Rankings. Honestly, this is still fine but there're too much Mons standing in middle B so ig C+ and A- should be considered for some of them lol :P
saying kartana isnt broken has to be a record since this thing quite literally ohkoes everything at +2 hp sss except for magneton and heatran

prankster kartana is actually a mid set im too lazy to explain right now

i like yvel too im biased so skipping that but it should prob stay b since its attacking power actually cant pick up the kos it needs

gyarafoses power is kinda lackluster while illusion is good gyarados really cant do much to good teams. once in a while itll get a surprise ko but you should honestly expect illusion when you see gyarados on preview and play safer

calling solg out is crazy and while its not the best it does do some stuff. no guard used to be a somewhat popular set, iirc electra said it was their favorite ng, and it just uses solg z to get sss. i would imagine prankster to be as a photon and sunsteel resist mon and prank steels are amazing generally. the council did forget fc im ngl which is a good set and can wall quite a few mmxs without moongeist or fire coverage which is common. moongeist is a bad argument since a lot of mons are weak to moongeist and are still good..like mega bro for example. by that logic, mbro should not be ranked. if you are staying into a mgar with solg thats honestly your problem. with that im actually nominating Fur Coat for solgaleo on vr.

yeah dawn wings is actually kinda fraud and it dies to lost photons and sunsteels and obviously moongeists with a crappy speed tier
 
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