Yeah no it's still been legal this entire time. Have you not been laddering or spectating?
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Project OM Mashup Megathread (Convergence Megamons @ #55 is OMM Spotlight!)
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Yeah no it's still been legal this entire time. Have you not been laddering or spectating?
Got it, sorry if that came off aggressive. Just a bit frustrated it's still around.
To try to post more positively, hit 1505 with one team and figured I'd share it.
:zygarde: :gholdengo: :great-tusk: :ceruledge: :groudon: :vaporeon:
As I posted earlier, :Gholdengo: is an excellent cleaner vs a lot of teams that don't pack solid ways to out a levitating Ghost/Steel. Recover tends to solve a lot of issues where Dengo gets slowly chipped to death, although in exchange you cannot touch Blissey at all. Ho-Oh is the only reason to run Power Gem over Psyshock or Make It Rain, but your mileage may vary.
:Ceruledge: isn't broken-per se-but this is by far the single most obnoxious mon to fight, and one of the most absurd to use. Sharpness Bitter Blade cleans up uprepared teams, and a lot of prepared teams cannot deal with Substitute. Sub was my answer to dealing with Heatranite mons who click status, like Ferrothorn, as well as giving a way to punish sacrifice switches. No Shadow Sneak is less important with Zygarde on the team, but...
:Zygarde: is just Utility Dragonite? Glare gives early game utility and gives time for Power Construct to activate, at which point Wishpassing with Vaporeon can get it back closer to full, where it can Coil and Tarrows. Waiting until last second to Mega can be nice for calling out mons assuming something else of it, and Altarianite is my preferred choice over Pinsirite just because I like Fairy more. A lot of games won't ever call for Altarianite to be used, so sitting on tarrowsspam never hurts.
:Great-Tusk: is rapid spin. there's nothing funny to add he clicks rapid spin, often also body slam for more status spreading, and clicks sr if the situation calls for it. it's kinda simple.
:Groudon: :Vaporeon: The two-step defensive core, Vaporeon tanks every special hit, while max bulk Groudon can just ignore physical attackers, especially with Wish support. Haze Vaporeon can turn off slow snowball mons and helps Zygarde and Tusk, who usually wind up eating a Toxic or Will-o at some point in a match. Will-o Groudon gives a way to deal with Altarianite Dragonite and burns in general are a very nice addition to letting Ceru or Dengo setup, and Dragon Tail works to bonk any setup mon that my team can't deal with through patience. It also bullies the hell out of Trick Room teams which is awesome
room for optimization, uh, more Toxic on say Vaporeon over Haze or Will-o on Pdon might be nice since it tends to have a bigger impact than just will-o burns
A better rapid spinner/switching Altarianite off Zygarde to Tusk can work, although I just found Pinsirite Tusk to work best when Altarianite is used on an espeeder
Sub on Ceru is optional over Shadow Sneak, I like it but mileage will vary
i'm a nobody so my opinions mean naught but if I can give one
fuck Absolite Z. 74 Speed and Sharpness are obnoxious as fuck and give Ceruledge and Kartana obscene cleanup potential without harming their usable bulk, and quite a few other mons like Iron Boulder use it pretty well. +2 Bitter Blade and +2 Leaf Blade/Sacred Sword do obscene damage late-game and even early game if they find time to setup. "Just use priority" isn't an excuse I like, especially given that the Espeeders often need to be used to answer other fast sweepers, and eating a hit from any of them may compromise them versus, say, the opposing Pixiespeeder the Absolite user's team has.
The fact a good number of special attackers I've seen on ladder unironically are using Absolite Z to get as high of speed as possible just...UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Garchompite Z makes you weak to Pixiespeed, weak to the rare Feraligite mons, and even drops your bulk with +49 speed
Diancite makes you frail as hell but +60 to atk/spatk/spe
Metagrossite and Absolite are the 'slowest' of the 'fast' mega stones that are actually good, but I'd say Metagrossite is realistically the only one you're using, giving good physical damage and slightly better bulk at the cost of only +40 speed
Absolite gives you a passable secondary typing, the highest speed, and doesn't affect your bulk at all.
Absolite Z is probably my single most hated part of the format rn and if it somehow became enough of a problem it got banned you'd make my dayweekmonthyear all that much better
The fact a good number of special attackers I've seen on ladder unironically are using Absolite Z to get as high of speed as possible just...UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Garchompite Z makes you weak to Pixiespeed, weak to the rare Feraligite mons, and even drops your bulk with +49 speed
Diancite makes you frail as hell but +60 to atk/spatk/spe
Metagrossite and Absolite are the 'slowest' of the 'fast' mega stones that are actually good, but I'd say Metagrossite is realistically the only one you're using, giving good physical damage and slightly better bulk at the cost of only +40 speed
Absolite gives you a passable secondary typing, the highest speed, and doesn't affect your bulk at all.
Absolite Z is probably my single most hated part of the format rn and if it somehow became enough of a problem it got banned you'd make my dayweekmonthyear all that much better
Another Flipped STAAABmons update!
:sv/sylveon::sv/Meloetta::sv/umbreon:
:sv/regigigas::sv/altaria:
:sv/sylveon::sv/Meloetta::sv/umbreon:
:sv/regigigas::sv/altaria:
Following a unanimous council vote, Population Bomb has been unrestricted!
Given the level of bulk of the Flipped STAAABmons meta, Beak Blast, and the need for a supplemental ability and/or item to fully realize its potential, the initial restriction of Population Bomb was an oversight.
After playtesting PopBomb’s utility in the meta, it rarely feels truly optimal for those with other options, but it does have some interesting use cases on mons such as Regigigas, Sharpness Meloetta, Aerialate Altaria, Pixilate Sylveon and Pixilate / Technician Umbreon.
This meta is gonna be interesting with this being the case
National Dex PokeAAA Update!
:sv/bisharp: :sv/clefable: :sv/dragonite:
Bisharp, Clefable, and Dragonite have been banned!
:bisharp: Bisharp is already banned in National Dex AAA, thanks to the overwhelming power of Knock Off and Pursuit in its arsenal. While Knock Off is just an all-around great STAB option that punishes its switch ins, Pursuit absolutely breaks Bisharp (and Kingambit as well). No special wall in the tier is safe. Aegislash, Blissey, Goodra-Hisui, Reuniclus, Ting-Lu, basically whatever you can throw at a special attacker can simply be pivoted into Bisharp and get trapped, enabling the wide variety of powerful special attackers in the format.
:clefable: Clefable is conceptually broken in Pokebilities AAA and was banned for simultaneously being the best defensive Pokemon and the best setup sweeper in the format.
:dragonite: Dragonite is quite the powerful pick in AAA formats, thanks to the ability to spam Aerilate-boosted Extremespeeds. It's unbanned in National Dex AAA because of the wider variety of Pokemon available to check it, and we decided to give it a chance here. Unfortunately, the addition of Pokebilities grants Dragonite an immunity to Intimidate, greatly buffing the Choice Band set, and enables fantastic setup sets using Multiscale. With the departure of Clefable, Dragonite has lost yet another check to it, and with very little remaining to stop it, Dragonite is banned once more.
The council also held a vote on Obstagoon and Tapu Lele, who were both banned in Gen 8 PokeAAA. Both Pokemon remain free and will be given a shot in the tier.
:obstagoon: Obstagoon's fantastic STABs of Facade and Knock Off made its most common sets (Quick Feet and Magic Guard) incredibly powerful, forcing its counters to run Dauntless Shield over Intimidate. This time around, the omnipresence of Fluffy makes Obstagoon significantly less effective, and we've decided to give it due process.
:tapu lele: Tapu Lele now retains Psychic Surge while adding another ability to its kit, making it quite powerful. It's one of the best choice item users, and has a great matchup into a lot of offensive and defensive Pokemon. Tapu Lele has also been given due process, because of the presence of walls like Aegislash, Goodra-Hisui, Slowking, and Ting-Lu to keep it in check.
:sv/bisharp: :sv/clefable: :sv/dragonite:
Bisharp, Clefable, and Dragonite have been banned!
:bisharp: Bisharp is already banned in National Dex AAA, thanks to the overwhelming power of Knock Off and Pursuit in its arsenal. While Knock Off is just an all-around great STAB option that punishes its switch ins, Pursuit absolutely breaks Bisharp (and Kingambit as well). No special wall in the tier is safe. Aegislash, Blissey, Goodra-Hisui, Reuniclus, Ting-Lu, basically whatever you can throw at a special attacker can simply be pivoted into Bisharp and get trapped, enabling the wide variety of powerful special attackers in the format.
:clefable: Clefable is conceptually broken in Pokebilities AAA and was banned for simultaneously being the best defensive Pokemon and the best setup sweeper in the format.
this pokemon is so broken i have no idea what inclined the council to free it again. this is the THIRD time a pokeaaa council has voted to free clefable despite my protests and i take great pleasure in gloating that I WAS RIGHT. unaware + magic guard eliminates two avenues of dealing with defensive Pokemon, in setting up on it and with passive damage. this means that your only option to defeat a setup clefable is to beat it down. the issue is that chosen ability. last generation, it was Dauntless Shield that broke it, giving it the neat +1 def to tank more hits and boost the bp on Stored Power. this time around, Fluffy did this but sooo much better. there was no way this thing was going to last. i would also like to point out that it gets Teleport, making it a fantastic utility pivot if for some reason your team didn't want the best defensive/setup Pokemon in history. RIP BOZO, see you in hell (Pokebilities Almost Any Ability Almost Anything Goes)
The council also held a vote on Obstagoon and Tapu Lele, who were both banned in Gen 8 PokeAAA. Both Pokemon remain free and will be given a shot in the tier.
:obstagoon: Obstagoon's fantastic STABs of Facade and Knock Off made its most common sets (Quick Feet and Magic Guard) incredibly powerful, forcing its counters to run Dauntless Shield over Intimidate. This time around, the omnipresence of Fluffy makes Obstagoon significantly less effective, and we've decided to give it due process.
:tapu lele: Tapu Lele now retains Psychic Surge while adding another ability to its kit, making it quite powerful. It's one of the best choice item users, and has a great matchup into a lot of offensive and defensive Pokemon. Tapu Lele has also been given due process, because of the presence of walls like Aegislash, Goodra-Hisui, Slowking, and Ting-Lu to keep it in check.
Hello, I tried a bit the new OMotM (Convergence Megamons) and am sharing my thoughts bout the meta, hoping it's the good thread for it:
in terms of power the tier is almost BH-level (some mons such as Kyogre can even run BH sets), with a huge distribution for moves like knock or spin, which enables long games. And do you know what gets better during fat games ?
Rage Fist.
:zamazenta: Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
Tera Type: Ghost
- No Retreat
- Rage Fist
- Low Kick
- Taunt
this is the rage fist-abusing set I took while laddering (top 1 currently). It's able to switch in many times, taunt to force opponents to activate rage fist, then regen, and when you are strong enough, just click no retreat twice, deny Ho-oh's whirlwind with taunt and kill everything with your incredible stab combo with the only drawback of wasting tera. Besides, it has a lot of options to bypass checks : I lost once to prankster+taunt that killed my prank+encore user / arceus-fight can be used instead of zama for better bulk if you don't already have another arceus / recover or drain punch can give it recovery during the sweep... rage fist was already uncompetitive in regular tiers by deterring uturn or rapid spin, but here, it's on a meta-defining sweeper (I used tera normal chesnaught only to check zama) and wallbreaker that already won me games where I had only three mons against six.
This is why I think Rage Fist (or primeape, at least) should be banned.
second thing: this guy
:miraidon: Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
- Electro Drift
- Draco Meteor
- Overheat
- Volt Switch
which is clearly weaker than zama. It feels like it does not deals enough damage to bulkier foes (arceus-fairy, swampert-mega, chesnaught-mega...) to be useful as it's weak to hazards and to cheap damage (or knock off, which is everywhere). What makes it dangerous is the lack of viable ground-types: the better ones are mega-pert, which is often played with unaware and then dies to DM x2, groudon (same thing, no special bulk) and mega-drill (same thing, self-explanatory). Barring them, Miraidon can click free volt switches, but ye, I haven't seen any terrain abusers (I even tried mega-drill with quark drive or unburden arceus-fight..), chesnaught can absorb many attacks even if overheat OHKOes it, and being choice-locked is harsh with the top 1 of usages running spiky shield and many regen users. The only issue is that hadron engine is also available on ampharos-mega, a stronger miraidon variant with thunderclap instead of speed.
I still don't know if the elec/dragon pool deserves a nerf but let us say there would still be zeraora-mega as an electric terrain setter.
ending with https://pokepast.es/308ef533fe8e48cf my team for #1 on ladder
in terms of power the tier is almost BH-level (some mons such as Kyogre can even run BH sets), with a huge distribution for moves like knock or spin, which enables long games. And do you know what gets better during fat games ?
Rage Fist.
:zamazenta: Zamazenta @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
Tera Type: Ghost
- No Retreat
- Rage Fist
- Low Kick
- Taunt
this is the rage fist-abusing set I took while laddering (top 1 currently). It's able to switch in many times, taunt to force opponents to activate rage fist, then regen, and when you are strong enough, just click no retreat twice, deny Ho-oh's whirlwind with taunt and kill everything with your incredible stab combo with the only drawback of wasting tera. Besides, it has a lot of options to bypass checks : I lost once to prankster+taunt that killed my prank+encore user / arceus-fight can be used instead of zama for better bulk if you don't already have another arceus / recover or drain punch can give it recovery during the sweep... rage fist was already uncompetitive in regular tiers by deterring uturn or rapid spin, but here, it's on a meta-defining sweeper (I used tera normal chesnaught only to check zama) and wallbreaker that already won me games where I had only three mons against six.
This is why I think Rage Fist (or primeape, at least) should be banned.
second thing: this guy
:miraidon: Miraidon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Hadron Engine
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
Tera Type: Fairy
- Electro Drift
- Draco Meteor
- Overheat
- Volt Switch
which is clearly weaker than zama. It feels like it does not deals enough damage to bulkier foes (arceus-fairy, swampert-mega, chesnaught-mega...) to be useful as it's weak to hazards and to cheap damage (or knock off, which is everywhere). What makes it dangerous is the lack of viable ground-types: the better ones are mega-pert, which is often played with unaware and then dies to DM x2, groudon (same thing, no special bulk) and mega-drill (same thing, self-explanatory). Barring them, Miraidon can click free volt switches, but ye, I haven't seen any terrain abusers (I even tried mega-drill with quark drive or unburden arceus-fight..), chesnaught can absorb many attacks even if overheat OHKOes it, and being choice-locked is harsh with the top 1 of usages running spiky shield and many regen users. The only issue is that hadron engine is also available on ampharos-mega, a stronger miraidon variant with thunderclap instead of speed.
I still don't know if the elec/dragon pool deserves a nerf but let us say there would still be zeraora-mega as an electric terrain setter.
ending with https://pokepast.es/308ef533fe8e48cf my team for #1 on ladder
btw its a general bug for showdown(including tghost falinks in normal play) but clicking no retreat on a ghost type currently does not properly give the "can't escape" flag(distinct from actually being trapped, relevant only for making no retreat fail) which causes the ghost type no retreat spam which isn't supposed to be a thing to exist. Imo it should prob be restricted until its fixed since its a bit busted
I played some games of convmega ladder, went 19-1. I probably could top ladder but atp the gain for win is +7 elo so it'll take way too long. #3 is fine. This meta is NOT playable rn, it feels like a day 1 BH gen where they free everything so you get to fuck around. Which is cool for a little, but the main meta post was in may, and it's november. Qbs are way overdue at this point
:arceus-fighting::cresselia::mewtwo::regigigas::copperajah::glimmora-mega:
This is the team I used the whole way, only made a couple small changes throughout. I think like all of this should be illegal, several opponents were surprised in chat that I could actually validate this. Feel free to steal it, it's really fun and brainless plus you only have about 2 days to use this before something gets banned. I feel like I'm qualified enough to talk on this meta now so here's what we need to get rid of:
:terapagos-stellar: Tera - The biggest problem, without tera you don't have to go full usum bh and run prank haze on stuff but this cranks offensive threats up beyond containability. You can get 2x stab on a broken move like espeed, boomburst, denergy, sunsteel, edrift etc and tear through all resists. You can go defensive tera on setup to block prio, prank, status, or any other counterplay. You can get stab on coverage to lure any check without trying. Too high power of a format for this
:cyclizar: Shed Tail - Not only is this free but people were acting like it's balanced? StockhOMM community strikes again. Mscept and rajah are both way too good at getting this up and then it's shed tail so yk what happens next. This cannot stay with how op setup is
:annihilape: Rage Fist - No clue why this is allowed, ladder is full of tera ghost zama and spooky plate fightceus sweeping in any position. You don't have to use no retreat setup either, you can go bulk up + drain punch or regenvest and it will enable rage fist all the same
:espathra: Speed Boost - This being legal for 6 months ijbol it's so easy to set up with mewtwo, psyceus, fireceus and then obviously you're checkless with boosted stored/ptrip, prank haze will only pretend to contain you especially if you have a second attack. I had many games where mewtwo set up for free then survived two prios in a row (thanks tera!) and swept. Don't worry abt positioning either, you can play like trash but if they have no hard counter it will win anyway
:arceus: Extreme Speed (and free ursa :ursaring:) - Espeed is obviously the problem here, banning ursa to nerf slakgigas is some of the worst tiering I've seen in a minute. Tera also makes espeed the problem since you can throw tera normal on any setup sweeper with espeed and give them fun abilities mono normals can't get like pheal, bounce, mold, fluffy, tinted and so many others. Not to mention the mons who don't need abils for stab espeed like protean sd pala or pixi zac. Even if you ban tera I'd still ban espeed over slakgigas cause they aren't going to be broken with dd facade if we're serious
:krookodile: Power Trip - Ban anything you want it isn't going to stop people spamming ptrip setup. Even if you ban tera and speed boost you still have stuff like dd pheal grassceus, mold coil palafin, bu prank taunt flyceus, coil espeed slakgigas, and don't expect any of these sets to share counters! It's clear where the problem lies
:falinks: No Retreat - I see people claim this as top 1 issue in tier but if you ban tera and rage fist then this is actually fine. Worst you can get is stored spooky fightceus, which has 4mss, and regular old zama, who is strong but not tier breaking. If you don't ban both of those then yes get rid of this, keeping tera means zama sets up like 90 times for free and keeping rage fist doesn't nerf fightceus
There is also some other stuff that seems like it will become broken later like lumina, mirai, and contrary, but with all this day 1 stuff free who really gaf? Just get to that later
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:ss/Regigigas: Convergence Megamons Update :ss/Slaking:
Now that convergence megamons has its ladder, it has a lot more hands handling the meta. We've had a great player base with a lot of involvement, so we felt it necessary to act on the centralizing and overpowered elements now that they're more clear and readily apparent.
tl:dr Regigigas, Slaking, Dragon Energy, and Miraidon are banned. No Retreat is bugged atm so it’s banned too. Ursaring and Rising Voltage unbanned.
Now that convergence megamons has its ladder, it has a lot more hands handling the meta. We've had a great player base with a lot of involvement, so we felt it necessary to act on the centralizing and overpowered elements now that they're more clear and readily apparent.
tl:dr Regigigas, Slaking, Dragon Energy, and Miraidon are banned. No Retreat is bugged atm so it’s banned too. Ursaring and Rising Voltage unbanned.
| x | BBP | Cherri | Sleepyfwog | aidanamoongus | RESULT |
| Regigigas and Slaking | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN (4-0) |
| Dragon Energy | BAN | BAN | DNB | BAN | BAN (3-1) |
| Mega Garchomp Z | DNB | DNB | BAN | DNB | DO NOT BAN (3-1) |
| Hadron Engine | BAN | Abstain | Abstain | DNB | DO NOT BAN (1-1-2) |
| Miraidon | DNB | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN (3-1) |
| Terastal Clause | Implement | DNI | Implement | DNI | DO NOT IMPLEMENT (2-2) |
:Regigigas::Slaking: ZU Normals have been running the metagame for a long time. Before they ran Adaptability, they ran Guts. I've proposed banning Arceus-Normal in the past so that they had no access to Extreme Speed, but that's not a good solution. Arceus-Normal is a viable mon in its own right, and it shouldn't be removed from its place in the meta due to repeat offenders. Banning Extreme Speed itself also is undesirable due to Arceus-Fairy and Zacian being good, viable, and unproblematic users.
:Garchomp-Mega-Z::Regidrago: Garchomp is like, very brainless. Spamming Denergy is one of the easiest things possible, and it seemingly requires a fairy or a positionable fairy tera on every team. We like what niche it fills enough to ban Dragon Energy instead. Convergence allows a great amount of freedom when it comes to tiering philosophy, and my understanding is that it's about minimizing collateral. Banning Denergy is a simple nerf to G-Z. I've been in the Arceus-Dragon meta. It is very bad.
:Miraidon: Miraidon is an under-utilized sidegrade to Garchomp. I would describe it as having a higher skill ceiling, which it can attribute to Calm Mind, Volt-Switch, and Thunderclap. It has a way better matchup into the few special walls that are in our tier, such as Kyogre, Fightceus, Drampa, etc.
:Floette-Mega: Terastal clause is at a stalemate. It is currently being used in various defensive and offensive applications. A lot of our tier is using Ubers-based tiering philosophy, so it would be nice for some more clearly broken stuff using it.
:Falinks-Mega::Zamazenta::Arceus-Fighting: No Retreat is bugged, it is going to be banned until it is fixed. Currently a Ghost Tera can let them boost at-will without switching out. Even if terastal clause was implemented, you could circumvent this with a Fightceus w/ Multitype and Spooky Plate.
PS: Ursaring and Rising Voltage unbanned
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Guess I should mention the script I have for teambuilding that functions with convmegamons
(needs tampermonkey or userscripts)
Download Link
Forms are freed, everything donates and appears in search, and bans will apply and update automatically.
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also comes with some other filters like !weak, pivot, removal, recovery, etc, as well as format importing for mashups teambuilding.
(needs tampermonkey or userscripts)
Download Link
Forms are freed, everything donates and appears in search, and bans will apply and update automatically.
also comes with some other filters like !weak, pivot, removal, recovery, etc, as well as format importing for mashups teambuilding.
Why is rage fist allowed here
Ability: Dazzling
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest/Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Stored Power
- Surf
- Ice Beam/Slack Off
- Fillet Away
Mega Starmie once set up, it gonna be hard to counter. If Mega Starmie tera to Fairy, Kyogre regenvest unable to use Dragon Tail. Opinion on Mega Starmie. Does Fillet Away need be ban or not ?
Shed tail is another annoying tool, most annoying of them Mega Sceptile scarf. There are 2 Pokemon that one is either Iron Defense Press or Shed tail Earth Eater & another is grandpa dragon either regenvest or Shed tail setter.
Sceptile-Mega @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shed Tail
- Leaf Storm
- Earth Power
- Draco Meteor
Aggron-Mega @ Leftovers
Ability: Earth Eater
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Recover
- Shed Tail
- Body Press
- Heavy Slam
Drampa-Mega @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD/ EVs: 248 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD
Bold/Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shed Tail
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower
- Focus Blast
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ragefist on its own is not a broken move, however because nr and stupid shit exists it is broken
ftr chesnaught takes 23-33 from ragefist and can take less if he has leech seed so
I don’t know if I’m being dumb but shouldn’t both of these work?
Those are both legal in the validator when I tried them. Maybe try again?
That’s so weird it’s still not working for me
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try rearranging them lol its convergence, it has a buggy code you should try moving the move
:ss/Sceptile-Mega:Convergence Megamons Slate 2:ss/Starmie-Mega:
tl;dr Komala, Power Trip, Regidrago, Shed Tail, Speed Boost, and Stored Power are banned. Comatose, Dragon Energy, and Zygarde-Mega are free.
tl;dr Komala, Power Trip, Regidrago, Shed Tail, Speed Boost, and Stored Power are banned. Comatose, Dragon Energy, and Zygarde-Mega are free.
| x | BandedBodyPress | aidanamoongus | sleepyfwog | Cherri | RESULT |
| Power Trip | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN (4-0) |
| Shed Tail | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN (4-0) |
| Speed Boost | Abstain | BAN | BAN | DNB | BAN (2-1-1) |
| Starmie-Mega | DNB | BAN | DNB | BAN | DNB (2-2) |
| Stored Power | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN | BAN (4-0) |
| Tiering Errors (Regidrago and Komala) | Implement | Implement | Abstain | Implement | Implement (3-0-1) |
| Zygarde-Mega | UNBAN | UNBAN | UNBAN | UNBAN | UNBAN (4-0) |
:Arceus-Fire::Arceus-Psychic::Mewtwo::Palafin-Hero: Stored Power, Power Trip, and Speed Boost. There are a lot of ways to run away with boosts already, and Power Trip and Stored Power exacerbate the problems in that by adding another dimension to their snowball while also playing around Unaware. It is very easy to get away with a boost set thanks to:
:Sceptile-Mega::Drampa-Mega::Aggron-Mega::Copperajah: Shed Tail. Any and all kinds of offense were incredibly easy to enable with Shed Tail. Sceptile and Drampa have access to regenerator, allowing both fast and slow Shed Tails. Aggron and Copperajah were more generally bulky enablers, although they don't have regenerator. When you make a OMM you have to swear an oath to not let Copperajah be viable. It's unnatural.
:Starmie-Mega: Mega Starmie was incredibly enabled by Stored Power and slow Shed Tail. Converging with Veluza gave it access to Fillet Away and Stored Power, letting it get up +2 to attack, special attack, and speed turn 2, so long as any of Copperajah, Aggron, or Drampa didn't take more than 75% on turn 1. Stored Power itself was also instantly shot up to 140 base power. If that wasn't enough, Dazzling from Bruxish let it deny priority as a way to stop its sweep. Well, why is it not banned? Because Shed Tail and Stored Power are as well. Starmie is not special in that it abused those two moves, even together. It was just the funniest at it. I also don't think these bans will kill Starmie's viability, mostly due to screens being able to enable it as well.
:Regidrago::Komala: Dragon Energy and Comatose should not have been banned, and them being so is my fault. Convergence Megamons is over 2 years old, so I made a mistake banning Comatose. Because I am now more thorough with how I tier, I let the precedent of the Comatose ban justify banning DEnergy. My bad! Fixing that.
:Zygarde-Mega: Okay Garchomp time is over now that Dragon's Maw is unfortunately no longer legal. It's time for a real special attacker. Zygun was not allowed initially due to its massive bulk, massive special attack, and its mediocre speed. We are willing to see it through, as Garchomp-Z was running things for awhile. Zygun could be a new G-Z, but with scarf, a secondary stab, ground immunity, and pivoting. Or it could play to its innate strengths as a BO pivot. We'll see.
Wow yeah that worked, thank you!
Got #1 with a rain team (whilst trying not to use banned pokemon despite every team having 4)
:dondozo::palkia-origin::greninja-mega::dialga-origin::urshifu-rapid-strike::arceus-ghost:
With bans not being in still, a lot of mons are genuinely unbeatable. Like what counters regigigas? literally nothing. Ghostceus only beats it if my opponent is an idiot and ran sd espeed knock eq(???) on it. It can be tidy lum, clear amulet, beat up, taunt, its just broken. And zama/arc-fighting are so hard to beat that despite having 2 of the best theoretical checks in the game, I still need to run dtail + roar dondozo since shed tail is also broken. Megachomp is 2hkoing blissey so im glad thats gone too.
As for the meta once bans finally come in:
:zygarde-mega: why are we freeing this, it has more physical bulk than :ting-lu: and more special bulk than :ho-oh:. The mon with 216 spa shouldn't be the literal bulkiest mon in the tier. Plus it has a great movepool which makes it really hard to hard counter. Did anyone playtest it to check how broken it is or are we just going let it free for the rest of the month and deal with it?
:arceus: Guts espeed is very sus. I think this could be as good as gigas since its faster plus can avoid status without lum. Less open moveslots though so probably fine.
:light-clay: Kinda just has to go, its too prevalent and enables too much.
:regigigas::slaking: Glad these guys are gone but I think espeed is still going to be very scary on a lot of mons (especially when they can pull it out of nowhere, fairceus could easily be mglo for all I know)
:groudon-primal::kyogre-primal::necrozma-ultra: can we free these guys while we're at it :D (but unironically unecro might be kinda cool)
Anyway hopefully bans come in soon.
:dondozo::palkia-origin::greninja-mega::dialga-origin::urshifu-rapid-strike::arceus-ghost:
With bans not being in still, a lot of mons are genuinely unbeatable. Like what counters regigigas? literally nothing. Ghostceus only beats it if my opponent is an idiot and ran sd espeed knock eq(???) on it. It can be tidy lum, clear amulet, beat up, taunt, its just broken. And zama/arc-fighting are so hard to beat that despite having 2 of the best theoretical checks in the game, I still need to run dtail + roar dondozo since shed tail is also broken. Megachomp is 2hkoing blissey so im glad thats gone too.
As for the meta once bans finally come in:
:zygarde-mega: why are we freeing this, it has more physical bulk than :ting-lu: and more special bulk than :ho-oh:. The mon with 216 spa shouldn't be the literal bulkiest mon in the tier. Plus it has a great movepool which makes it really hard to hard counter. Did anyone playtest it to check how broken it is or are we just going let it free for the rest of the month and deal with it?
:arceus: Guts espeed is very sus. I think this could be as good as gigas since its faster plus can avoid status without lum. Less open moveslots though so probably fine.
:light-clay: Kinda just has to go, its too prevalent and enables too much.
:regigigas::slaking: Glad these guys are gone but I think espeed is still going to be very scary on a lot of mons (especially when they can pull it out of nowhere, fairceus could easily be mglo for all I know)
:groudon-primal::kyogre-primal::necrozma-ultra: can we free these guys while we're at it :D (but unironically unecro might be kinda cool)
Anyway hopefully bans come in soon.
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:sv/greninja-mega: :sv/arceus-fairy: :sv/dondozo: :sv/miraidon: :sv/pecharunt: :sv/zamazenta:
https://pokepast.es/57da215300d05462
posted this team a couple times in discord. pretty comfortable calling this the final version. playable mu into every broken threat in the meta(bar starmie and taunt ptrippers since those guys are broken asl).
Primal Kyogre is never going to be unbanned, its way too strong. Like it is going to be the most schrodinger's guy of all time with no ifs and buts. Mixed Sets, Regenvest, it will literally rob the entire water meta and keep it to itself. nothing will beat it, nothing will outpace its power.
rest of the guys uh Primal Groudon could be unfreed emphasis on the COULD because that guy gets solid rock and primal groudon bulk. It would probably be fine, but its pdon at the end of the day.
im pretty sure all three of these are borderline of being unbanned and banned because we would then fall into formemons category and we can't exactly do that I am pretty sure
well yes but actually no