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Yes. That's what the math was for. Freezing. Did I not make that clear?

You said something to the effect of "the problem with Kyurem is the FREEZING" and then plunged the thread into an absolute clusterfuck where almost nothing but freezing was discussed.

Blissey and Jirachi are even better at freezing things thanks to Serene Grace. Ban Blissey and Jirachi.

For starters, others making comments that you considered a collective "clusterfuck" is really not in my control. Secondly, Jirachi clicking Ice Punch and Blissey clicking Ice Beam, while better at freezing, are worse in almost every way than Kyurem Ice Beam / Freeze dry. I am truly very confused as to what case you're trying to make.

The case I'm trying to make is putting so much focus on freezing is stupid.

I disagree, as do many other high level players. You can read through the posts of me and others on metagame discussion to see why. If you have any intelligent and well founded claims, I'd love to hear you contribute to the discussion.

Oh I read them as they were pouring in. Some of them correctly identified freezing as the icing (heh) on top of the Kyurem cake (including you sometimes, you seem to have backpedaled on the "freeze is everything" stance) but the topic seems to have died down and I'm not about to reignite that shitstorm.

I did not backpedal on anything. My original post stated exactly what all my other posts backed up: that Kyurem was a very very good pokemon due to other factors, but freezing is what puts it over the edge and makes it uncompetitive. Don't misinform or put words in my mouth. Please don't contact me again until you have actual discussion points instead of complaints.