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  1. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    cutting the quote down to avoid wall of texting; I think the legitimate answer is two-fold: 1.) Shed tail costs 50% of hp, not 25%. While this is made up for in being a single move, it means that any significant chip turns the move straight off, and if you fail to sub you don't pass at all...
  2. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    I still think dondozo can do a lot to wall out chien, but I was playing yawn/protect at lower ranks lol. Set did get better with no shed tail tho
  3. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    I Played around with orth. The problem is it is so much easier to hit to half than cyc due to it’s speed tier, and without regenerator it’s going to struggle to ever shed tail twice.
  4. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Im sorry, didnt mean to imply otherwise lol. I said pro-shed-tail but should have said /pro cyclizar. re:espathra, with the calcs ive seen the dark type counters dont struggle with tera fairy, even with chi-yu gone and screens support. Kingambit, for example, can reliably click iron head and...
  5. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Can someone who is pro-keep-shedtail and pro-ban espathra explain the logic to me? I feel like espathra desperately needs sub support to ever set up enough to kill the dark types in the tier, even accounting for tera…
  6. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Hard disagree here. If you agree that the problem with espathra is shed tail, why is the bird a quickban and cyclizar a suspect?
  7. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    I'd still be considering covert cloak if nuzzle hatterene sticks around as a thing people are running
  8. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    The problem is, all evidence shows that Orthworm, the other shed tail user, sucks even with it. This is different to tag\trap, which were so good ou teams would run NFEs just to access them.
  9. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Also, of note, nobody would be arguing against cloak if scald still meaningfully existed in gen 9
  10. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Id be very surprised if espathra needs any form of action if cyclizar gets axed; shed tail seems super important to espathra functioning, even more-so than tera prr calcs
  11. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    I wanna note further that a major issue is that between the two they have a major shared Chi-yu weakness... which, as previously noted, is atleast being suspected if not outright quickbanned. I suspect you see both mons shoot up even stronger in power post-chi-yu, and potentially post-shed tail...
  12. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Fish specifically is a problem because it can beatoffensive teams too by being fast and stupidly high output. Dengo isn't a problem because it beats stall teams, arguably stall teams have a decent MU into string man because of Salt Cure and Clod being a good check. Dengo just makes hazards awful...
  13. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Just wanted to poke in and say I'm like 90% sure you fix both volc and Dnite by banning cyclizar\shed tail, which imo is the major "do it now" you missed.
  14. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    you mean the chi-yu that's about to be quickbanned for this exact reason? that chi-yu? the chi-yu that's specifically getting quick-banned? Chi-yu's quickban?
  15. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    ...its entirely different interface? with the camera moving in 3d space it'd be a lot harder to track a little gem on the health bar of your opponent's mons. I also wanna again note the color issue; I don't actually think Showdown's menu icon is recognizable enough for colorblind folks
  16. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    if a mon teras early, switches out and stays out for 6+ turns, then switches back in, are you sure you'll remember it's type? What if you're color blind, or the mon has multiple similarly colored types viable (ground and rock for example)?
  17. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    This came up a bunch in the suspect thread; "how many mons need to be banned purely for tera for the mechanic to be worth banning"? ITs an answer that different people, especially across the no action vs full ban divide, disagreed on. What I will say is, based on current discussion and meta...
  18. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    oh shit okay, ya got me, well played
  19. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    Their own chi-yu OR skeledirge, AND they didn't use a tera at all.
  20. Metagame SV OU Metagame Discussion

    ...no? Literally the equivalent of making a presidential election recount "in case it was a fluke." The only way anything would change is if you didn't properly announce it and some number of no-action voters miss the second announcement.
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