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It doesn't exist. We know it WILL, but it doesn't as of now ;) Although in other cases, we assume a state of nonexistence until proven otherwise (doing it the other way around is essentially impossible without actually asking Nintendo) I personally hope Eccentric Ditto is never released. It's...

I would probably use Wide Lens over Life Orb on the Zap Cannon set, just for that extra accuracy.

Erufuun + Shanderaa = free set up on basically anything (and Erufuun is actually useful, too).

So somebody screws up with Shanderaa, proving it's absolute junk? What? What sane person would leave Shanderaa in on an SD Poke that poses a threat to it, unless there was literally nothing they could do?

Player X switched in Scizor! Player Y's Mamoswine used Ice Shard! (it does crap) Player Y switched in Shanderaa! Player X's Scizor used Bullet Punch! (it does crap) Player Y switched in Doryuuzu! Player X's Scizor used Bullet Punch! (it does crap) Player Y's Doryuuzu used Swords Dance...

Can Stealth Rocks no longer be blown away by Rapid Spin? Or are they not spun away if the spinner is KOd due to Iron Thorns/Rugged Helmet? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfZmyuwkKI

I was arguing against people who said that Choice Band Roopushin was worthless because of ST Shandera >.>

Too bad that won't be what the official metagame will be. You can run ST Shanderaa on PO and PL all you want, but Smogon won't recognize it. If this thread was titled "Threats on PO", I might agree with you, but currently, ST Shanderaa isn't a threat. Not to mention switching a Ghost into...

Which doesn't even exist right now. I honestly don't get why people say "LOL CB sucks cuz Shanderaa". It's not released and we don't know if it ever will be :/

I have no idea why you would stay in against a Shanderaa with either of the two, unless they switched into a Payback >.>

The problem with using Roopushin as a counter to either one is that you have a 50% chance that your attack will be severely weakened (i.e. They either switch or stay, and you'll use either Payback or Mach Punch). Breloom also does fairly well against it.

A Suicune with more HP EVs can STILL survive, then easily OHKO all kinds of Dorys due to the 10% damage they take from LO. Plus, switching anything into ANY +2, fast pokemon is suicide most of the time. You should be switching your Dory counter in on the setup (since non-setup Dorys are far...

Bold 40/252 Hydro Pump Suicune can come in on a set-up and OHKO even the bulkiest of Dory's (252/0 or 0/252), which I think is even better than that other stuff.

The problem with Sandslash is that it can't deal with a Balloonuuzu, which is a very common set. Plus, it has to be specifically designed for the purpose of dealing with Doryuuzu. I would prefer the Suicune set that I posted earlier (well, not a set; more like a spread) for use as a counter...

Dory without +2 isn't nearly as threatening as a Dory with +2.

Iron Fist Roopushin doesn't exist yet :P Mach Punch actually becomes 48 BP with Iron Fist anyways.

You shouldn't be sacrificing that 10% extra attack JUST to avoid a Dory vs Dory, Last vs Last situation. If that's happening enough where Jolly would actually benefit you...You need to rethink your battle plan.

Aside from the fact that the thing dies from a +2 Earthquake and doesn't Outspeed, right?

Guts is probably going to be preferred over Encourage, because the only notable moves boosted by Encourage are Rock Slide (100 STAB BP, 90 Accuracy) and Poison Jab (106 BP, 100 Accuracy). Sure, Rock Slide is great, but it all comes down to whether you can switch into a predicted Status attack...

Bold 252/252 Suicune takes 59.7~70.5% from a +2 Adamant Earthquake. Jolly instead of Adamant makes the EQ deal ~5% less. With those EVs, the same Suicune doesn't OHKO back with Surf against a 0/0 Dory, and most Dory's I've seen invest in some HP. However, a 48/252 Bold Suicune takes 68.3~80.7%...