“That One Pokémon You Just Have Beef With”

bdt2002

Guardian Signs super-fan
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Where I come from, the phrase “having beef with” something gets thrown around a decent amount. It usually means that someone has a stronger dislike of someone or something. For example, I bet a lot of fans of the Johto games, pardon the cow pun, could say they had beef with Whitney’s Miltank back in the day. It makes sense, too, this is a pretty strong Pokémon for a Gym battle at that point in the game, and options for available counterplay aren’t completely absent but are fairly limited. Enough people have played a Johto game and, by extension, probably dealt with this Miltank to where the Pokémon’s legacy is almost entirely tied to Whitney herself.

This served as inspiration for a new thread I wanted to make. It feels like wherever you look, most Pokémon fans you’ll run into, especially returning fans to the mainline games, are going to have some kind of story about one or two Pokémon in particular that, for whatever their reason is, they just absolutely hate on a personal level. A lot of the time it’s not even because they dislike the Pokémon, either. It could be anything, really. If I’m being completely honest, I mainly just want to hear people’s stories and let you guys share with each other. I’ll get this discussion kicked off with an example of my own.

:dp/kingdra:

On paper, Kingdra is a really cool Pokémon, and to its credit the changes brought about in Gen 6 absolutely gutted this thing. Pretty much every change in Gen 6 that I can think of indirectly nerfed this Pokémon. In reality, though, this thing is absolutely terrifying to me. Let’s put this into context. Seahorses are pretty cute animals, usually pretty small, if a bit unfortunate in the wild with the rough hand they were dealt as a species. By comparison, my height officially registers in at around 5’11”, or just under 180 centimeters for anyone that prefers the metric system.

Imagine a seahorse that is also a dragon, that is MY HEIGHT, and can breathe paralyzing energy and can create large whirlpools capable of altering the flow of the water and possibly drowning anyone or anything that swims too close to this thing. Yeah, nope, I’m good. But wait, it gets worse. “Let’s also introduce this Pokémon to the masses in one of the hardest Gym battles in the region,” Game Freak must have said during a 1999 press conference. “Let’s also proceed to do the same thing again in Emerald and lazily give Juan the same ace as Clair from the last games, and put it in the Elite Four, and start throwing Kingdra into a bunch of spinoff boss fights on top of that.” I’m not exaggerating when I say that Kingdra is pretty much single handedly keeping me from wanting to play Pokémon Emerald, because I kid you not, practically every single time I even graze this thing’s presence, even on Pokémon, Kingdra just happens to be able to find some way to get me really angry and upset. It’s like clockwork.

It got so bad at one point that, following me watching some unrelated YouTube videos where the person also said he was sick of seeing this thing so much, I actually started a running gag that’s carried over to my writing that me and my fictional Pokémon character (so basically just the player character in-game) had a chronic fear of this thing going as far back as HeartGold & SoulSilver. Being someone that primarily only played the DS games (Gens 4-5) back then, I also realized, “Hey, both of the first two Ranger games also have Kingdra boss fights”, ironically leaving Guardian Signs, the one Ranger game you would expect to have a Kingdra boss fight given the high usage of Johto Pokémon, as the only game without one. Because that makes sense. In any case, yeah, this thing drives me insane and I don’t know if I have it in me to feel bad for it and want it to get any kinds of buffs following Gen 6’s changes to the games. It’s not actually a scary Pokémon or anything, but I think it was neat how I was able to find some positivity from the Pokémon that gave me this much trouble when I was younger. My beef with Kingdra’s always going to be there, but nowadays I would say it’s more like a respected rivalry that also happens to be terrifying to think about existing in real life whenever people say they want Pokémon to be real.

TLDR; between the difficulty spikes it brings with it, the inconsistency with where and when you would expect it to show up in different games, and because it started out terrifying but arguably got nerfed way too hard, Kingdra represents a lot of what I don’t like out of a Pokémon. And did I mention this thing is my height in real life? That’s horrifying.
 
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Hoo boy

:sv/Greedent:

I have no rationality in my absolute hatred for this stupid squirrel. It's just the generic Route 1 Normal, and yet everything about it just infuriates me. Its design is absolutely hideous yet Gamefreak always insists on making it visible in SV with its close-up Dex picture or the Ogre-Oustin appearances. I hate its dumb derpy grin because it just annoys me seeing this thing happy even when I'm beating it down for EXP. Everyone's made the Peter Griffin joke, but it's also trying too hard to be goofy-fun by being a fat idiot. Most other Route 1 Rodents at least had some bite to them like Raticate, Linoone, or Watchog, and otherwise didn't feel like they were "intentionally silly" to me outside of maybe Bidoof/Bibarel.

Gameplay wise it's a bunch of "have fun hitting any Normal resist" moves and a slow tank statline which just drags things out longer for in-game playthroughs. This mon has nothing to offer beyond filling another page in the dex. Even in Pokemon Go where things can have different value to play with, Greedent's only contribution is being a Normal Filler during Galar content, and being a fat lump that took forever to get nerfed out of PvP relevance by spamming Body Slam (similar sins to Lickitung). If I never have to see this thing again, it'll be too soon, and it's the main reason I actively minimize playing any game or area where it's common because I refuse to keep one even as a shiny. Screw this squirrel
 
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this fucker
 
The upside of being an early-revealed common mon for a game is being remembered as representing that game going forward. The downside is being remembered as representing that game going forward.
:ss/corviknight:
Galar will probably always evoke a feeling of loss for me. As far as how strongly I was feeling, Dexit being casually announced was a significantly bigger deal than my own university graduation on the same day. I never liked rotation in TCGs, any justification for reducing power creep doesn't work for me (wouldn't the new stuff need to be fancier to convince people to replace their playset entirely rather than incrementally). So why is that pain focused on Corviknight specifically? My favourite mon is Skarmory.

Part of what I like about Skarm is that it makes great use of entry hazards, with not only access to both Spikes and Stealth Rock, but the ability to trigger that damage more via Whirlwind. Gen 8 is famous for nerfing hazards with the introduction of Heavy-Duty Boots, but I also can't help but notice that my favourite mon's replacement not only can't set any hazards, but the effect of its GMax move is to Defog.

Corviknight also can't learn Toxic, because Gen 8 is when it stopped being universal. While I primarily play NatDex formats that avoid the bulk of unnecessary cuts, absence of Toxic still stands as a stark reminder that a series I used to play enthusiastically has moved on from me. This mon specifically is the reason why Steel may be losing to Poison as my favourite type.

Heck, given I much prefer the older style of map rather than anything derived from the Wild Area, Corviknight being a main way of getting places in Galar is probably also a point against it.
 
Hoo boy

:sv/Greedent:

I have no rationality in my absolute hatred for this stupid squirrel. It's just the generic Route 1 Normal, and yet everything about it just infuriates me. Its design is absolutely hideous yet Gamefreak always insists on making it visible in SV with its close-up Dex picture or the Ogre-Oustin appearances. I hate its dumb derpy grin because it just annoys me seeing this thing happy even when I'm beating it down for EXP. Everyone's made the Peter Griffin joke, but it's also trying too hard to be goofy-fun by being a fat idiot. Most other Route 1 Rodents at least had some bite to them like Raticate, Linoone, or Watchog, and otherwise didn't feel like they were "intentionally silly" to me outside of maybe Bidoof/Bibarel.

Gameplay wise it's a bunch of "have fun hitting any Normal resist" moves and a slow tank statline which just drags things out longer for in-game playthroughs. This mon has nothing to offer beyond filling another page in the dex. Even in Pokemon Go where things can have different value to play with, Greedent's only contribution is being a Normal Filler during Galar content, and being a fat lump that took forever to get nerfed out of PvP relevance by spamming Body Slam (similar sins to Lickitung). If I never have to see this thing again, it'll be too soon, and it's the main reason I actively minimize playing any game or area where it's common because I refuse to keep one even as a shiny. Screw this squirrel
What makes this family even more irrelevant is the fact that not only did we get Galarian Zigzagoon in the same region but the game explicitly says Zigzagoon is originally from Galar and that the old one are the ones that changed over time. There is almost no reason to want to use this thing when they and by extension the new Obstagoon also exist. This is Lapras & Walrein Vs. Dewgong levels of “Why use this when you can use this?”.


Speaking as someone who is a really big Espeon fan I even tried making my own holiday for it I respect your opinion but I also have to wonder if there’s a story here. I’m not going to ask what that story is- you never know what other people have been through, and I’d like to remind respectful- but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t a little curious.

The upside of being an early-revealed common mon for a game is being remembered as representing that game going forward. The downside is being remembered as representing that game going forward.
:ss/corviknight:
Galar will probably always evoke a feeling of loss for me. As far as how strongly I was feeling, Dexit being casually announced was a significantly bigger deal than my own university graduation on the same day. I never liked rotation in TCGs, any justification for reducing power creep doesn't work for me (wouldn't the new stuff need to be fancier to convince people to replace their playset entirely rather than incrementally). So why is that pain focused on Corviknight specifically? My favourite mon is Skarmory.

Part of what I like about Skarm is that it makes great use of entry hazards, with not only access to both Spikes and Stealth Rock, but the ability to trigger that damage more via Whirlwind. Gen 8 is famous for nerfing hazards with the introduction of Heavy-Duty Boots, but I also can't help but notice that my favourite mon's replacement not only can't set any hazards, but the effect of its GMax move is to Defog.

Corviknight also can't learn Toxic, because Gen 8 is when it stopped being universal. While I primarily play NatDex formats that avoid the bulk of unnecessary cuts, absence of Toxic still stands as a stark reminder that a series I used to play enthusiastically has moved on from me. This mon specifically is the reason why Steel may be losing to Poison as my favourite type.

Heck, given I much prefer the older style of map rather than anything derived from the Wild Area, Corviknight being a main way of getting places in Galar is probably also a point against it.
Now this I can get behind. Galar’s probably my least favorite core series region and I’m also not one for the world map style or Pokémon feeling like repeated versions of things we’ve already seen. Somehow this stupid bird managed to check off all three boxes at the same time. I can understand not wanting to buff Skarmory too, too much if you’re the developers, but A. its original counterpart Mantine got an HP buff and Skarmory didn’t, and B. Replacing Skarmory with something like this does nothing to fix the problems they themselves created. All it does is make the typing feel more crowded after the previous generation also had the admittedly very different-feeling Celesteela following five generations of it just being Skarmory. So much for the typing being unique, huh? At least Poison’s looking pretty cool. What’s your opinion on finally having the first Poison/Steel-Types, then?

:sv/Clefable:



Dont gotta say much else.
Neither do I. I know exactly what you (might) be referring to. Aaaand then there’s Wigglytuff over in the corner getting basically nothing while Game Freak insists on only pushing this Pokémon like it’s the Lakers/Clippers rivalry.
 
Neither do I. I know exactly what you (might) be referring to. Aaaand then there’s Wigglytuff over in the corner getting basically nothing while Game Freak insists on only pushing this Pokémon like it’s the Lakers/Clippers rivalry.
As a Go player, Wigglytuff deserves NOTHING outside of the Mystery Dungeon series. Charm spam brainless fat pillow.
 
:ss/coalossoal:

I don’t need to elaborate. The only good thing this did was inspire my own region and dex in a word document
 
Huh gotta be flutter mane or ting lu. At least the legends won't be legal always...in case it matters. Might not, cause mons like those two have put me off trying competitive anymore for at least the gen(I guess a very particular new reg could cause me to try it a bit but meh.) Too ubiquitous, defeats the point of having over 1k mons...and the things are too strong ofc. Flutter is absurdly fast, powerful, and good typing. Ting is just too fat.

I loved mismagius, and I did ok in history, so it's a testament to how dumb flutter is that I dislike mismagius's pre evo's old version so much. Actually, I probably hate that one more, ting isn't weak to enough, but it's a bit weak to at least some stuff I happen to like ...

Before the flutter nonsense this gen(still in sv, before paradox was legal,) dnite got the whole hate. But it fell into ting category, where not enough beats but things I like do better.
 
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