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NOC 11p gen 1 closed setup (D4 End: Dec 25 at 5 PM PST)

it would be very funny to vote out celever right now after he posted those massive walls of text

but i don't think it's him

question though: does a maf former ever see celever's 'slip' and interpret it as such?
 
Though I think it was a reaction test

What are you talking about here?

I don't hate Celever's reaction to the Former fakeclaim because tbh I assumed it was fake too, but I'm kinda ? on him pointing out the Former claim probably being fake in game thread but that's more of a "why do this" thing than "this is scummy". I'm kinda mulling over the possibility of Celever/Tommy because there are reasons it could be real, but I don't really suspect Tommy independently which makes me feel like it's a bad read to get into.

My confidence in town Clarinet is definitely sinking a bit. The bottom of page 12 is weird. Why do you have Eagle as scum here btw?
 
it would be very funny to vote out celever right now after he posted those massive walls of text

but i don't think it's him

question though: does a maf former ever see celever's 'slip' and interpret it as such?
Walls of text aren't actually alignment indicative. ISO's are infamously easy to fake and simply convince people you are town just because there are walls to read. Ignore it, its just noise.
 
What are you talking about here?

I don't hate Celever's reaction to the Former fakeclaim because tbh I assumed it was fake too, but I'm kinda ? on him pointing out the Former claim probably being fake in game thread but that's more of a "why do this" thing than "this is scummy". I'm kinda mulling over the possibility of Celever/Tommy because there are reasons it could be real, but I don't really suspect Tommy independently which makes me feel like it's a bad read to get into.

My confidence in town Clarinet is definitely sinking a bit. The bottom of page 12 is weird. Why do you have Eagle as scum here btw?

I meant I think former was reaction testing me, if former is town he definitely thinks it's a slip but it begs the question why he isn't really pushing harder saying "if" celever I'd mafia. He's not confident it's a slip
 
it would be very funny to vote out celever right now after he posted those massive walls of text
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but i don't think it's him
<3
question though: does a maf former ever see celever's 'slip' and interpret it as such?
From one perspective, he kinda has to stick to his guns because it's his only contribution today. If he backtracks on this, he loses a lot of face.
 
What are you talking about here?

I don't hate Celever's reaction to the Former fakeclaim because tbh I assumed it was fake too, but I'm kinda ? on him pointing out the Former claim probably being fake in game thread but that's more of a "why do this" thing than "this is scummy". I'm kinda mulling over the possibility of Celever/Tommy because there are reasons it could be real, but I don't really suspect Tommy independently which makes me feel like it's a bad read to get into.

My confidence in town Clarinet is definitely sinking a bit. The bottom of page 12 is weird. Why do you have Eagle as scum here btw?
I won't even lie, a solid 50% of my read on Tommy is that I saw the slip that Celever said and in my mind my first thought was that it sounds like something Tommy would say. Then looked back and there's a bit of uncharacteristic language from Tommy re: Celever and so buddying seems entirely possible.

Also I must have missed that, Tommy is scumreading Eagle?
 
Walls of text aren't actually alignment indicative. ISO's are infamously easy to fake and simply convince people you are town just because there are walls to read. Ignore it, its just noise.
Pointing out that I said this already on like the last page I think. This is painting me as trying to garner town cred when I already said posting walls isn't town cred.
 
I won't even lie, a solid 50% of my read on Tommy is that I saw the slip that Celever said and in my mind my first thought was that it sounds like something Tommy would say. Then looked back and there's a bit of uncharacteristic language from Tommy re: Celever and so buddying seems entirely possible.

Also I must have missed that, Tommy is scumreading Eagle?

Was
 
I won't even lie, a solid 50% of my read on Tommy is that I saw the slip that Celever said and in my mind my first thought was that it sounds like something Tommy would say. Then looked back and there's a bit of uncharacteristic language from Tommy re: Celever and so buddying seems entirely possible.

Also I must have missed that, Tommy is scumreading Eagle?

I think we're looking at different things wrt potential links between them, ftr. There was something I thought might have been a slip in my ISO before I realised there was a plausible explanation for it.

I was talking about Clarinet there, that was a disconnected thought.
 
Former is my buddy Tommy or BGB or both because you literally can't have it both ways and still have a coherent argument unless you think you game solved on D1 with a whole 3-man scumteam.
 
Yeah see like....I don't think town you ever actually posts this....like. This post is so unlike you.

There is actually statistical proof to back this up it's not my opinion it is a fact that in vast majority of mafia games town poster is town. Far higher than the rand.

Would I give a read based on just this? No because then every mafia player would just spam to try get a free tr from me but celever has provided a lot of good content without really being forced to which is towny. He just tryharded a lot and could scum do it yes but I think it's much more likely to come from town genuinely solving.

You should probably to, but idrc if you don't. However, thinking that I can't have a real townread on celever based on the content that he provided earlier today, isn't just disagreeing with me which you are entitled to do, it's imo completely disregarding and shading a very justifiable read from my position. Why this is happening? Maybe you are mafia, maybe you are playing bad or maybe you are just over paranoid about me slot but if it's one of the latter two please stop. You can disagree with my read but it's definitely not the worst read I've had this game.

I literally said I am townreading Charlie because I want him to be town
 
Walls of text aren't actually alignment indicative. ISO's are infamously easy to fake and simply convince people you are town just because there are walls to read. Ignore it, its just noise.

yeah i'm not saying it's alignment indicative i'm saying that after all the effort celever went through to post those walls of text it would be great fun to vote him out

I won't even lie, a solid 50% of my read on Tommy is that I saw the slip that Celever said and in my mind my first thought was that it sounds like something Tommy would say. Then looked back and there's a bit of uncharacteristic language from Tommy re: Celever and so buddying seems entirely possible.

what sounded like something tommy would say? 'from the sounds of it these kinds of gambits are common for you' is a very generic turn of phrase, i'm not sure how you can gage it as characteristic of a certain player
 
He's entitled to have multiple reads and not the exact team D1 tbf I don't see anything wrong with this part
As far as I can tell his case on me only works if BGB is my theorised buddy because otherwise I wouldn’t be “forced to react” as mafia, is why I asked. If BGB isn’t my buddy his suspicion on me is unfounded and since he’s suspicious of you by connection with me his whole platform falls through.
 
As far as I can tell his case on me only works if BGB is my theorised buddy because otherwise I wouldn’t be “forced to react” as mafia, is why I asked. If BGB isn’t my buddy his suspicion on me is unfounded and since he’s suspicious of you by connection with me his whole platform falls through.

He's suspicious of you because he thinks you slipped
 
He's suspicious of you because he thinks you slipped
Ah you’re right I keep forgetting with all his talk about how his gambit “forced mafia to respond” but he’s never said why that’s the case so I made up my own explanation.

I’m very happy to just ignore him until D2 cos he doesn’t seem to be dropping this bad gambit.
 
I reread Clarinet.

(Former posts his initial guilty)
I believe

unvote Dusk

Vote Bluegummybear

[should be badgummybear]
(Former clarified the guilty was real between posts)
No more of this bologna, Former! Nuxl wouldn't start a game with a cop having a mafia peek

Bgd is a slight scumlean, but it has nothing to do with your false 'peek'
Eagle, at that time, I didn't trust Former, but my vote was real!

gummy felt fishy
(Former retracted between posts)
unvote bluegummy

hate former's troll
I'm not automatically townleaning gummy, but that false 'peek' made things more complicated

if gummy is scum, former did more harm than good

Why is Clarinet not voting for BGB anymore? Did he just forget why he was scumreading him before the reaction test? It's weird BGB and Clarinet were posting at the same time at the bottom of Page 12 and Clarinet didn't try to push BGB at all for anything even when BGB asked them a question. I don't like this progression very much.

Vote: Clarinet
 
I reread Clarinet.

(Former posts his initial guilty)

(Former clarified the guilty was real between posts)


(Former retracted between posts)

Why is Clarinet not voting for BGB anymore? Did he just forget why he was scumreading him before the reaction test? It's weird BGB and Clarinet were posting at the same time at the bottom of Page 12 and Clarinet didn't try to push BGB at all for anything even when BGB asked them a question. I don't like this progression very much.

Vote: Clarinet

I will say 1) I can't read clarinet I've miskilled on him so many times I feel bad

2) he's very lhf
 
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