NOC 11p gen 1 closed setup (D4 End: Dec 25 at 5 PM PST)

[CaffeineBoost]

Because Eagle has provided by far the most content this game via these reaches. It’s how town moves out of RVS.

Additional sus for you using literally Tommy’s language, and the post where you voted Eagle came half an hour after someone else light sussed him. You waited to see how salient an Eagle push would be and then pushed him, which is scum motivated.

There's a difference between talking a lot and providing content. I get what you're saying but I don't think that up until my vote Eagle had done much.

More clear language of where I’m at on Caffeine rn:

It’s probable that Caffeine has fallen into the trap of voting for the player with the most potentially scummy content in raw data, as opposed to scummy content per post ratio (which there are a couple other candidates for, including Caffeine himself). This can happen as either town or scum, but the timing of it — right after a couple other players had expressed an openness to the idea that Eagle could be scum — seems opportunistic, and that’s definitely scum motivated as opposed to town.

When I get to a PC I’ll check what I mean by there being other players more scummy per post ratio than Eagle. I know I got that vibe scanning the thread after waking up this morning, but I don’t remember anyone’s name why and I don’t wanna do this on my phone lmao

A lot of this post is actually good and does actually describe what I did (checked Eagle's posts and tallied up the pings). What I'm interested in though is the part I've bolded because iirc you had me down as town before I voted Eagle.
Also idt scummy content per post really makes too much sense since Eagle spent about 4 posts saying the same thing about flavour solving.

It’s more so the opportunism and his piggybacking off others’ reads while presenting it as new information and trying to take credit for it. Though I do townread Eagle, I don’t think this plays into my case.

He was posting while Eagle and Tommy were here, and he waited until half an hour after someone else soft sussed Eagle before placing a vote on him. It’s big “I want a push on someone and get town points but if it goes wrong I can push the blame on someone else” energy, and while town or mafia can do this it’s more prolific with mafia because they know that if their target is lynched it will look badly on them since they know alignments.

Again, some good reasons to push me here. The timing of it isn't something I can explain, I placed the vote when I had time to actually read the thread properly.

Conclusion: Celever is town if and only if Eagle is town.

Gonna respond to whatever it is Eagle replied to me w/

 

[CaffeineBoost]

gonna try n nip this train in the bud before it picks up any more steam



Thought i'd leave responding to this for a bit so that i could sr anyone piggybacking on these points by pretending that they're valid (which SB has sort-of done with the quote highlighted below?) But yeah w/ all due respect if we want actual examples of 'talking a lot without saying anything' we can look at your spam on the first few pages -- the flavour claiming stuff was an avenue i thought could've been quite fruitful, and it was less about the actual flavour and more about why t-ballz (who i've forgotten is still playing this game) would say they're chansey in the first place. it's not a lot to go on but it's more than anything else we had, and at least sparked some form of discussion -- the setup speculation was again a way of getting the day moving forward. i don't want to big myself up here but i feel like i've been one of the least 'talks a lot without saying anything' peeps in this whole thread, and i agree w/ celever that this vote seems a lil opportunistic more than anything, but i had/have? a town lean on you based on pure vibes (which is why i'm more inclined to sr the person who piggybacks your points, as they can then absolve themselves of any agency).

as a side note i thought it was pretty clear i was being tongue-in-cheek w/ that 'here are my definitive thoughts' post -- they're reads based on minimal vibes so far but they're nothing deep.



Sorry you'll have to jog my memory what am i following up on? Do you mean your q on who i think is scum out of whoever answered my 'how many maf are there' question? I said that i'm still fishing and i still don't really know but out of the ones who answered i'd like U-Turn Out to post more (and Thunder~BALLZ for that matter)



you're either town and overthinking it or maf and this is a hedgy post

Please clarify what you mean by minimal vibes. I'd rather you went through everybody on your reads list and gave me a reason as to why they are where they are on your reads list.

 

[CaffeineBoost]

Please clarify what you mean by minimal vibes. I'd rather you went through everybody on your reads list and gave me a reason as to why they are where they are on your reads list.

btw the rest of the post is mostly fine, not a fan of that "pretending they're valid" bit though. All but one of your flavour claiming posts happened after you realised it would probably lead nowhere.

 

[CaffeineBoost]

Should also probably clarify that my issue isn't with the spamming happening, it's with the spam not looking like spam... or trying to look like content.

 

[SB.]

I hunk

Tommy hunk

Sorry you'll have to jog my memory what am i following up on? Do you mean your q on who i think is scum out of whoever answered my 'how many maf are there' question? I said that i'm still fishing and i still don't really know but out of the ones who answered i'd like U-Turn Out to post more (and Thunder~BALLZ for that matter)

Yeah, this part. I'm not really sure what you're waiting for here tbh? Like, if you think that someone in that group is scum, I don't really see you fishing for info here beyond saying "hey users post more" in this post. Like, where are you on UTO right now for instance? I don't care if you change your mind later, but I wanna know what you're thinking now.

 

[SB.]

What's the reason for your townread?

They voted shub at the time I started wanting to (based on what I'd read).

 

[Eagle4]

Please clarify what you mean by minimal vibes. I'd rather you went through everybody on your reads list and gave me a reason as to why they are where they are on your reads list.

ughhh i should have just not posted those vibe reads, it was just a basic 'here's where i'm at at the end of the day' that wasn't meant to be taken seriously but it's clearly causing more confusion than it's worth - i can't back them up beyond vibes - again, i stress, it's not that deep

btw the rest of the post is mostly fine, not a fan of that "pretending they're valid" bit though. All but one of your flavour claiming posts happened after you realised it would probably lead nowhere.

ofc you're not a fan of me calling your points invalid lol. and i'm p sure i stopped going on about the chansey thing once i realized it was a dead-end (though me asking about celever's pokemon being related/not related to their alliance/role was a different sort of thing and more trap-laying)

Should also probably clarify that my issue isn't with the spamming happening, it's with the spam not looking like spam... or trying to look like content.

i think it's content :(

i also think that this is just part of how i'm playing this game tbh, aka posting all my thoughts down without really moderating them (this may also be the issue duskfall has w/ how i'm playing)

 

[SB.]

can we vote someone just for being a brit?

>:(

I hate that I'm townreading you.

Caffeine, if Celever is town when Eagle is town, does that mean that if one is Mafia, then the other has to be as well?

 

[Eagle4]

Yeah, this part. I'm not really sure what you're waiting for here tbh? Like, if you think that someone in that group is scum, I don't really see you fishing for info here beyond saying "hey users post more" in this post. Like, where are you on UTO right now for instance? I don't care if you change your mind later, but I wanna know what you're thinking now.

i mean i can't really fish if they don't post anything :shrug:

i don't have many SReads at all tbh but i want UTO to post more as i feel like i could get that vibe off of them

 

[SB.]

i mean i can't really fish if they don't post anything :shrug:

i don't have many SReads at all tbh but i want UTO to post more as i feel like i could get that vibe off of them

I guess we have different ideas of what this means? You can fish for responses by asking them specific things to try and improve your read on them / holding them accountable to reads later so its harder for them to be flexible with pushes they could make as scum.

I don't blame you for nullreading them right now ftr, I just wanted to hear you talk about them since you brought them up.

 

[Eagle4]

also while i tr celever i think there's a possibility he's negging me so i tr him more but that is potentially/likely my paranoia talking

same with shubaka actually, they responded well to my dumb vibe reads post and i appreciate them for that

i liked clarinet's last couple of posts

 

[Eagle4]

I guess we have different ideas of what this means? You can fish for responses by asking them specific things to try and improve your read on them / holding them accountable to reads later so its harder for them to be flexible with pushes they could make as scum.

I don't blame you for nullreading them right now ftr, I just wanted to hear you talk about them since you brought them up.

oh i just thought fishing meant you were waiting for more info, i didn't know it was an actual maf term

hey on an unrelated note U-Turn Out Thunder~BALLZ who'd you like to see voted out today? who seems townie in your view?

 

[Eagle4]

also while i tr celever i think there's a possibility he's negging me so i tr him more but that is potentially/likely my paranoia talking

same with shubaka actually, they responded well to my dumb vibe reads post and i appreciate them for that

i liked clarinet's last couple of posts

i realise negging is the opposite of what i mean and what i actually mean is buddying up

(but yeah celever's like my third strongest tr along w/ caffeineboost and bgb so i hope he's not playing me)

 

[SB.]

Realising that you had a different idea of what fishing meant to me is kinda making me rethink some stuff.

Meh.

I don't feel as bothered here anymore, I think.

 

[Duskfall98]

I've changed my mind

Unvote

 

[Ehmcee]

Nuxl
In as sub

(didn't even realise this was happening tbh)

 

[Duskfall98]

I'm finding this game hard to read everything people posts I think is wrong

 

[Duskfall98]

Nuxl
In as sub

(didn't even realise this was happening tbh)

Lmao you're better off dming host next time

 

[CaffeineBoost]

>:(

I hate that I'm townreading you.

Caffeine, if Celever is town when Eagle is town, does that mean that if one is Mafia, then the other has to be as well?

Eagle scum heavily implies Celever is also scum due to how quick he was to defend. If Eagle is town then I'll probably have a towncore going w/ Celever.

 

[Duskfall98]

Vote: former

 

[Duskfall98]

Former is at this point not a confident scumread but definitely above rand mafia

 

[realiti]

I will vote shubaka. Also fine with TBZ going, not doing much and also had an interaction earlier that would clear another person depending on what he flips imo. Thinking about one other person but need to see more content.

vote shubaka

Conclusion: Celever is town if and only if Eagle is town.

So in your opinion you think they can't be different alignments at this point?

 

[Duskfall98]

I will vote shubaka. Also fine with TBZ going, not doing much and also had an interaction earlier that would clear another person depending on what he flips imo. Thinking about one other person but need to see more content.

vote shubaka


So in your opinion you think they can't be different alignments at this point?

What are your thoughts on former?

 

[realiti]

What are your thoughts on former?

ngl I don't remember a single post of his

 

[Duskfall98]

U-Turn Out also thoughts on eagle?