This is the first post of much substance (after some cracking banter), in response to Eagle asking if he has substance to add beyond said banter. Saying none whatsoever is fairly
NAI but it's worth identifying that he wasn't forcing any reads. At this stage in the game, most of the players hadn't done anything AI. Where Eagle was forcing reads for progression, Caff was holding off for that progress to reap reward. It's worth noting for meta.
I have Dusk down for this as well. He didn't do it last game and that's enough meta for RVS.
Considering changing to Former though since Former was reacting to an RVS vote.
Later he says he has a scum tone read on Tommy which actually I'd be curious in his explanation for, because at this stage in the game I remember town tonereading him. Correctly identifies that Former's tone was scummier than Tommy's after someone else pointed it out, but didn't jump ship to keep pressure on a larger number of players. Probably
townlean from this.
Actually ignore that, it might not have been a reaction
NVM he second guessed.
NAI
Why are you pinging Shub and UTO?
You could be pinging
Thunder~BALLZ instead
Also forgive me but I do find it really weird that you're pinging inactives on the same post as you're voting somebody and not separating the two.
Calls bgb out on a badly phrased post where he votes Clarinet without providing reasoning. Combined with his double post:
Btw in case you're interested, my thoughts on Clarinet are as follows:
I think this is potentially
townlean. He critiqued the post because of the reasoning used in the post, not because of the outcome of it (Clarinet vote itself).
Unvote: Duskfall 1100010
Vote: Eagle4
A few things have pinged me about Eagle.
- Talks a lot without saying anything (the whole flavour claiming stuff, setup speculation, claiming there's scum in a pool of 5 people then never coming back to it)
- Jumping to conclusions for townreads
- Pinged me for no reason (this is partly out of spite)
Please explain everything in bold.
This was my first
scumlean post from him and on a reread I still think it's a little scummy. Jumping off RVS is good at this stage in the game, but the reasoning in this post is very much critiquing Eagle for having lots of content and trying to make things happen, as opposed to the specific content. Eagle getting votes for essentially providing a rainbow was not a good case, and happened only after others soft-sussed him and made the same general points over the course of the day. Y'all know how this worked out and his defence was good, but I stand by that the defence doesn't make this less scummy it just earned him extra town points.
There's a difference between talking a lot and providing content. I get what you're saying but I don't think that up until my vote Eagle had done much.
A lot of this post is actually good and does actually describe what I did (checked Eagle's posts and tallied up the pings). What I'm interested in though is the part I've bolded because iirc you had me down as town before I voted Eagle.
Also idt scummy content per post really makes too much sense since Eagle spent about 4 posts saying the same thing about flavour solving.
Again, some good reasons to push me here. The timing of it isn't something I can explain, I placed the vote when I had time to actually read the thread properly.
This earns town points from straight up admitting that that's what he did, which is
towny since it probably shows he legitimately had different motivations with his post than what I described as potential motivations. However, I don't know Caff enough to know if he plays method or not (i.e. as mafia he literally gets into a towny mindset and pretends he's town in his own head). If he does, then this is less towny since he's getting town points for exactly that.
Caff said:
Conclusion: Celever is town if and only if Eagle is town.
Gonna respond to whatever it is Eagle replied to me w/
But then he finishes off the post with this, which right now I think is more
scummy than I earlier gave it credit for. I mean, if myself or Eagle are mafia with Caff, this is a good way to set the foundation for a mislynch following one of our own lynches, which as others pointed out was flawed reasoning. Alternatively, if both Eagle and I are town, this could easily be a gambit to be ingratiated into the towncore. This was a very forced read, which Caff seems to try to avoid. This is therefore a notable divergence from his playstyle so far with potential scum motivations behind it. Of course, it could also be a misplay as town.
Should also probably clarify that my issue isn't with the spamming happening, it's with the spam not looking like spam... or trying to look like content.
I think this comes from a
townlean mindset, but that conclusion came after a while because I think that Caff and I approach D1 pretty differently. I certainly wouldn't count Eagle as having spammed anything, rather he was throwing everything at the wall to see what stuck. But I can understand Caff's perception of this, and if it's genuine then it's townlean to call it out because contentless spamming by a townie is
great for scum.
Eagle scum heavily implies Celever is also scum due to how quick he was to defend. If Eagle is town then I'll probably have a towncore going w/ Celever.
Wait wait wait my earlier point about Caff possibly making this point to try and ingratiate into a towncore with me and Eagle was made before reading this post. Maybe I subconsciously remembered it. Regardless I uh...
scumlean this because Caff's stated playstyle is organic progression whereas this is hella forced. But it's also a misplay as scum to so brazenly try to get into the towncore... while being a misplay for town too. Agh I'm sticking with scumlean but this post is just strange.
Sticking this here (this was responding to if he always votes Eagle before me) to ask if it still holds true now.
NAI at this moment in time because it's steady progression with where else he was at.
Unvote
I've had a bath and changed my mind.
Unsure whether I should place a vote on Celever, BGB, or someone else. Will do some iso's later.
This post lacks a lot of progression. BGB and I have not been flagged as scum by him before and we're suddenly his two targets.
Scumlean for now, removed if he substantiates this position later.
This is interesting since I had both you and former down for the same thing yet I currently find you more sus. Why Former?
Especially with his follow-up post where he reminded me that his scumleans were Tommy and Former (and Eagle). Does that mean that he had 5 scumleans at this time in the day? That's a
lot, I don't get the impression that anyone else rivalled this. Throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks? But with this approach, it's from a scummier place since he's not providing content that elicits discussion, he's just FoSing loads of people as an alibi when he jumps on wagons.
Scummy.
CaffeineBoost reply to this paragraph please -- you had 5 scumleans at this point?
Also
Former please clarify whether or not you're serious.
Odamn I missed that Caff did the same as me earlier than me where he tried to get Former to confirm if he's serious or not.
Towny from this.
This vote puts BGB at L-2 so I'd encourage others not to vote them until EoD
Vote: BGB
Former cop might not be a joke and there was something about BGB that pinged me.
...........and then he piles a vote on, before Former responds. That's why I missed the last post.
Scummy.
After reviewing some of BGB's comments I'm more comfortable with my vote.
You lot: "Can I see your reasons?"
Me: "no."
cannot be arsed typing it out
This is
NAI but
CaffeineBoost do this today please.
Dusk will hate me for this
I think Former's in my towncore.
Also justify this please
CaffeineBoost.
NAI for now.
In response to a question about the shub wagon.
Townlean for this, the shub wagon seems nonsense to me (though hopefully the ISOs will help me see why it exists). Regardless it was a hella out of the blue question and shutting it down is a viable town response.
Rn I am between voting for BGB, Celever, and Eagle. I will determine where I place my vote later.
Once again forgetting about Tommy and Former (though he has taking Former into his towncore apparently). Still interested in why I'm always there but he's never identified anything scummy I've done.
Scumlean from having so many forced scumleans himself, and only really looking at the most active players that are easier to push for scum than inactive ones.
It's pointless questions like these that are making me suspect you.
CaffeineBoost why's this scummy?
NAI
Vote: BGB
placing my vote here before I go to bed.
Just jumped off BGB's vote, didn't vote anyone else, and then voted right back on him. I don't see anything BGB did at this time to cause this, and Former admitted to lying about being cop.
Scumlean this is strange progression.
