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13p Matrix 14 (No Multiball) Game Thread [GAME OVER]

HeaLnDeaL said:
K so, we are back at the "why the fuck did scum kill tbz?" question?

If apricity is scum, then of course they wouldn't kill apricity, but why not kill texas?

Find it hard to believe that both apricity and texas are scum. Scum knows that I already said if apricity was wrong d2, I'd prolly turn on him. So if apricity is town, that's incentive for scum to save us both and hope we fight into a mislynch.

But in that case, why not kill texas? Probably because he's scum. There's no motivation to kill Hannah since she's been all over the place, and dusk's activity is eh. wouldn't kill m2h because he's either scum or someone they want to cc. but blah I can't really see why dusk isn't killed there over tbz... unless dusk is scum.

Hmm... I really think texas and dusk are scum here, as to me that makes the most sense why tbz was killed.
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this is not draft mafia, and there is a watcher scum want to be wary of

if they didn't go for the obvious kill or even the second best, it indicates that they had to be wary of the watcher, which indicates that they couldn't just hook them, which indicates that they knew m2h is not the actual watcher ? We're really not drawing the same conclusions here
 
MoodyCloud said:
this is not draft mafia, and there is a watcher scum want to be wary of

if they didn't go for the obvious kill or even the second best, it indicates that they had to be wary of the watcher, which indicates that they couldn't just hook them, which indicates that they knew m2h is not the actual watcher ? We're really not drawing the same conclusions here
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wut the heck does draft mafia have anything to do with this and why would you even bring it up?
 
MoodyCloud said:
if they didn't go for the obvious kill or even the second best, it indicates that they had to be wary of the watcher, which indicates that they couldn't just hook them, which indicates that they knew m2h is not the actual watcher ? We're really not drawing the same conclusions here
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I can 100% see your logic that if scum killed a weird person it's because they had to avoid the watcher, and that's prolly more safely on occam's razor than my uh relationship analyzing regarding scum predicting apricity and me to fight.
 
MoodyCloud said:
you keep talking about the mafia team as if it was drafted by someone
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no I don't. I have made comments about some scum teams being better or weaker than others and expressed a desire to split hal and texas up in some scenarios, but I have not relied exclusively on that logic and I never once went as far as to say that the mafia team was drafted by someone.

I know some people here in smogon sort out scum teams to be fair and will reroll a random roll to ensure something happens or to fix someone's position. DLE for one fixed my position in my first game. It is pretty fruitless to posit what those fixes might be, if they even exist, because they're designed to be fair and not obvious when they happen, but I've been judging a lot more than just "hal and texas can't be on the same team because game fairness says so" but if that's what you want to pick out and throw into my mouth then I have to question your agenda too. But even if you think I have been pushing a rigged or fixed teams agenda, how would the names I've been throwing out actually benefit a scum team? You're basically saying "I don't agree with heal's logic, therefore he has to be scum" when instead you should be asking "is this person's logic from a scum perspective?"

I get your point on scum purposely trying to avoid detection by the watcher with their weird kill and I think it's definitely a big point to consider.
 
HeaLnDeaL said:
no I don't. I have made comments about some scum teams being better or weaker than others and expressed a desire to split hal and texas up in some scenarios, but I have not relied exclusively on that logic and I never once went as far as to say that the mafia team was drafted by someone.

I know some people here in smogon sort out scum teams to be fair and will reroll a random roll to ensure something happens or to fix someone's position. DLE for one fixed my position in my first game. It is pretty fruitless to posit what those fixes might be, if they even exist, because they're designed to be fair and not obvious when they happen, but I've been judging a lot more than just "hal and texas can't be on the same team because game fairness says so" but if that's what you want to pick out and throw into my mouth then I have to question your agenda too. But even if you think I have been pushing a rigged or fixed teams agenda, how would the names I've been throwing out actually benefit a scum team? You're basically saying "I don't agree with heal's logic, therefore he has to be scum" when instead you should be asking "is this person's logic from a scum perspective?"

I get your point on scum purposely trying to avoid detection by the watcher with their weird kill and I think it's definitely a big point to consider.
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Um I think his main problem was when you said me you m2h would be a weak scumteam => doesn't exist.
 
i honestly dont know what else to say at this point that hasn't been said.

maybe bluedoom trusting dusk's cc here is kind of wack considering that blueddom was literally voting duskfall before.
 
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