what do horrors need to win by to be inposted this in #pl-discussion in the 1v1 discord, gonna post here too for easy access.
Entire Playoff Picture and Scenarios
Megarays and Skewdas are already in.
Horrors, Thwackeys, and Heatrans are out.
Rhyperiors, Panchams, Dragapults are 3rd, 4th, and 5th, respectively.
If Panchams win or tie next week against the Dragapults, the Panchams are in and the Dragapults are out.
If the Dragapults win against the Panchams next week, the Dragapults are in and the Panchams are out.
If the Panchams and Dragapults tie, the Rhyperiors need to win or tie to be in.
If the Panchams and Dragapults tie, the Rhyperiors tiebreak the Dragapults if they lose 3-5.
If the Panchams and Dragapults tie and the Rhyperiors lose 2-6 or worse, Panchams and Dragapults make it in.
i would give a more cohesive response to your post if it wasn't just filled to the brim with bullshit, not a single one of the teams that was used throughout the tour was from wc. Team beggar plays bad and loses, makes excuses then cries about the teams. what else is newIdk if we still doing these things but I really can't be bothered to ask around. PL from the perspective of someone on the "Italian" Heatrans.
Going into PL Denis and Close looked like a strong team. Not opinionated just facts of everyone's perspective. Basically, gonna try and keep this monotone as last thing we need is a "he said, she said" sorta drama thrown onto the end of this PL.
As the only member to be on both Heatrans teams, I can say without a doubt the atmosphere was night & day difference. Like every PL people come in happy and full of hope. But after a few days kinda of went south a bit. For any of those who werent around during PL 3, Heatrans were a team that went undefeated. You could joke about or bring whatever ; it didn't matter that's how good the team was. So comparing it to this years, not the same talent wise for sure. It wasn't the everyone helps everyone or has some involvement like years past. Was more the "lead by example" mentality. With that being said, our managers were busy with stuff irl and didn't have time to fully manage until later on. Though, at that point it was basically over and no one really has motivation to continue. Enter staples. Staples is a good dude, has a bit of a ego but chill dude. Was drafted in the role of being the "3rd manager" not officially but they are friends with Close and Denis. They did well during WC which was a big part of the m.o. "The Italians won WC" ; so he was very confident in himself to say the least. If we didn't prepare that week, "Use WC stuff"
Stable, was a pain in the ass at points of this tour. They believed very much in themselves and their ability to do everything it became apparent that it wasn't the best way of dealing with the task at hand. But when you're "drafted" to be the guy to do that and 60k is spent for "3 managers" leaves the remaining players you're able to obtain less proven/known/wanted. Which does I guess fall on the drafting part of the side as well.
If I'm not mistaken, Stable was allowed to help draft players which I don't believe we've had happen before. Though they all sorta knew who they wanted, no going rouge moments. But drafting is a big part of PL. So when there's good players left who were ignored and you see things like managers say "we're trying to figure out who we want" Not the best thing when you know you're gonna have go for low priced players because of your balance. Draft is an important part of the tournament. For those who don't pay attention or for those involved with providing the draft/tour. There's a lot of advantages that go unnoticed and ways to gain unfair advantages. (The way the draft is set-up, it will always be the same order. With Heatrans having the first nomination. and so on)
Player wise, everyone was fine. They all believed in themselves to preform, and had a good time. Though building wise became somewhat a questioning state for the team. Stable would build, or everyone would just solo build with the chat for their slot being dead. There was times where things would start to feel like previous tours have, where people talked. But the timezone difference also proved to be a bit of a challenge. When Europeans have to corollate with Americans it becomes difficult as the time difference means one is always busy when the other is not. Which led to fun interaction of "let's spend all our time doing this, then having it thrown away when the next person gets on". When it came time to battle, suggestions where given mainly 10-60 minutes before play started. Which happened a lot when the Europeans were online. Again timezone wise wasn't the best put together team. Sets being changed due to users believing others made mistakes, bringing what they believed was better or was told was better instead of the actual prep. Not sticking to plans during games. (getting arrogant to where our support we brought in just left)
I do wanna keep this sorta vague to keep all parties involved out of criticism so here's a short run down of my PL in my view:
PL started like any other PL, Joker gets declined from being manager because everyone believes he will be bad, when Joker probably spends more time prepping for PL than everyone. I spent 2 hours going over general details with deg who knew a fair few already. Because deg is the most qualified manager out of everyone in this PL. Not even a debate. But yea, out of every manager I was like 95% sure I was gonna be on deg's team. We talked about shit and my slots, roles and all that fun stuff. Close reached out to me, doing their job as a manager. I told them I wanted to try hard this PL. Which led to Close saying he really wanted me on their team. Hence the bidding that happened and deg not spending .5k like a bum <3 I was kind of upset, but was got over it. I was back on Heatrans, but wasn't the same. Everyone was chill. Very dead chat after a couple weeks. But yea, I came in wanted to try hard. Clashed with staples a bit. Got 20+ dms every 10 minutes lol. Though it became apparent that no matter what I did, prepped or contributed it was pushed to the side or ignored. When I spent all week looking at other user's stuff, suggestions, teams, sets, ect. Only a single team was used. So s/o AOPS for that. It got the win. So ya can start the see how when this happens every week, where the divide for a once "hopeful" team starts to form. A short run down of how each week opponent wise for me went.so, i guess quick summary for the tl:dr - joker tried to help, joker was ignored. joker would play series after week was lost or won at that point so motivation to win was dead. joker was on vacation, kept being given wc teams from italy as "prep". radu is the goat, the scape "goat". record is pointless. managers were busy but cool when not, teammates were fine. deg is cheap (.5k)w1) dez, endure was a annoying but I gave him credit. Without that I won, but was well played on their part
w2) I was preparing to go on vacation. So my prep this week was, the sceptile and that's about it. Also was in bw because AOPS wanted to try oras and I was undefeated in bw in team tours. Having helped Heatrans back in pl3 and pl4 when i played it there too
w3) was vs mubs, beat them last year wasnt very invested after finding out team lost week. told my team prep me teams im on vacation. i get back home, go to work get off work and then play mubs. I was looking at my teams the moment everyone else was. played the series like if it was a ladder game. we lost week, and again didnt feel invested
w4) vs bp, know the guy we wanted to play right before deadline. i ended up getting kicked from another server because they wanted us to play early, but bp was sleeping so not sure how that makes me get kicked lol. but we lost another week, and was told it was gonna be recorded so i brought the dumbest sets possible. (little insight to my dumb sets, i will spend my time seeing if said set is able to be brought and won with. thats why i have a high win% with unranked stuff) so i basically just slapped stuff on that i didnt test or check to see if i could win with and hoped they worked. (again because i spent all my time helping everyone else for it to be thrown away)
w5) team was basically dead at this point, tried to motivate everyone and help and what not. i was in bo7, i asked for this after week 2 but was denied. i had the most wins out of everyone last year in swsh. none of my managers knew this. joker is the oras guy...(no joker is the guy that is always slotted into whatever slot their team needs him to be slotted into because joker always says joker ill play whatever you need me to guy) oras has been beyond boring recently, player base tour-wise made it less interesting. so asked for bo7, also another undefeated slot of mine. yes ive played bo7 before zoomers. now going into this week i felt good. i had 1 day off but was preparing well, aops kinda started doing their own thing. and we brought in waylaid to help out with swsh. so i kinda only focused on bw that week, so had more time to prep. even did so when matching a movie in a theatre. go into the games with 2 of my own teams prepped and a couple of back ups. First game was a 3-0, 2nd game was hax, it happens, game 3 im told "hey use a random team from our wc paste" so im like ok, so i pick one. i dont get time to calc the zapdos which i think should beat banded vish but ran out of time and picked ttar as it beat the others and hoped it wouldnt pick vish. then game 4 was another 3-0
we won the week at this point so i just shrugged it off two 3-0s, hax and not having time to calc
w6) team cord is basically dead, after rumia and hoku did whatever we wanna call their series. we kinda lost all hope. we threw in fragments who at this point stopped caring and didnt even talk to them for a week or so. which we then subbed out. the big thing for this week was how, i wanted to play nalei or mishlef, as i had to play champs out of state with 3 year old teams and wanted to see if i would have lost normally. they assured me, fragments in bo7 was the move and me vs mishlef was a for sure thing...color me surprised when i see good guy scraft lol. this week was the week where i voiced my frustration to managers about how everything i prepped was ignored and how i spent all my time helping that i didnt prep for myself hardly ever as we would go back and forth on whos prep should be used. so we agreed, i wouldnt help team prep or comment or anything. how my job was to prep a couple teams, and have the rest supplied to me...i was never supplied with teams since week was lost. so i had to play scraft with what i had. blaze kick was a nice tech, hax again but it happens, 3-0. week was at this point so yea
w7) oh boy, so i go into this week and i remind managers and some members of team how i wanted bo7 for weeks now. as i didnt get it last week, and having ncal say joker should bo7 i go to bed thinking im bo7....i wake up the next morning...the wrong line up was sent....chat is basically dead, only subs are talking and as for my match with smb, idk if we gonna play. it would be a for fun match, not really any point but yea
Fartsi would give a more cohesive response to your post if it wasn't just filled to the brim with bullshit, not a single one of the teams that was used throughout the tour was from wc. Team beggar plays bad and loses, makes excuses then cries about the teams. what else is new
stableprince disstrack when??Idk if we still doing these things but I really can't be bothered to ask around. PL from the perspective of someone on the "Italian" Heatrans.
Going into PL Denis and Close looked like a strong team. Not opinionated just facts of everyone's perspective. Basically, gonna try and keep this monotone as last thing we need is a "he said, she said" sorta drama thrown onto the end of this PL.
As the only member to be on both Heatrans teams, I can say without a doubt the atmosphere was night & day difference. Like every PL people come in happy and full of hope. But after a few days kinda of went south a bit. For any of those who werent around during PL 3, Heatrans were a team that went undefeated. You could joke about or bring whatever ; it didn't matter that's how good the team was. So comparing it to this years, not the same talent wise for sure. It wasn't the everyone helps everyone or has some involvement like years past. Was more the "lead by example" mentality. With that being said, our managers were busy with stuff irl and didn't have time to fully manage until later on. Though, at that point it was basically over and no one really has motivation to continue. Enter staples. Staples is a good dude, has a bit of a ego but chill dude. Was drafted in the role of being the "3rd manager" not officially but they are friends with Close and Denis. They did well during WC which was a big part of the m.o. "The Italians won WC" ; so he was very confident in himself to say the least. If we didn't prepare that week, "Use WC stuff"
Stable, was a pain in the ass at points of this tour. They believed very much in themselves and their ability to do everything it became apparent that it wasn't the best way of dealing with the task at hand. But when you're "drafted" to be the guy to do that and 60k is spent for "3 managers" leaves the remaining players you're able to obtain less proven/known/wanted. Which does I guess fall on the drafting part of the side as well.
If I'm not mistaken, Stable was allowed to help draft players which I don't believe we've had happen before. Though they all sorta knew who they wanted, no going rouge moments. But drafting is a big part of PL. So when there's good players left who were ignored and you see things like managers say "we're trying to figure out who we want" Not the best thing when you know you're gonna have go for low priced players because of your balance. Draft is an important part of the tournament. For those who don't pay attention or for those involved with providing the draft/tour. There's a lot of advantages that go unnoticed and ways to gain unfair advantages. (The way the draft is set-up, it will always be the same order. With Heatrans having the first nomination. and so on)
Player wise, everyone was fine. They all believed in themselves to preform, and had a good time. Though building wise became somewhat a questioning state for the team. Stable would build, or everyone would just solo build with the chat for their slot being dead. There was times where things would start to feel like previous tours have, where people talked. But the timezone difference also proved to be a bit of a challenge. When Europeans have to corollate with Americans it becomes difficult as the time difference means one is always busy when the other is not. Which led to fun interaction of "let's spend all our time doing this, then having it thrown away when the next person gets on". When it came time to battle, suggestions where given mainly 10-60 minutes before play started. Which happened a lot when the Europeans were online. Again timezone wise wasn't the best put together team. Sets being changed due to users believing others made mistakes, bringing what they believed was better or was told was better instead of the actual prep. Not sticking to plans during games. (getting arrogant to where our support we brought in just left)
I do wanna keep this sorta vague to keep all parties involved out of criticism so here's a short run down of my PL in my view:
PL started like any other PL, Joker gets declined from being manager because everyone believes he will be bad, when Joker probably spends more time prepping for PL than everyone. I spent 2 hours going over general details with deg who knew a fair few already. Because deg is the most qualified manager out of everyone in this PL. Not even a debate. But yea, out of every manager I was like 95% sure I was gonna be on deg's team. We talked about shit and my slots, roles and all that fun stuff. Close reached out to me, doing their job as a manager. I told them I wanted to try hard this PL. Which led to Close saying he really wanted me on their team. Hence the bidding that happened and deg not spending .5k like a bum <3 I was kind of upset, but was got over it. I was back on Heatrans, but wasn't the same. Everyone was chill. Very dead chat after a couple weeks. But yea, I came in wanted to try hard. Clashed with staples a bit. Got 20+ dms every 10 minutes lol. Though it became apparent that no matter what I did, prepped or contributed it was pushed to the side or ignored. When I spent all week looking at other user's stuff, suggestions, teams, sets, ect. Only a single team was used. So s/o AOPS for that. It got the win. So ya can start the see how when this happens every week, where the divide for a once "hopeful" team starts to form. A short run down of how each week opponent wise for me went.so, i guess quick summary for the tl:dr - joker tried to help, joker was ignored. joker would play series after week was lost or won at that point so motivation to win was dead. joker was on vacation, kept being given wc teams from italy as "prep". radu is the goat, the scape "goat". record is pointless. managers were busy but cool when not, teammates were fine. deg is cheap (.5k)w1) dez, endure was a annoying but I gave him credit. Without that I won, but was well played on their part
w2) I was preparing to go on vacation. So my prep this week was, the sceptile and that's about it. Also was in bw because AOPS wanted to try oras and I was undefeated in bw in team tours. Having helped Heatrans back in pl3 and pl4 when i played it there too
w3) was vs mubs, beat them last year wasnt very invested after finding out team lost week. told my team prep me teams im on vacation. i get back home, go to work get off work and then play mubs. I was looking at my teams the moment everyone else was. played the series like if it was a ladder game. we lost week, and again didnt feel invested
w4) vs bp, know the guy we wanted to play right before deadline. i ended up getting kicked from another server because they wanted us to play early, but bp was sleeping so not sure how that makes me get kicked lol. but we lost another week, and was told it was gonna be recorded so i brought the dumbest sets possible. (little insight to my dumb sets, i will spend my time seeing if said set is able to be brought and won with. thats why i have a high win% with unranked stuff) so i basically just slapped stuff on that i didnt test or check to see if i could win with and hoped they worked. (again because i spent all my time helping everyone else for it to be thrown away)
w5) team was basically dead at this point, tried to motivate everyone and help and what not. i was in bo7, i asked for this after week 2 but was denied. i had the most wins out of everyone last year in swsh. none of my managers knew this. joker is the oras guy...(no joker is the guy that is always slotted into whatever slot their team needs him to be slotted into because joker always says joker ill play whatever you need me to guy) oras has been beyond boring recently, player base tour-wise made it less interesting. so asked for bo7, also another undefeated slot of mine. yes ive played bo7 before zoomers. now going into this week i felt good. i had 1 day off but was preparing well, aops kinda started doing their own thing. and we brought in waylaid to help out with swsh. so i kinda only focused on bw that week, so had more time to prep. even did so when matching a movie in a theatre. go into the games with 2 of my own teams prepped and a couple of back ups. First game was a 3-0, 2nd game was hax, it happens, game 3 im told "hey use a random team from our wc paste" so im like ok, so i pick one. i dont get time to calc the zapdos which i think should beat banded vish but ran out of time and picked ttar as it beat the others and hoped it wouldnt pick vish. then game 4 was another 3-0
we won the week at this point so i just shrugged it off two 3-0s, hax and not having time to calc
w6) team cord is basically dead, after rumia and hoku did whatever we wanna call their series. we kinda lost all hope. we threw in fragments who at this point stopped caring and didnt even talk to them for a week or so. which we then subbed out. the big thing for this week was how, i wanted to play nalei or mishlef, as i had to play champs out of state with 3 year old teams and wanted to see if i would have lost normally. they assured me, fragments in bo7 was the move and me vs mishlef was a for sure thing...color me surprised when i see good guy scraft lol. this week was the week where i voiced my frustration to managers about how everything i prepped was ignored and how i spent all my time helping that i didnt prep for myself hardly ever as we would go back and forth on whos prep should be used. so we agreed, i wouldnt help team prep or comment or anything. how my job was to prep a couple teams, and have the rest supplied to me...i was never supplied with teams since week was lost. so i had to play scraft with what i had. blaze kick was a nice tech, hax again but it happens, 3-0. week was at this point so yea
w7) oh boy, so i go into this week and i remind managers and some members of team how i wanted bo7 for weeks now. as i didnt get it last week, and having ncal say joker should bo7 i go to bed thinking im bo7....i wake up the next morning...the wrong line up was sent....chat is basically dead, only subs are talking and as for my match with smb, idk if we gonna play. it would be a for fun match, not really any point but yea
Only for some of us ;)ok u guys really gotta stop complaining about putting together dogshit teams, teamtours cant go perfectly every time
Only for some of us ;)
nolenot R.I.P. You deserved better, but God already gave you so much in life that he had to nerf you with bad luck. I'm confident you'll go 69-0 in Penis League once you get unbanned, though !!
Ratiodead server rip
Hey that's my SS record0-3 in ss is terrible
sorry to anyone who had faith in me to win games this pl
Mubs rofl thanks for randomly drafting me for what i (and many others can agree on) consider an overpay
very fine work going 5-0 in oras, but you should probably not pick 2 0-3s in a series :P
i expected no less though, and im very excited to see east performance this year
Here Comes Team Charm! thanks for being a genuinely encouraging teammate, i feel like my building improved significantly over these weeks at least and im quite happy with how i was able to at least somewhat refine my ss building; most of it was in large part due to our interactions, imo. i wish i had built a lot more, but the past is the past, and i take responsibility for the fact that sometimes if i had just built more we would have probably won some very important games
dogknees ur actually one of the most fun teammates ive worked with, ur very open minded and i was rly rly happy to build for you and with you, i know you dont plan on joining future tours but if you ever change your mind i think you could adapt very quickly to the current ss meta and i dont plan on leaving anytime soon so hmu if you want some help
pqs i know we didnt interact much but i was not joking when i said i was ur #1 fan, im very happy that you finally proved yourself as a solid player and that you completed your personal quest, thanks for carrying the team several times
Sanshokuinsumireko i understand your future endeavors may not involve bw but i think youre a great player of the gen, just thought you should know
Waylaid im very grateful to you for the same reasons as charm ur a real one and you were also enjoyable to build with
lancert no more beefing ur an sm goat i dont care much for the tier but i think i made an exception for watching you and rumia play sometimes
rumia see above, you bolstered the east lineup strength last year and i sincerely hope you can do it again
413X shiesty
zioziotrip Bopher thank you so much for reading my impromptu dms about random ss rants and requests for teambuilding ideas, i consider you both excellent friends and im very glad to call you as such
Blanched thanks for being chill and accepting bo5s and test games i hope i repaid you in due amount
Kaif thanks for defending my honor on cord looool
this pl was most definitely a learning experience. im very impressed by how far pults got considering how low we were ranked initially, though i guess thats just a testament to how badly some of our players wanted to win. it really kind of sucks we didnt make playoffs, because its pretty interesting just how strong we were going considering how admittedly little activity there was.
uh, idk, i dont have much to add. i dont think i contributed that much but im quite elated that people considered me a good teammate.
tenzhii out