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I would like to nominate Thundurus-Therian UR -> C. I've been running Choice Specs to deal with a lot of threats on the ladder.
Matchups against the rest of the VR: it almost always beats Rillaboom, Togekiss, Tapu Fini, Arcanine, Eerie Impulse stallers, Tapu Koko, Azumarill, Metagross, Buzzwole, Clefable, Whimsicott, and Zapdos (both formes). It can also somewhat check (70/30 to 45/55 odds, mainly due to Focus Miss, or loses to a certain set) Urshifu-S, Jirachi, Urshifu-Rapid, Primarina, Snorlax, Genesect, Registeel, Suicune, Volcanion, Glastrier, Heatran, Kartana, Regieleki, Hydreigon, Kommo-o, Gastrodon, Swampert, Tyranitar, and Pyukumuku. There are some other matchups that it can win with worse odds.
Considering this wide spread of decent to great matchups, I believe that Thundurus-Therian deserves to at least be on the rankings.
Zarude, the baboon Pokémon. Also referred to as "Dada" due to its father like nature when it created a bond with an adopted child who was abandoned. Is a mythical Pokemon that was introduced in generation VIII and has a base stat value at 600.
With the new "Crown Tundra - DLC" released there was a, let's say "hope" for the new generation's revival. Bringing us brand new Pokémon, whilst also returning familiar faces to our metagame ; isn't Mr. Ishihara so nice. As for powerful custap berry (*ooh* to make it feel suspenseful). Both of these changes, I wouldn't say completely made this Pokémon stand out as a viable choice to pick up but has helped its case.
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When I saw Zarude, my first thought was how can I abuse "Encore"? (If you aren't you should, it's good :3) Fast Pokémon 105 base speed, with a 105 for Hit Points & Defense. Plus 120 Attack, how is this thing not as viable as other Pokémon? Move-set, Match-ups, It's banned ; Now my first thought looking over the Moves, it's fine. Should be used but isn't. So then if it's not banned like Mewtwo, why is it not receiving usage? My mind went to the, "The community has Atychiphobia" ; The fear of failing or the inability to attempt a goal
Now why would you want to run something that always felt like it lost. Something that got no chance versus the better-overall Pokémon. So how do I take a Pokémon, and apply it's strengths to not only defeat the stronger Pokémon, but also make it so it can be decently viable so I'm not just a 1 Pokémon counter? Well, I decided too go ahead and make a few sets and well, needless to say they panned out 'cus I'm making a post on them lol
The Zarude sets & calculations
1) It started out as how do I beat sylveon and ended up with how do I beat max special attack sylveon...
vs. Sylv Specs (Zarude) @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 88 Atk / 192 SpD / 228 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Encore
- Substitute
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
The premise here is the same when dealing with a sylveon in this match-up. You Sub turn 1 (,which allows you to avoid Fake Tears/Yawn/Hyper Beam), Throat Chop turn 2 which will make it so sylveon can not use Hyper Voice. And if they are Specs like they are in this scenario they would then be forced to struggle. And with our substitute up the dmg from its struggle with be absorb!
88+ Atk Zarude Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Sylveon: 184-217 (55.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 192 SpD Roseli Berry Zarude: 222-262 (63.2 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Mystical Fire vs. 0 HP / 192 SpD Zarude: 206-244 (58.6 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (If they do run Mystical Fire, you just Power Whip twice after Substitute breaks)
2) The 2nd set I made is a play off the last, how do you beat the other sylveon sets...
Sylv Beater (Zarude) @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 208 HP / 20 Atk / 28 Def / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Encore
- Substitute
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
So again the standard play for this Pokémon vs sylveon, the opposite of what logic dictates. Sub turn 1, Throat chop turn 2, turn 3 you use encore, which either locks them into Hyper Voice & they struggle, or they Quick Attack which you live, then proceed to Power Whip
68 SpA Pixie Plate Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 208 HP / 252 SpD Roseli Berry Zarude: 133-157 (33 - 38.9%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Pixie Plate Pixilate Sylveon Quick Attack vs. 208 HP / 28 Def Zarude: 84-98 (20.8 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
20+ Atk Zarude Power Whip vs. 96 HP / 208+ Def Sylveon: 168-198 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO
20+ Atk Zarude Throat Chop vs. 96 HP / 208+ Def Sylveon: 55-66 (15.4 - 18.5%) -- possible 6HKO (Quick Attack won't break substitute and allows you to KO before it can if you Encore them into it)
3) Moving on from sylveon, next set allows you to beat genesect, but has an odd way that is bond to catch your eye
16 iv. Def (Zarude) @ Life Orb
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 24 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 16 Def
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
- Encore
- Substitute
16 IVs?! Are you sure you are sane? So yea, as we all know I'm assuming genesect has the ability, download. So we had to make sure our defense was the lowest stat somehow. Why does it matter? "genesect is just gonna bug buzz and KO you!" Why is it is true genesect is most likely to be special and have bug buzz. It strength of bug buzz is also its weakness here. Bug buzz is a sound move, and throat chop makes sound moves stop working. And depending on what sylveon set you are up against you have a chance to beat that as well with Substitute/Throat Chop/Power Whip
252 SpA Genesect Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 24 SpD Zarude: 190-224 (54.1 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Zarude Throat Chop vs. 232 HP / 20 Def Genesect: 165-195 (48.3 - 57.1%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO (I'm aware scarf genesect is a thing, as well as physical. But this is more so a special genesect beater, and scarf can be beaten with custap if need be)
4) Next is sorta just standard base dmg stuff people would make in 10 seconds
Basic Dmg (Zarude) @ Life Orb
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 192 Atk / 84 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
- Encore/Filler
- Darkest Lariat/Filler
So with boosted Attack & 84 spd you are able to beat genesect. And a common theme with the 232 speed sets, it puts you at 334, so you out-speed garchomp which only means if its scarf garchomp it just wins, unless its custap
192 Atk Life Orb Zarude Throat Chop vs. 232 HP / 0- Def Genesect: 179-212 (52.4 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Genesect Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 84 SpD Zarude: 178-210 (50.7 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zarude: 282-333 (80.3 - 94.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
192 Atk Life Orb Zarude Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 242-285 (67.5 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Most sets beat garchomp, but thought I'd put it here :3)
5) Custap making it's awaited appearance finally in this post!
Custap (Zarude) @ Custap Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 48 HP / 16 Atk / 252 Def / 192 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Darkest Lariat
- Power Whip
- Bulk Up
- Close Combat
Ok so, when I made this set it was more along the lines of how do I beat urshifu sets. From scarf, to banded, to bulky. So vs urshifu (both), Bulk Up, into Close Combat/Power Whip. But also it's custap, so it beats Pokemon like Darmanitan-G
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Close Combat vs. +1 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude: 314-372 (86.5 - 102.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude on a critical hit: 118-139 (32.5 - 38.2%) -- 97.7% chance to 3HKO
148+ Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude: 320-380 (88.1 - 104.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Close Combat vs. +1 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude: 314-372 (86.5 - 102.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude on a critical hit: 114-135 (31.4 - 37.1%) -- approx. 78.8% chance to 3HKO (More or less just a bulky custap set that beats Urshifu and other stuff)
6) Custap again! Wahoo! Basic standard Custap w/ your choice of Filler
Custap v.2 (Zarude) @ Custap Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Endure
- Encore
- Close Combat/Filler
- Acrobatics/Filler
Run whatever you feel like really, just allowing freedom of use
7) Have you ever seen this bird? Basically I wanted a way for this Pokemon to beat flying types, like Moltres-G
Molt-G Thang (Zarude) @ Life Orb
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Endure
- Filler
- Filler
You are more than welcome to run Rock Tomb if you want to be faster, but Zarude lives a 252+ Hurricane from Molt-G and KO's back :D
252+ SpA Moltres-Galar Hurricane vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Zarude: 270-318 (76.7 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Zarude Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Moltres-Galar: 192-229 (50 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Endure to make sure you beat custap)
8) Pure damage. Slap a choice band on it and you're good. The 1v1 way. With choice band it allows you to bop victini, urshifu & genesect.
Banded :3 (Zarude) @ Choice Band
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 192 Atk / 84 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Throat Chop/Darkest Lariat
- Close Combat
- Power Whip
- Iron Tail/Darkest Lariat/Filler
Now, based off how bulky the victini wants to be, it can live Throat Chop. So if you are worried about the bulk on a victini and don't mind losing to special genesect, feel free to take Darkest Lariat over Throat. Or even take both. Which brings us back to the 16ivs in defense. Since we are running choice band, we have that extra damage and can take some evs from its attack and invest them into SPD to make use beat special genesect.
Banded v.2 (Zarude) @ Choice Band
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 24 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 16 Def
- Throat Chop/Darkest Lariat
- Close Combat
- Power Whip
- Iron Tail/Darkest Lariat/Filler
This allows you to have better rolls, damage, even have a chance to beat sylveon with Iron Tail depending on their set
192 Atk Choice Band Zarude Throat Chop vs. 240 HP / 16- Def Victini: 390-458 (97.2 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
192 Atk Choice Band Zarude Darkest Lariat vs. 240 HP / 16- Def Victini: 410-486 (102.2 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
192 Atk Choice Band Zarude Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu: 352-416 (103.2 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO (If you take Throat Chop you beat genesect special, but its a roll for bulky victini)
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I'm sure there will be those who want to question things, and try to check my work for mistakes. I used the calculator preset sets as well as https://www.smogon.com/stats/2020-10-DLC2/moveset/gen81v1-1630.txt for my work. I'm pretty sure you all are competent enough to see this as a whole and just rank it as you please. And hopefully it will be used a lot more. Have a good day, thank you for reading <3 - Joker
I was gonna nom Zarude at some point but I'll just add a set to the above since Joker beat me to it
Zarude @ Expert Belt
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 240 HP / 56 Atk / 32 Def / 4 SpD / 176 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Power Whip
- Darkest Lariat
- Encore
- Bulk Up
252+ SpA Primarina Moonblast vs. 240 HP / 4 SpD Zarude: 348-410 (84.6 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
56+ Atk Expert Belt Zarude Power Whip vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Primarina: 367-432 (100.8 - 118.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
The HP investment + leftover Defense investment is to maximize odds against Registeel.
Speed for Zygarde
beats non-scarf Rachi, prim, lax, necro, stall boomer, zygarde, cress, registeel, and fini
C to B (or even B+)
So I think this mon is underrated, utilizing a spdef set with yawntect eq ice beam it has solid matchups overall against the vr and is decently splashable due to it’s good natural defensive typing and it’s ability to beat certain top mons. Some of it’s notable matchups against the VR are Victini(Not all the time because that’s practically impossible), Non stall Jirachi, Genesect, Zygarde, Aggron, Garchomp, Naganadel, Rhyperior, Volcanion, Zeraora, Blaziken, Crustle, Heatran, Regieleki, Aegislash, Magnezone. It has way more going lower in the VR like Metagross, both Lando forms, Ttar etc but I think you get it’s purpose.
C to C+(Maybe B- but this i’m not too sure about)
This beats quite a lot between specs and scarf choosing it’s victims sort of like Darm G, i’ve also been playing around with sub cm custap to beat shit with endure but it’s prob niche. It beats stuff like Victini, Jirachi, Rillaboom, Registeel, and more but i’m not going too indepth for this one.
Zarude, the baboon Pokémon. Also referred to as "Dada" due to its father like nature when it created a bond with an adopted child who was abandoned. Is a mythical Pokemon that was introduced in generation VIII and has a base stat value at 600.
With the new "Crown Tundra - DLC" released there was a, let's say "hope" for the new generation's revival. Bringing us brand new Pokémon, whilst also returning familiar faces to our metagame ; isn't Mr. Ishihara so nice. As for powerful custap berry (*ooh* to make it feel suspenseful). Both of these changes, I wouldn't say completely made this Pokémon stand out as a viable choice to pick up but has helped its case.
=====================================================
When I saw Zarude, my first thought was how can I abuse "Encore"? (If you aren't you should, it's good :3) Fast Pokémon 105 base speed, with a 105 for Hit Points & Defense. Plus 120 Attack, how is this thing not as viable as other Pokémon? Move-set, Match-ups, It's banned ; Now my first thought looking over the Moves, it's fine. Should be used but isn't. So then if it's not banned like Mewtwo, why is it not receiving usage? My mind went to the, "The community has Atychiphobia" ; The fear of failing or the inability to attempt a goal
Now why would you want to run something that always felt like it lost. Something that got no chance versus the better-overall Pokémon. So how do I take a Pokémon, and apply it's strengths to not only defeat the stronger Pokémon, but also make it so it can be decently viable so I'm not just a 1 Pokémon counter? Well, I decided too go ahead and make a few sets and well, needless to say they panned out 'cus I'm making a post on them lol
The Zarude sets & calculations
1) It started out as how do I beat sylveon and ended up with how do I beat max special attack sylveon...
vs. Sylv Specs (Zarude) @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 88 Atk / 192 SpD / 228 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Encore
- Substitute
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
The premise here is the same when dealing with a sylveon in this match-up. You Sub turn 1 (,which allows you to avoid Fake Tears/Yawn/Hyper Beam), Throat Chop turn 2 which will make it so sylveon can not use Hyper Voice. And if they are Specs like they are in this scenario they would then be forced to struggle. And with our substitute up the dmg from its struggle with be absorb!
88+ Atk Zarude Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Sylveon: 184-217 (55.4 - 65.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 0 HP / 192 SpD Roseli Berry Zarude: 222-262 (63.2 - 74.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Sylveon Mystical Fire vs. 0 HP / 192 SpD Zarude: 206-244 (58.6 - 69.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (If they do run Mystical Fire, you just Power Whip twice after Substitute breaks)
2) The 2nd set I made is a play off the last, how do you beat the other sylveon sets...
Sylv Beater (Zarude) @ Roseli Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 208 HP / 20 Atk / 28 Def / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Encore
- Substitute
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
So again the standard play for this Pokémon vs sylveon, the opposite of what logic dictates. Sub turn 1, Throat chop turn 2, turn 3 you use encore, which either locks them into Hyper Voice & they struggle, or they Quick Attack which you live, then proceed to Power Whip
68 SpA Pixie Plate Pixilate Sylveon Hyper Voice vs. 208 HP / 252 SpD Roseli Berry Zarude: 133-157 (33 - 38.9%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO
0 Atk Pixie Plate Pixilate Sylveon Quick Attack vs. 208 HP / 28 Def Zarude: 84-98 (20.8 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 5HKO
20+ Atk Zarude Power Whip vs. 96 HP / 208+ Def Sylveon: 168-198 (47.3 - 55.7%) -- 77.3% chance to 2HKO
20+ Atk Zarude Throat Chop vs. 96 HP / 208+ Def Sylveon: 55-66 (15.4 - 18.5%) -- possible 6HKO (Quick Attack won't break substitute and allows you to KO before it can if you Encore them into it)
3) Moving on from sylveon, next set allows you to beat genesect, but has an odd way that is bond to catch your eye
16 iv. Def (Zarude) @ Life Orb
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 24 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 16 Def
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
- Encore
- Substitute
16 IVs?! Are you sure you are sane? So yea, as we all know I'm assuming genesect has the ability, download. So we had to make sure our defense was the lowest stat somehow. Why does it matter? "genesect is just gonna bug buzz and KO you!" Why is it is true genesect is most likely to be special and have bug buzz. It strength of bug buzz is also its weakness here. Bug buzz is a sound move, and throat chop makes sound moves stop working. And depending on what sylveon set you are up against you have a chance to beat that as well with Substitute/Throat Chop/Power Whip
252 SpA Genesect Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 24 SpD Zarude: 190-224 (54.1 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Zarude Throat Chop vs. 232 HP / 20 Def Genesect: 165-195 (48.3 - 57.1%) -- 93.4% chance to 2HKO (I'm aware scarf genesect is a thing, as well as physical. But this is more so a special genesect beater, and scarf can be beaten with custap if need be)
4) Next is sorta just standard base dmg stuff people would make in 10 seconds
Basic Dmg (Zarude) @ Life Orb
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 192 Atk / 84 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Throat Chop
- Power Whip
- Encore/Filler
- Darkest Lariat/Filler
So with boosted Attack & 84 spd you are able to beat genesect. And a common theme with the 232 speed sets, it puts you at 334, so you out-speed garchomp which only means if its scarf garchomp it just wins, unless its custap
192 Atk Life Orb Zarude Throat Chop vs. 232 HP / 0- Def Genesect: 179-212 (52.4 - 62.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Genesect Flamethrower vs. 0 HP / 84 SpD Zarude: 178-210 (50.7 - 59.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Garchomp Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Zarude: 282-333 (80.3 - 94.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
192 Atk Life Orb Zarude Power Whip vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 242-285 (67.5 - 79.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Most sets beat garchomp, but thought I'd put it here :3)
5) Custap making it's awaited appearance finally in this post!
Custap (Zarude) @ Custap Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 48 HP / 16 Atk / 252 Def / 192 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Darkest Lariat
- Power Whip
- Bulk Up
- Close Combat
Ok so, when I made this set it was more along the lines of how do I beat urshifu sets. From scarf, to banded, to bulky. So vs urshifu (both), Bulk Up, into Close Combat/Power Whip. But also it's custap, so it beats Pokemon like Darmanitan-G
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Close Combat vs. +1 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude: 314-372 (86.5 - 102.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude on a critical hit: 118-139 (32.5 - 38.2%) -- 97.7% chance to 3HKO
148+ Atk Urshifu Close Combat vs. 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude: 320-380 (88.1 - 104.6%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Close Combat vs. +1 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude: 314-372 (86.5 - 102.4%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu-Rapid-Strike Surging Strikes (3 hits) vs. 48 HP / 252 Def Zarude on a critical hit: 114-135 (31.4 - 37.1%) -- approx. 78.8% chance to 3HKO (More or less just a bulky custap set that beats Urshifu and other stuff)
6) Custap again! Wahoo! Basic standard Custap w/ your choice of Filler
Custap v.2 (Zarude) @ Custap Berry
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Endure
- Encore
- Close Combat/Filler
- Acrobatics/Filler
Run whatever you feel like really, just allowing freedom of use
7) Have you ever seen this bird? Basically I wanted a way for this Pokemon to beat flying types, like Moltres-G
Molt-G Thang (Zarude) @ Life Orb
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Rock Slide
- Endure
- Filler
- Filler
You are more than welcome to run Rock Tomb if you want to be faster, but Zarude lives a 252+ Hurricane from Molt-G and KO's back :D
252+ SpA Moltres-Galar Hurricane vs. 4 HP / 252 SpD Zarude: 270-318 (76.7 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Zarude Rock Slide vs. 252 HP / 128+ Def Moltres-Galar: 192-229 (50 - 59.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Endure to make sure you beat custap)
8) Pure damage. Slap a choice band on it and you're good. The 1v1 way. With choice band it allows you to bop victini, urshifu & genesect.
Banded :3 (Zarude) @ Choice Band
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 192 Atk / 84 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Throat Chop/Darkest Lariat
- Close Combat
- Power Whip
- Iron Tail/Darkest Lariat/Filler
Now, based off how bulky the victini wants to be, it can live Throat Chop. So if you are worried about the bulk on a victini and don't mind losing to special genesect, feel free to take Darkest Lariat over Throat. Or even take both. Which brings us back to the 16ivs in defense. Since we are running choice band, we have that extra damage and can take some evs from its attack and invest them into SPD to make use beat special genesect.
Banded v.2 (Zarude) @ Choice Band
Ability: Leaf Guard
EVs: 252 Atk / 24 SpD / 232 Spe
Jolly Nature
IVs: 16 Def
- Throat Chop/Darkest Lariat
- Close Combat
- Power Whip
- Iron Tail/Darkest Lariat/Filler
This allows you to have better rolls, damage, even have a chance to beat sylveon with Iron Tail depending on their set
192 Atk Choice Band Zarude Throat Chop vs. 240 HP / 16- Def Victini: 390-458 (97.2 - 114.2%) -- 81.3% chance to OHKO
192 Atk Choice Band Zarude Darkest Lariat vs. 240 HP / 16- Def Victini: 410-486 (102.2 - 121.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
192 Atk Choice Band Zarude Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Urshifu: 352-416 (103.2 - 121.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO (If you take Throat Chop you beat genesect special, but its a roll for bulky victini)
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I'm sure there will be those who want to question things, and try to check my work for mistakes. I used the calculator preset sets as well as https://www.smogon.com/stats/2020-10-DLC2/moveset/gen81v1-1630.txt for my work. I'm pretty sure you all are competent enough to see this as a whole and just rank it as you please. And hopefully it will be used a lot more. Have a good day, thank you for reading <3 - Joker
I have logs of me having it done before I even talked to you about it lmao. I just wanted to get a established name in 1v1 to say its bad so I can screen shot it for click bait. xD
Smely Socks can attest to me having it done for a while. But I had work and what not.
But sure potatochan, you can take the credit if you'd like <3
I have logs of me having it done before I even talked to you about it lmao. I just wanted to get a established name in 1v1 to say its bad so I can screen shot it for click bait. xD
Smely Socks can attest to me having it done for a while. But I had work and what not.
But sure potatochan, you can take the credit if you'd like <3
Put goodra back on the VR: it combines relevant resistances with the pressuring combo of Acid Spray + Draco Meteor, gets to be a lite snorlax with great special bulk and Counter, and has a useful grass immunity as well. It also still gets a versatile item slot to run roseli/haban/AV/sitrus in (with custap an unexplored option that seems solid).
Considering its bulk, versatility, and valuable matchup against the many special powerhouses that have entered the tier, I think goodra would be fine at C+ or B-.
yo where the fuck is vaporeon itr has a good mu againt like two S-A tiers that's kinda cool (victini and jirachi)
i think it lives bolt strike if it doesn't just but a wacan berry on it who cares lmao
also ice beam beats regidraco
yo where the fuck is vaporeon!!!!!!!!!!!!
it deserves D tier at lEAST
xsc please don't bully me for like 1 second by the way
Anyways yep
I am nomming vaporeon to C- tier
It also can beat Urishifu-Single with endure petaya and a two turn sleep
and can beat Uri-rapid with 3 turns of sleep also using endure petaya
:vapeoreon:
it also beats trans
also beats zygarde with ice beam don't worry about substitute I'm just too cool for that and also that set is stupid
beats landorus-thick :laughing_crying: and regular landorus!!1
also good mu against aggron (idk is head smash kills, if it does just run fast petaya endure trust me its cool your mom head smashed me last night)
also good mu against togekiss ig idk man its winnable and good mu against darmg with either endure or the chad chilian berry
anyways mubs out please like my [post haha just kidding im too cool 4 you :sunglasses: :sunglasses : :sunglasses
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edit : Aslo @Boat don't delete my post ik its in a shitposty format but like actually this is a nom
I know this is a huge jump but take a look at all the mons in a-b+ rank. Gourgeist with substitute leech seed disable and protect beats urshifuru, (both forms, if dark isnt scarfed and even if it is that variant loses to dark resist berry Geist), it beats primarina, it beats some snorlax, it beats zygarde, it beats some variants of gene sect and necrozma, it beats aggron, it beats gar chomp, it beats non scarfed porygon z, it beats sylveon with proper mind games, it beats most volcanion and most zerazora, and it beats any choiced Pokemon that is slower than it (With base 99 speed that's. a lot), it beat lando t (knock doesn't ko and leech recovers enough where u can just sub and protect infinitely and kill it that way), it beats both scarf and band vish (crunch doesn't ohko). It can also beat darminitan half the time if equipped with the proper berry. Thats about half of the S-B+ ranked mons which is very impressive especially for a Pokemon that is currently unranked.
I know this is a huge jump but take a look at all the mons in a-b+ rank. Gourgeist with substitute leech seed disable and protect beats urshifuru, (both forms, if dark isnt scarfed and even if it is that variant loses to dark resist berry Geist), it beats primarina, it beats some snorlax, it beats zygarde, it beats some variants of gene sect and necrozma, it beats aggron, it beats gar chomp, it beats non scarfed porygon z, it beats sylveon with proper mind games, it beats most volcanion and most zerazora, and it beats any choiced Pokemon that is slower than it (With base 99 speed that's. a lot), it beat lando t (knock doesn't ko and leech recovers enough where u can just sub and protect infinitely and kill it that way), it beats both scarf and band vish (crunch doesn't ohko). It can also beat darminitan half the time if equipped with the proper berry. Thats about half of the S-B+ ranked mons which is very impressive especially for a Pokemon that is currently unranked.
prim has encore, lax has rest, Urshifu has taunt, zygarde has rest, aggron has taunt, Zeraora has taunt, garchomp can sub, not having attacking moves is very disadvantageous
I know this is a huge jump but take a look at all the mons in a-b+ rank. Gourgeist with substitute leech seed disable and protect beats urshifuru, (both forms, if dark isnt scarfed and even if it is that variant loses to dark resist berry Geist), it beats primarina, it beats some snorlax, it beats zygarde, it beats some variants of gene sect and necrozma, it beats aggron, it beats gar chomp, it beats non scarfed porygon z, it beats sylveon with proper mind games, it beats most volcanion and most zerazora, and it beats any choiced Pokemon that is slower than it (With base 99 speed that's. a lot), it beat lando t (knock doesn't ko and leech recovers enough where u can just sub and protect infinitely and kill it that way), it beats both scarf and band vish (crunch doesn't ohko). It can also beat darminitan half the time if equipped with the proper berry. Thats about half of the S-B+ ranked mons which is very impressive especially for a Pokemon that is currently unranked.
In addition to what LCB already said: tiers don't work that way. Victini loses to Urshifu but is directly above it in the tiers, Zygarde loses to darm-G, Moltres-G, Tapu Fini, and sometimes Registeel/Urshifu-R but is fine in its current tier,
Your chosen reference point of B+ rank is very obviously picked to make gourgeist look good: comparing it to a tier like B or B- is much less favorable.
I think putting gourgeist in something like D-tier would be fine: it does have the unique niche of being a Disabling subseeder, which makes it a bit trickier to break than, say, whimsicott, but unlike whimsicott it gets shut down by Taunt/Encore/Trick and Disable has gotten much less useful than it's been historically.
Mandibuzz is able to beat most Banded mons with the combination of Foul Play and Weak armor. Also, a stall set could be utilized but that's not fun. Taunt + Roost Can beat non-counter/toxic Registeel. Honestly, roost and taunt are changeable. I just slapped them on there to beat registeel(Bone rush might be a fire tec).
252+ Atk Choice Band Victini V-create vs. 220 HP / 0+ Def Mandibuzz: 352-415 (84.6 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Victini Bolt Strike vs. 220 HP / 0+ Def Mandibuzz: 340-400 (81.7 - 96.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Victini: 284-336 (70.2 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Beating WP Glaciate victini is in your favor
84 SpA Mandibuzz Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Urshifu: 174-206 (51 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Close Combat vs. 220 HP / 0+ Def Mandibuzz: 256-303 (61.5 - 72.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
0- Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Dragapult: 242-288 (76.3 - 90.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (Can beat most sub-dis pults if you taunt t1)
84 SpA Mandibuzz Air Slash vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Blaziken: 152-182 (50.4 - 60.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
220+ Atk Mandibuzz Foul Play vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Rillaboom: 178-210 (44.1 - 52.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
220+ Atk Choice Band Rillaboom Wood Hammer vs. 220 HP / 0+ Def Mandibuzz in Grassy Terrain: 174-205 (41.8 - 49.2%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Zeraora Plasma Fists vs. 0 HP / 0+ Def Mandibuzz: 335-398 (92.7 - 110.2%) -- 56.3% chance to OHKO but fake out exists so ignore this calc
In addition to what LCB already said: tiers don't work that way. Victini loses to Urshifu but is directly above it in the tiers, Zygarde loses to darm-G, Moltres-G, Tapu Fini, and sometimes Registeel/Urshifu-R but is fine in its current tier,
Your chosen reference point of B+ rank is very obviously picked to make gourgeist look good: comparing it to a tier like B or B- is much less favorable.
I think putting gourgeist in something like D-tier would be fine: it does have the unique niche of being a Disabling subseeder, which makes it a bit trickier to break than, say, whimsicott, but unlike whimsicott it gets shut down by Taunt/Encore/Trick and Disable has gotten much less useful than it's been historically.
Geist can afford to run taunt over protect if honestly if u opt to run no hp to prevent taunt+encore on most Pokemon but I just like protect because it lets u deal with Zeraora better. also frisk lets u scout out the ursh variant so if its not banded it becomes more a mind game rather than a flat out loss. I choose b+ because it was easier than going down the entire tier list. I can go into b tier as well. Gourgeist can beat glastrier if its ice resist berry variant (Beats banded variant every time), it beats regielectric because regielectric doesn't do over 50 with any move so u can sub seed on it pretty easily, it beats specs lele variants, it beats lando like I said, it can beat tran if its taunt over protect with mind games (tran usually only runs 1 fire move) It beats some arcanine variants, it beats avalugg flat out, it beats Azu, it beats metagross easily, and it beats some sawk/diancie variants.I can go into c tier as well but I won't for the same reason I didn't go into b before, not as relevant as the s-b+ mons. Also I was just listing the raw quantity of S-B+ rank mons it beats because if it beats most common Pokemon that's a sign that its def good. I wasn't listing them saying that because gourgeist can beat ursh its better than ursh, (I did list Geist as a lower rank than ursh)
Nominating Weavile for C+
I noticed Weavile could be a potential threat to top tier mons so I built with it. Weavile acts as a fast sweeper. With its unique typing it is able to take down notable dragon types like Garchomp, Zygarde and Dragapult thanks to its great STAB move Triple Axel, as well as bulky Psychic types like Necrozma, non-scarf Victini and Cressilia with the use of Knock Off. Weavile has a total of 4 ways to counter Endure Custap Strats by making use of Fake Out, Knock Off, Ice Shard or Taunt which is antimeta right now. When I started building I thought of 2 great Life Orb sets but I'm sure there's people who could think of like Pressure + Taunt stall or Endure / Liechi Berry Pickpocket countersets.
Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 228 HP / 128 Atk / 80 Def / 72 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Fake Out
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Swords Dance / Taunt
General Weavile with STAB and could work as stallbreaker
After some feedback this the final result of bulky LO Weavile: (take LO damage in mind)
Speed is for Band Garchomp so it also outspeeds other base 100s.
252+ Atk Garchomp Outrage (Choice Scarf) vs. 228 HP / 80 Def Weavile: 273-322 (80.7 - 95.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ SpA Necrozma Heat Wave (Non Specs after Knock Off) vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Weavile: 258-304 (76.3 - 89.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Life Orb Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 228 HP / 80 Def Weavile in Grassy Terrain: 263-309 (77.8 - 91.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
176+ Atk Snorlax Double-Edge vs. 228 HP / 80 Def Weavile: 229-270 (67.7 - 79.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Togekiss Dazzling Gleam vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Weavile: 284-336 (84 - 99.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Togekiss Air Slash vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Weavile: 133-157 (39.3 - 46.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Latios Draco Meteor vs. 228 HP / 0 SpD Weavile: 267-315 (78.9 - 93.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Jirachi Iron Head vs. 228 HP / 80 Def Weavile: 278-330 (82.2 - 97.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Offensive Calcs:
128 Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 144 HP / 224 Def Prism Armor Necrozma: 213-253 (57.4 - 68.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO +(48.5 - 57.4%) Triple Axel
128 Atk Life Orb Weavile Fake Out vs. 196 HP / 140 Def Snorlax: 58-69 (11.3 - 13.5%) + (40.7 - 48.2%) Knock Off + (51.1 - 60.5%) Triple Axel
128 Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Victini: 354-421 (87.6 - 104.2%) -- 25% chance to OHKO + (12.1 - 14.3%) Fake Out
Weavile @ Life Orb
Ability: Pressure
EVs: 32 HP / 248 Atk / 12 Def / 216 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Triple Axel
- Knock Off
- Fake Out
- Ice Shard
This is actually a very fun set to use. Its not as bulky but it is able to get about the same amount of matchups + more. This set is able to beat Grassy Seed Rillaboom only, and not its life orb variant. Speed is for Zarude. This is the better set vs custap mons
36+ SpA Necrozma Heat Wave vs. 32 HP / 0 SpD Weavile: 218-258 (75.4 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (sets compendium set)
20+ Atk Snorlax Double-Edge vs. 32 HP / 16 Def Weavile: 219-258 (75.7 - 89.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (sets compendium set)
252+ Atk Rillaboom Grassy Glide vs. 32 HP / 16 Def Weavile in Grassy Terrain: 220-261 (76.1 - 90.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Grassy Terrain recovery
Offensive calcs (the fun stuff)
248+ Atk Life Orb Weavile Triple Axel (40 BP) (3 hits) vs. +1 16 HP / 88 Def Grassy Seed Rillaboom: 360-429 (104.3 - 124.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
248+ Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 374-442 (104.4 - 123.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
248+ Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Naganadel: 229-273 (79.7 - 95.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO + (26.8 - 31.7%) Fake Out
248+ Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Pheromosa: 188-224 (66.1 - 78.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO + (44.3 - 52.4%) Fake Out
248+ Atk Life Orb Weavile Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Archeops: 252-299 (86.5 - 102.7%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO + (14.4 - 16.8%) Fake Out
248+ Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Aegislash-Shield: 320-377 (99 - 116.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO
248+ Atk Life Orb Weavile Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 196 HP / 140 Def Snorlax: 251-296 (49.2 - 58%) -- 97.7%chance to 2HKO+(61.7 - 73.5%)Triple Axel
S Rank Victini W/L vs scarf
S- Rank Urshifu-S L
A+ Rank Primarina L Snorlax W/L
A Rank Cresselia W Genesect L Jirachi W/L vs scarf Moltres-G W Necrozma W Rillaboom W/L matchup dependant Togekiss W/L vs scarf Zygarde W
A- Rank Darmanitan-Galar W/L vs scarf Registeel L Tapu Fini L Urshifu-R L
B+ Rank Aggron L Low Kick though? Dragapult W/L vs specs Garchomp W Haxorus W/L vs scarf Naganadel W Porygon-Z W/L vs scarf Rhyperior L Spectrier W Suicune L Sylveon L Volcanion L Zeraora L
B Rank Arcanine L Blaziken L Crustle L Glastrier L Heatran L Kartana L Kyurem W/L Landorus-T W Pheromosa W Regieleki L Tapu Koko L Tapu Lele L
B- Rank Aegislash W/L Archeops W Avalugg L Azumarill L Diancie L Dracozolt W/L vs scarf Hydreigon W/L vs scarf Landorus W Latios W Metagross W Raikou W Sawk W/L vs scarf Zapdos-G W
C+ Rank Blacephalon W/L vs scarf Buzzwole L Corsola-Galar W with taunt or sd Dracovish L Durant L Ferrothorn L Gardevoir L Kommo-o W Latias W Magnezone L Regidrago W/L vs scarf Rotom-Heat L Volcarona W Whimsicott W Zarude W
Weavile has some very specific matchups. It easily wins if it has a type advantage but it loses to bulky resisting mons because its very frail. It's also very vulnerable to Choice Scarf users. I believe it to be antimeta right now so I'm nomming it for C+ just because of the amount of Ls it takes around the B-rank but otherwise it should work great and has potential.
Lives banded V-Create from vict and payback into Giga Impact kills victini back
Outspeeds 252 Speed Adamant Dracovish
Lives non-banded / LO CC from Shifu(If they bulk up t1 you prob lose)
Sp def to live a Choice Specs Earth Power from Lando
Matchups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Victini, Non-Banded Shifu if you get the roll, Cress?, Jirachi?, Necrozma?, Garchomp, Koko?, Dragapult?, Specs/Scarf PZ?, Nagandel is in your favor, Haxorus if not unnerve, Lando, Moltres-G?, Spectrier, Lele?, Blac, Vish if not scarf or jolly, Regieleki?, niheligo?
Nominating Tsareena for C+
Tsareena @ Custap Berry
Ability: Queenly Majesty
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 144 Def
Adamant Nature
- Power Whip
- Endure
- High Jump Kick
- Triple Axel
I thought this was an interesting endure custap user because it doesn't care about priority
Def for Maximum Chance to Live banded Urshifu Wicked blow
Mathups in vr won(? means not sure or too close to call): Prim, Shifu(Both Forms), Lax?, Zygarde, Aggron, Darm-G?, Chomper, Boom?, Dragapult, Zone, PZ, Nagandel?, Rhyperior, Suicune?, Diancie, Haxorus, Lando(bother forms), Latias, Spectrier, lele?, Zera, Azu if not sap sipper, Regieleki, Clef?, Hydriegon, T-tar
Lives banded bolt strike from vict and DD into waterfall to beat it
Enough speed to outspeed jolly vict/+ spd base 100s after DD
Whip beats waters like prim and fini
More speed can be run if you want to run ice fang to beat chomp
Matchups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Prim, Vict, Cress?, Registeel?, lax, Aggron, Chomp?, Heatran, Fini, Kiss?, Rhyperior, Suicune, Urshifu-Water, Crustle, Diance, Haxorus?, Lando, Lando-I, Blacephlon, Blaziken, Phermosa, Arcanine, Nihelgo, Entei
Mathups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Vict?, Shifu if they CC t1, Sect, Cress(With Knock Off),Rachi, Necrozama, Registeel, Lax?, Zyagrde?, Aggron?, Darmanitan-G if not banded or end reversal, Chomper, Heatran, Rillaboom, Koko?, Kiss?, Dragapult?, Zone, Nagandel, Haxorus, Zera, Glastier, Kartana, Blacephlon with knock, Latias, Corsola-G with knock, Hydriegon, Kommo-o?, Tyranitar, Avalugg, Volc, Aegil
4 def to live 3 hits from scarf rachi
Enough Speed to out speed scarf chomper
Max SpA and rest in SpD
Mathups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Shifu-Single Strike, Cress?, Sect, Rachi, Steel if they amnesia t1, Lax?, Zygarde?, Garchomp, Rillaboom, Kiss if they t-wave t1, Dragapult, Nagandel, Shifu-Water, Haxorus, Lando?, Latios if not scarf or haban, Raikou, Blacephlon, Kartana, Kyureum, Phermosa, Regieleki if you outspeed, Zapdos-G, Archeops?, Hydriegon?, Kommo-o?, Volc
I would also like to add to TSC's weavile post
WeaveThroughUrDefense (Weavile) @ Life Orb
Ability: Pickpocket
EVs: 252 Atk / 44 Def / 20 SpD / 192 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fake Out
- Throat Chop
- Icicle Crash
- Low Kick
Beats non-scarf single strike Shifu and aggron with fake out+low kick
Throat chop can beat specs sect if they click bug buzz t1
Very Very Niche
Lives banded V-Create from vict and payback into Giga Impact kills victini back
Outspeeds 252 Speed Adamant Dracovish
Lives non-banded / LO CC from Shifu(If they bulk up t1 you prob lose)
Sp def to live a Choice Specs Earth Power from Lando
Matchups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Victini, Non-Banded Shifu if you get the roll, Cress?, Jirachi?, Necrozma?, Garchomp, Koko?, Dragapult?, Specs/Scarf PZ?, Nagandel is in your favor, Haxorus if not unnerve, Lando, Moltres-G?, Spectrier, Lele?, Blac, Vish if not scarf or jolly, Regieleki?, niheligo?
Fixed this to take a Choice Banded Victini V-create (bulking urshifu was pointless) while having a much more invest left remaining to dump into attack. This set still looks super iffy at best because Landorus clicks Focus Blast anyway so you should endure t1 and there's no point in bulking Earth Power but that's ok. The Victini matchup also looks sus but that's just Victini things. All in all not sure why I would run this over Ronald (Snorlax) but I guess it's neat.
Old:-1 252+ Atk Choice Band Victini V-create vs. 0 HP / 112 Def Stoutland: 259-306 (83.2 - 98.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
New: -1 252+ Atk Choice Band Victini V-create vs. 116 HP / 16 Def Stoutland: 288-339 (84.7 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Old: 252 SpA Choice Specs Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 0 HP / 80 SpD Stoutland: 262-310 (84.2 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
New: 252 SpA Choice Specs Sheer Force Landorus Earth Power vs. 116 HP / 0 SpD Stoutland: 288-339 (84.7 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Nominating Tsareena for C+
Tsareena @ Custap Berry
Ability: Queenly Majesty
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 112 HP / 252 Atk / 144 Def
Adamant Nature
- Power Whip
- Endure
- High Jump Kick
- Triple Axel
I thought this was an interesting endure custap user because it doesn't care about priority
Def for Maximum Chance to Live banded Urshifu Wicked blow
Mathups in vr won(? means not sure or too close to call): Prim, Shifu(Both Forms), Lax?, Zygarde, Aggron, Darm-G?, Chomper, Boom?, Dragapult, Zone, PZ, Nagandel?, Rhyperior, Suicune?, Diancie, Haxorus, Lando(bother forms), Latias, Spectrier, lele?, Zera, Azu if not sap sipper, Regieleki, Clef?, Hydriegon, T-tar
Tsareena is actually kinda cool with Queenly Majesty and I've always been a fan. I used it during the home meta some and enjoyed it. The new set made now lives a Wicked Blow from jolly Choice Banded Urshifu (if it's adamant perdemos) and has more hp leftover to increase its general bulk. Might have a niche although it will be pretty small of one.
Tsareena @ Custap Berry
Ability: Queenly Majesty
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 212 HP / 252 Atk / 44 Def
Adamant Nature
- Power Whip
- Endure
- High Jump Kick
- Triple Axel
Old: 252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 112 HP / 144 Def Tsareena on a critical hit: 259-306 (82.7 - 97.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Fixed: 252 Atk Choice Band Urshifu Wicked Blow vs. 212 HP / 44 Def Tsareena on a critical hit: 286-337 (84.6 - 99.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
Lives banded bolt strike from vict and DD into waterfall to beat it
Enough speed to outspeed jolly vict/+ spd base 100s after DD
Whip beats waters like prim and fini
More speed can be run if you want to run ice fang to beat chomp
Matchups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Prim, Vict, Cress?, Registeel?, lax, Aggron, Chomp?, Heatran, Fini, Kiss?, Rhyperior, Suicune, Urshifu-Water, Crustle, Diance, Haxorus?, Lando, Lando-I, Blacephlon, Blaziken, Phermosa, Arcanine, Nihelgo, Entei
Ok, so this set definitely could use some work. Ended up optimizing the bulk to live a Banded V-create while also outspeeding base 110s like Gengar because the hp dump seemed kinda redundant if it wasn't for anything. Gyarados actually seems potentially kinda nice in the meta although once again claiming something is a Victini counter is kinda sus because it is, after all, Victini. Gyarados is overall pretty cool just struggles with new competition in the second dlc.
Mathups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Vict?, Shifu if they CC t1, Sect, Cress(With Knock Off),Rachi, Necrozama, Registeel, Lax?, Zyagrde?, Aggron?, Darmanitan-G if not banded or end reversal, Chomper, Heatran, Rillaboom, Koko?, Kiss?, Dragapult?, Zone, Nagandel, Haxorus, Zera, Glastier, Kartana, Blacephlon with knock, Latias, Corsola-G with knock, Hydriegon, Kommo-o?, Tyranitar, Avalugg, Volc, Aegil
Forgot the evs grrr... For real though Incineroar is a cool mon with plenty of tech options to go with it. Always been a fan and glad to see others agree.
4 def to live 3 hits from scarf rachi
Enough Speed to out speed scarf chomper
Max SpA and rest in SpD
Mathups in VR won (? means not sure or too close to call): Shifu-Single Strike, Cress?, Sect, Rachi, Steel if they amnesia t1, Lax?, Zygarde?, Garchomp, Rillaboom, Kiss if they t-wave t1, Dragapult, Nagandel, Shifu-Water, Haxorus, Lando?, Latios if not scarf or haban, Raikou, Blacephlon, Kartana, Kyureum, Phermosa, Regieleki if you outspeed, Zapdos-G, Archeops?, Hydriegon?, Kommo-o?, Volc
Noivern is a cool mon although I don't really know why I would run scarf with it because it only has a base 97 Special Attack stat which isn't very strong. In the future, I also wouldn't dump extra evs into Special Defense but that's just me. Fixed the set up to get 3kod by Scarf Jirachi Iron Head (Ice Punch still owns you '-') and now you outspeed Scarf Blacephalon. Sometimes what's simple is best.
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That's it for now just in the future I would make sure sets are optimal when submitting. Some cool ideas although I don't exactly know how viable they will end up being. They do look fun though and who knows, maybe I'm just underestimating them at first glance. Thanks again to those of you who checked these, cya!
Total November VR Shifts! Rises 11/10/20: Azumarill UR -> B-
11/10/20: Regice UR -> C-
11/10/20: Salamence UR -> C-
11/10/20: Blissey UR -> C-
11/10/20: Rotom-W UR -> C
11/10/20: Ferrothorn UR -> C+
11/10/20: Gastrodon UR -> C
11/10/20: Tyranitar UR -> C
11/10/20: Arcanine UR -> B
11/10/20: Buzzwole UR -> C+ 11/11/20: Diancie C+ -> B-
11/11/20: Drampa D - -> C-
11/11/20: Regice C- -> C
11/11/20: Archeops C+ -> B-
11/11/20: Haxorus B -> B+
11/11/20: Cresselia A- -> A
11/11/20: Suicune B -> B+ 11/13/20: Togekiss A- -> A
11/13/20: Gardevoir C -> C+ 11/14/20: Venusaur UR -> C
11/14/20: Conkeldurr UR -> C
11/14/20: Corviknight UR -> C-
11/14/20: Porygon2 UR -> C-
11/14/20: Scizor UR -> C-
11/14/20: Carracosta UR -> C-
11/14/20: Moltres UR -> C-
11/14/20: Volcarona UR -> C+
11/14/20: Chansey D -> C-
11/14/20: Latias C -> C+ 11/24/20: Jirachi A+ -> A
11/24/20: Moltres-G A- -> A
11/24/20: Haxorus B -> B+
11/24/20: Arcanine B- -> B
11/24/20: Corsola-G C -> C+
11/24/20: Gigalith UR -> D
11/24/20: Regirock UR -> D
11/24/20: Incineroar UR -> C
11/24/20: Mamoswine UR -> C
11/24/20: Thundurus-T UR -> C- 11/25/20: Scizor C- -> C
11/25/20: Articuno UR -> C
11/25/20: Zarude UR -> C+ 11/28/20: Goodra UR -> C+
Stayed The Same 11/10/20: Victini S -> S-, 11/11/20: Victini S- -> S 11/13/20: Blacephalon C+ -> C, 11/24/20: Blacephalon C -> C+ 11/13/20: Nihilego C -> C-, 11/24/20: Nihilego C- -> C
Falls 11/10/20: Drampa C- -> D
11/10/20: Regidrago B- -> C+
11/10/20: Zapdos-G B -> B- 11/11/20: Urshifu-S S -> S- 11/13/20: Haxorus B+ -> B
11/13/20: Heatran B+ -> B
11/13/20: Zapdos C+ -> C
11/13/20: Drampa C- -> D 11/14/20: Arcanine B -> B-
11/14/20: Kommo-o B- -> C+
So, this month saw the creation of the completely revamped SS VR, after the previous October release of DLC 2. We anticipated that the release of all legendaries would dramatically shift the power creep, and basically invalidate half the DLC 1 metagame, which for the most part proved true. The new VR came out on 11/9, after it was clear we wouldn't need to do any more quickbans, and since the metagame had settled down. Immediately, it was obvious that, even with the initial output of the VR, a whole lot of mons needed to be added, as can be seen through the numerous UR rises, pretty obviously due to the development of more niche strategies that always naturally occurs after initial experimentation with the best of the best runs its course. Some very interesting Pokemon explored around this time, that I certainly did not expect to ever be ranked on a 1v1 VR, are Pokemon like Articuno, Regirock, Moltres, and Zarude post DLC 2 ew.
Another trend I noticed is that the best Pokemon ranked, around A- or A, just consistently get better, with Pokemon like Moltres-G, Togekiss, and Cresselia pushing into this ultra-competitive sphere of the solid A rank. Hopefully this more diverse metagame won't fall into the same pitfalls of DLC 2, where team structure was extremely limited if one actually wanted to cover all of their options.
and hopefully no more "Victini dropping from S" shenanigans lmao
Anyway, I look forward to how the end of the year affects the development of DLC 2 uwu
Swampert
Current Rank: C
Nomination: B-
This thing is uber versatile and quite hard to work around in team preview given your team doesn’t have a reliable check to it. The first set that comes to mind of being the most prevalent is YawnTect + Two attacks. You can run Rindo/Chilan or even leftovers on this set. It has/had the ability to check Victini very effectively if you play your cards right and depending on your two attacks of choice. The only reason that I don’t say it’s a Victini counter is because predicting resist berrys isn’t fun and sleep turns could always fuck you up. The only other 2 sets I think have a niche are bulky Band and bulky Specs. Swampert has pretty meh options when it comes to immediate power with it’s water stab as Liquidation is you’re really only option, however it has sone pretty great coverage on the physical side. Some of it’s physical tools include EQ, Liquidation, Ice Punch, Superpower, Outrage, Darkest Lariat, Stone Edge/Rock Slide, and Giga Impact. Specs is very similar except now you get access to the wonders of Hydro Pump and Earth Power. Some other notable tools include Sludge Wave, Ice Beam, and Focus Blast. Definitely lacking on the special side in terms of power and coverage but serves as a niche surprise mon.
Tyrunt @ Choice Band
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang
- Outrage
- Earthquake
Evs are not optimized
(under speeds lvl 99 aegi)
Vict, Can beat shifu with play rough, Sect, Snorlax if they don't have counter, Zygod if they're not haban or they don't coil t1, Darm-g, Darm, Garchomp, Latios, non-balloon tran, choiced pult, Pz with little bulk, nagandel, moltres-g, unnerve haxorus, Spectrier(depends on the set), Zera without fake out or balloon, Dracovish, Glastier, Kartana, Kyureum if not pressure stall, Phermosa without multi-hit move, Regieleki, Salazzle, archeops, Durant, hydriegon, latias, volc, dracozolt, niheilhigo without balloon, non-pressure stall raik and entei and zapdos, Blacephlon, regidraco, rotom-heat, aegi
Tyrunt @ Choice Band
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Stone Edge
- Fire Fang
- Outrage
- Earthquake
Evs are not optimized
(under speeds lvl 99 aegi)
Vict, Can beat shifu with play rough, Sect, Snorlax if they don't have counter, Zygod if they're not haban or they don't coil t1, Darm-g, Darm, Garchomp, Latios, non-balloon tran, choiced pult, Pz with little bulk, nagandel, moltres-g, unnerve haxorus, Spectrier(depends on the set), Zera without fake out or balloon, Dracovish, Glastier, Kartana, Kyureum if not pressure stall, Phermosa without multi-hit move, Regieleki, Salazzle, archeops, Durant, hydriegon, latias, volc, dracozolt, niheilhigo without balloon, non-pressure stall raik and entei and zapdos, Blacephlon, regidraco, rotom-heat, aegi
: both of these should rise a subrank
: drop this
Victini W/L vs scarf
Urshifu-S L
Snorlax W/L
Cresselia W
Genesect L
Jirachi W/L vs scarf
Moltres-G W
Necrozma W
Rillaboom W/L matchup dependant
Togekiss W/L vs scarf
Zygarde W
Darmanitan-Galar W/L vs scarf
Registeel L
Tapu Fini L
Aggron L Low Kick though?
Dragapult W/L vs specs
Garchomp W
Haxorus W/L vs scarf
Naganadel W
Porygon-Z W/L vs scarf
Rhyperior L
Spectrier W
Suicune L
Sylveon L
Volcanion L
Zeraora L
Arcanine L
Blaziken L
Crustle L
Glastrier L
Heatran L
Kartana L
Kyurem W/L
Landorus-T W
Pheromosa W
Regieleki L
Tapu Koko L
Tapu Lele L
Aegislash W/L
Archeops W
Avalugg L
Diancie L
Dracozolt W/L vs scarf
Hydreigon W/L vs scarf
Landorus W
Latios W
Metagross W
Raikou W
Sawk W/L vs scarf
Zapdos-G W
Blacephalon W/L vs scarf
Buzzwole L
Corsola-Galar W with taunt or sd
Durant L
Ferrothorn L
Gardevoir L
Kommo-o W
Latias W
Magnezone L
Regidrago W/L vs scarf
Rotom-Heat L
Volcarona W
Whimsicott W
Zarude W
Swampert
