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Welcome to the 1v1 Viability Rankings thread! This thread is used to discuss how good we think various Pokemon are in the current 1v1 metagame. If you would like to argue the viability of a particular Pokemon, feel free to post here, but make sure to follow our Do's and Don't's:

Do:
- Post intelligently presenting various reasons why you think this Pokemon is ranked incorrectly.
Example: Charizard-Mega X is an amazing Pokemon in the 1v1 metagame due to different factors. Its typing in Dragon/Fire allows it resistance to a lot of types attack such as Electric and Grass. It has great bulk and offense allowing it to pull easily an amazing bulky offensive sets taking on pretty much a lot of threats.

- Present calcs, its sets and its impact on the metagame
Example: Mega Gyarados isn't only blessed by its typing in Water/Dark and ability Mold Breaker it also has a big movepool to abuse making you unable to figure out which sets its running. It may use a set composed of Dragon Dance and three attacks ranging from Crunch, Outrage, Earthquake, Waterfall and even Ice Fang with defensive investment or not, a Taunt set is also usable making it a great mind breaker.

Don't:
- Post one liners such as "Pheromosa has an outstanding attack so it should be ranked higher!!!"
- Attack other users opinions, example: "You don't know the metagame, how do you even see Mimikyu an A+ Pokemon???"

Things to keep in mind when deciding a Pokemon's rank:

- The Pokemon's versatility enters on a big scale in the deciding of its rank, the more unpredictable a Pokemon is, the more Pokemon it can break.

- The Pokemon's stats and capabilities. This Pokemon is able to pull an amazing offensive set or stall out effectively the opponent. This Pokemon takes bulky offense on another
level allowing it to easily sponge and deal insane damage.

- The Pokemon ability to be anti-metagame. This Pokemon's typing and ability makes it able to take on the most dominant Pokemon or typings in the metagame.

VR votes can be found here

Well enough talking, those are the rankings:

S Rank
Charizard-Mega-X
Dragonite
Gyarados-Mega

S- Rank
Magearna

A+ Rank
Charizard-Mega-Y
Greninja
Metagross-Mega
Porygon-Z
Tapu Lele

A Rank
Gardevoir-Mega
Meloetta
Mew
Slowbro-Mega
Zeraora
Zygarde-Complete


A- Rank
Aegislash
Kommo-o
Landorus-Therian
Magnezone
Primarina
Tapu Fini
Victini

B+ Rank
Altaria-Mega
Celesteela
Clefable
Donphan
Garchomp
Genesect
Heatran
Jumpluff
Mawile-Mega
Sableye-Mega
Serperior
Togekiss
Tyranitar-Mega
Venusaur-Mega

B Rank
Aggron-Mega
Blaziken-Mega
Crustle
Ferrothorn
Haxorus
Hoopa-Unbound
Incineroar
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Jirachi
Kartana
Krookodile
Lopunny-Mega
Magneton
Naganadel
Necrozma
Pheromosa
Porygon2
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Registeel
Sawk
Scizor-Mega
Type: Null
Volcarona
Whimsicott

B- Rank
Archeops
Carracosta
Deoxys-S
Diancie-Mega
Golem
Kyurem
Latias-Mega
Manaphy
Medicham-Mega
Pinsir-Mega
Swampert-Mega
Tapu Bulu
Vivillon
Zapdos

C+ Rank
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Aggron
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Ambipom
Araquanid
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Audino-Mega
Avalugg
Blacephalon
Camerupt-Mega
Chansey
Diggersby
Durant
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Emboar
Entei
Gallade-Mega
Gengar-Mega
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Gyarados
Heracross-Mega
Latios
Nihilego
Quagsire
Raikou
Rotom-Heat
Salamence
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Scrafty
Slaking
Smeargle
Steelix-Mega
Terrakion
Umbreon

C Rank
Blastoise-Mega
Blaziken
Blissey
Buzzwole
Darmanitan
Empoleon
Excadrill
Gigalith
Illumise
Infernape
Keldeo
Landorus
Lucario-Mega
Marowak-Alola
Pidgeot-Mega
Pyukumuku
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Regice
Rhyperior
Rotom-Wash
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Scolipede
Skarmory
Talonflame
Thundurus
Thundurus-Therian
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Tyranitar
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Vaporeon
Volcanion
Xurkitree

C- Rank
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Aerodactyl-Mega
Alakazam
Alakazam-Mega
Azumarill
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Celebi
Crobat
Garchomp-Mega
Hydreigon
Lycanroc-Dusk
Muk-Alola
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Musharna
Ninetales-Alola
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Reuniclus
Salazzle
Sceptile-Mega
Staraptor
Suicune
Togedemaru
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Trevenant
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Weavile

D Rank
Abomasnow-Mega
Ampharos-Mega
Arcanine
Aron
Bellossom
Breloom
Chandelure
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Chesnaught
Cloyster
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Decidueye
Delphox
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Exeggutor
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Gengar
Gliscor
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Mamoswine
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Milotic
Rampardos
Relicanth
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Riolu
Roserade
Rotom-Mow
Sceptile
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Shedinja
Stakataka
Sylveon
 
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Sawk C+ -> B-/B(ryy said so). This thing can beat most of the S Tiers, magearna, and many more. Sawk is strong in the current fairy heavy meta, as it can lure them easily and kill with Custap Laser Focus. It can beat Zard X and Y, as well as Gyarados. It has a set for so many pokemon that are prominent right now (such as fightinium laser focus for magearna) ,but it can be held back by the prevalence of Dragonite and Aegislash that we see right now.
 
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Rampardos: D ----> UR


Honestly, this mons main niche is now gone with Mimikyu being banned. Sure, it beats both Mega Charizards and Dragonite (which it may find trouble hitting its main stab Head Smash with its shaky accuracy of 80%) but struggles with almost everything else in the tier. Adding with the fact Mega Gyarados, (arguably the best Pokemon in 1v1), shares its prestigious ability, Mold Breaker which it pulls off better overall. Sorry Mace but, this Pokemon doesn't have a distinct niche that isn't outclassed by other Pokemon.
 
Hate to do this, but have to anyway........

Mega Gyarados from S to A+

Mega Gyarados is a good Pokemon, with pre-Mega ability of Intimidate stacking well with its post-Mega Mold Breaker, and its stats also augmenting it. Metagame started to adapt to it. But then Mega Gyarados which had always suffered from 4MSS, started suffering more when meta became bulkier than it could attack. Now, it has reached a peak of 4MSS suffering, with so many match-ups it could but doesn't beat, and this is why I vouch for a fall in its viability rank to better show its capability. You could say every top-notch Pokemon suffers from 4MSS, but the opportunity cost Mega Gyarados suffers is tremendous compared to others which suffer the same...

W - Mega Gyarados wins, L - Mega Gyarados loses, Anything other is specified near the matchup, DoUS - Matchup depends on User's set DoOS - Matchup depends on Opponent's set, notes written in brackets
S Rank
W
L (Loses to Will-o-wisp, or standard bulky Mega Charizard Y)
W



A+ Rank
L
L (Mega Gyarados bulked to live Choice Scarf Porygon-Z's Uproar twice, but loses to the more common Z-Hyper Beam)
L

A Rank

W
L (Mandatorily needs Crunch to win this matchup)
L(Mega Metagross can both bulk for a +1 Crunch, and invest speed to outspeed max speed Mega Gyarados)
MW (Needs Taunt+Crunch to win this matchup)
DoS(Dual Dance ZyDad bops MDos, but it's not in common use, so can be assumed that Mega Gyarados wins)


A- Rank
L
ML (Tricky situation which depends on Jumpluff needing to miss 1 of the 2 Sleep Powders of its Zleep Powder set)
DoOS (Groundium Landorus-T loses, but Flyinium Z Landorus-T wins)
DoUs (Earthquake KOs Magnezone, but otherwise Mega Gyarados loses)
DoUS (Defensive Mew sets win, offensive sets loses usually)


B+ Rank
W
L
W
L (Bulky Choice Specs / Choice Scarf wins)
L (Komonium Z FTW)
DoP
L
L
W
L (Mega Venusaur is so bulky that +1 Max Attack Outrage 3HKOs Physically Defensive Mega Venusaur)
L

B Rank

W
L (Mega Gyarados loses to Choice Specs, and Z-Metal Sound)

W
L
W
W
W
L (Mega Gyarados needs Flamethrower to nail this matchup, but ends up losing otherwise)
L
DoUS (Choice Specs loses, but TSC made a Charm NPlot DracoZ set which beats [amongst others] Mega Gyarados)
DoS (Choice Specs Necrozma is based on Mega vs non-Mega prediction, while Stored Power Necrozma just loses)
L
W (Taunt basically just wins this, but Will-o-wisp wins otherwise)
L
W
W



B- Rank

W
L
W
W
L (Z-Charm wins)
L
DoUS (Mega Gyarados loses to both Choice Specs and Stall, unless it has Crunch)
Diamond Storm boosts into Moonblast might get the opponent the win, so I'll just say 50/50, coz quite literally, it is
L (The only other thing Flamethrower on Mega Gyarados really helps against, but not otherwise)
W
W
DoOS (Bulky Choice Specs wins)
W
W
L (Z-Noble Roar gets Kyurem the W)
MW (I think Mega Latias wins if it has Charm, but not if it runs Reflect Type)
L (Acid Armor into Scald burns aren't super rare, so Mega Gyarados more often then not loses this matchup)
L (People say Rock Tomb and Thunder Punch exists on Mega Medicham, so I will just go with them)
L (Iron Defense into Z-Dragon Dance into Outrage wins against Mega Gyarados)
W (Non-Mega Taunt into Dragon Dances into Outrage or Waterfall should win)
L (Sleep Powder into Quiver Dance into Z-Hurricane)
L(Leech Seed into Moonblast spam wins, except if Mega Gyarados has Iron Head)


C+ Rank
L (Z-Stone Edge into Stone Edge into Stone Edge into Superpower KOs, Flamethrower could beat it)
W
W
L

L (Rock Blast into Close Combat wins)
W
W
W
L (Mega Gyarados can't 4HKO Porygon2, and TriAttack / Discharge can defeat Mega Gyarados before it can do anything)
L
L (Loses to Bulk Up Sawk)
W (Non-mega Taunt beats Curse variants)
L
L
50/50 (With the right set, Terrakion 50/50s Mega Gyarados)
L


C Rank

DoUS (Z-Bulk Up into Lunge spam can secure the KO against Mega Gyarados)
W
W
W
W
W
L
W
DoUS (Fast Earthquake wins against Magneton but otherwise, Mega Gyarados loses)
W
L (Feather Dance into Hurricane spam)
W (Taunt into setup into comfortable range and then Outrage)
L
W
L
L
50/50
W


C- Rank
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
W
L (Fairium Z Freeze Dry Ninetails-Alola wins)
W
W
W (Gyarados can win by Taunt into Outrage spam)
L (Dragon Pulse into Frenzy Plant KOs)
W
W
W
W
W
W
L


D Rank
L
W
W
W
L
W
W
DoUS (Needs Crunch to win)
W
L
W
W
W
W
L (Fake Tears / Hyper Voice into Hyper Beam wins)
W


As is visible, many of its matches-up stand precariously on Mega Gyarados needing a lot of moves to win, with it losing to a lot of Pokemon without that move. So I'd like to propose Mega Gyarados drop from S to A+
 
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from c+ to atleast b

im not really going to waste my time and do matchups with all vr lmao. mega gengar can beat most pokemon from s to a- brainlessly and with hypnosis+hex+sludge wave combo. It can also be bulked to live hits from physical attackers and use Will-o-Wisp instead of hypnosis to defeat offensive users without risking the miss. it doesn't stop here but looking at the whole vr, mega gengar can just beat anything it wants bar some specific specially defensive Pokemon like Umbreon and Chansey. i mean p much everyone knows what mgar does

 
View attachment 158518from c+ to atleast b

im not really going to waste my time and do matchups with all vr lmao. mega gengar can beat most pokemon from s to a- brainlessly and with hypnosis+hex+sludge wave combo. It can also be bulked to live hits from physical attackers and use Will-o-Wisp instead of hypnosis to defeat offensive users without risking the miss. it doesn't stop here but looking at the whole vr, mega gengar can just beat anything it wants bar some specific specially defensive Pokemon like Umbreon and Chansey. i mean p much everyone knows what mgar does

i didnt think id respond to something like this but you guys absolutely overrate sleep in every way possible. i disagree.

yes, gengar absolutely beats a ton of stuff when you hit your hypnosis, sub, and they stay asleep but dude hypnosis is SO BAD. 60% is pretty horrendous in the first place, but when you account first turn wakes you will only hit hypnosis and sub 39.6% of the time. then you have to hit another hypnosis, and hitting two is a 36% chance. this mon is a bad cheese mon.

not even invincible either, scarfers or faster mons like zeraora plow this thing. a super overrated mon that doesn't appear in tours for a good reason. this mon relaiably beats nothing. it's weak offensively and frail, and we all know nobody's running counter in 2019. if this mon was a good mon that could cheese matchups on top of that, it would be way more notable, however it reliably beats like whimsicott, and that's it. this mon is super outclassed by jumpluff or smeargle or vivillion, which actually beat things reliably, and statistically (above 50 fuckin percent lol)

am i saying this to protect sleep's name so my sm players can use jumpluff in 1v1pl? maybe. but gengar is awful. you don't see it anywhere but 1400s for a reason. should be c-/c if anything, this mon can’t reliably beat anything.

also garchomp + tran to b+, in a zard + gear infested meta they rock. you can run metal sound + flash cannon tran for like lele or whatever. fini running goa is cool for chomp too.
 
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M A M O S W I N E
UR ----> Untested or C-
Mamoswine (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 216 Atk / 84 Def / 208 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Superpower
- Icicle Spear
This set is capable of beating Char Y, Char X (more on mind games), Dragonite (3 hits on Icicle Spear), Gyarados (Stone Edge for Non-Mega, Superpower otherwise, pretty shaky matchup)(Edit: Mamoswine cannot beat Gyarados, even with a super effective move, thanks TDA for pointing it out.), Porygon-Z (As long as it's not Max Speed Timid Scarf), Greninja (Without Shadow Sneak), Zygarde, Jumpluff, Landorus-T, Altaria (Not sure, haven't faced one), Lopunny (Great Lopunny bait), Zeraora (Without Grass Knot), and many more. 84 Def is required to survive a Superpower from a Landorus-T and 3HKOing with Icicle Spear. 208 Spe plus a jolly nature makes it reach 408 Speed, outspeeding Mega Lopunny and Scarf Modest 220 Speed Porygon (The common scarf set). Edit: It also reliably beats all the notable sleep users (Jumpluff, Smeargle, Vivillon. Gengar too.)

It loses to a lot of stuff like bulky Water types (Tapu Fini, Primarina), a bunch of psychic types that it can't KO due to the lack of coverage moves (Gardevoir, Tapu Lele, Metagross), sturdy mons (Donphan and Golem needs 5 hits of Icicle Spear, and Carracost just beats Mamoswine easily), Steel types that can take a hit and OHKO it back (Metagross, Magnezone, Magearna, Heatran with Air Balloon), and lastly, certain forms of stall (Pressure Stall Deo, Type:Null, Lickitung, etc.).All of which are common in the meta, thus proposing it to be C- as a starting point or Untested as I haven't explored to much of its other possible sets, one being the Groundium set that notably, and reliably beats Magearna.

Thanks you for reading.
 
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M A M O S W I N E
UR ----> Untested or C-
Mamoswine (M) @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 216 Atk / 84 Def / 208 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Superpower
- Icicle Spear
This set is capable of beating Char Y, Char X (more on mind games), Dragonite (3 hits on Icicle Spear), Gyarados (Stone Edge for Non-Mega, Superpower otherwise, pretty shaky matchup), Porygon-Z (As long as it's not Max Speed Timid Scarf), Greninja (Without Shadow Sneak), Zygarde, Jumpluff, Landorus-T, Altaria (Not sure, haven't faced one), Lopunny (Great Lopunny bait), Zeraora (Without Grass Knot), and many more. 84 Def is required to survive a Superpower from a Landorus-T and 3HKOing with Icicle Spear. 208 Spe plus a jolly nature makes it reach 408 Speed, outspeeding Mega Lopunny and Scarf Modest 220 Speed Porygon (The common scarf set). Edit: It also reliably beats all the notable sleep users (Jumpluff, Smeargle, Vivillon. Gengar too.)

It loses to a lot of stuff like bulky Water types (Tapu Fini, Primarina), a bunch of psychic types that it can't KO due to the lack of coverage moves (Gardevoir, Tapu Lele, Metagross), sturdy mons (Donphan and Golem needs 5 hits of Icicle Spear, and Carracost just beats Mamoswine easily), Steel types that can take a hit and OHKO it back (Metagross, Magnezone, Magearna, Heatran with Air Balloon), and lastly, certain forms of stall (Pressure Stall Deo, Type:Null, Lickitung, etc.).All of which are common in the meta, thus proposing it to be C- as a starting point or Untested as I haven't explored to much of its other possible sets, one being the Groundium set that notably, and reliably beats Magearna.

Thanks you for reading.
Thank's for taking the time to make this detailed nom post. Just a question: can do you do enough damage with stone edge to still beat gyara if they mega turn 2?
 
Thank's for taking the time to make this detailed nom post. Just a question: can do you do enough damage with stone edge to still beat gyara if they mega turn 2?
I just calced it and apparently Mamoswine really can't beat M.Gyara even if it mega evolves or not. Might have just gotten a crit when I fought against one.
-1 216 Atk Mamoswine Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 48 Def Gyarados: 164-194 (41.7 - 49.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
-1 216 Atk Mamoswine Superpower vs. 248 HP / 48 Def Gyarados-Mega: 152-180 (38.6 - 45.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
No Gyara runs no bulk, and this seems like the standard one.
I'm gonna edit the Gyara thing out. Thanks for pointing it out
 
Nomming Camerupt from C -> B-

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Camerupt-Mega @ Cameruptite
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 92 SpA / 32 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Yawn
- Protect
- Fire Blast
- Ancient Power / Earth Power
Earth Power is an option for some matchups, but Ancient Power wins more.
W = Win
L = Loss
S = Set dependent
3TS = 3 Turn Sleep dependent
*note: 2 sleep turns are being counted as a win.

Zards: W
Dragonite: 3TS
Gyarados-Mega: L
Magearna: W
Porygon Z: S (Loses to specs / normalium z, wins vs scarf)
Tapu Lele: L
Greninja: L
Meloetta: L
Metagross-Mega: W
Slowbro-Mega: L
Zygarde: L
Gardevoir-Mega: W
Jumpluff: L
Landorus-Therian: L
Magnezone: W
Mew: S (Wins vs mewnium and defensive kee, loses vs amnesia stall)
Aegislash: W
Altaria-Mega: W (Needs sleep rolls with Ancient Power, should win every time with Earth Power considering EQ and Bulldoze aren't run very much)
Donphan: L
Genesect: W
Kommo-o: 3TS with Earth Power
Lopunny: W
Primarina: L
Tapu Fini: L
Tyranitar-Mega: W
Venusaur-Mega: W
Zeraora: W
Aggron-Mega: W
Celesteela: W
Chansey: L
Crustle: L
Ferrothorn: W
Garchomp: L
Heatran: L (unless no Earth Power)
Kartana: W
Mawile-Mega: W
Naganadel: W
Necrozma: S (Has a good matchup vs ID / CM Necrozma, but fails to live a Choice Speced Prismatic Laser.
Pinsir-Mega: W
Sableye-Mega: W
Togekiss: L (hax matchup)
Victini: W
Volcarona: W
Archeops: W (252 Atk Choice Band Archeops Head Smash vs. 252 HP / 132+ Def Camerupt-Mega: 310-366 (90.1 - 106.3%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO)
Blastoise-Mega: L
Blaziken: S (Wins vs. non Substitute Reversal when it has Earth Power)
Blissey: L
Clefable: 3TS / Crit
Deoxys-S: S (Wins vs Specs, should lose vs stall unless it has EP in which case a crit can happen and yawn can 50/50 taunt.
Diancie-Mega: L (Can win vs non-Magnet Rise with Earth Power though)
Durant: W
Golem: L
Haxorus: W
Hoopa-Unbound: W
Incineroar: W
Kyurem: 3TS
Latias-Mega: L
Manaphy: L
Medicham-Mega: L
Salamence: 3TS
Swampert Mega: L
Vivillon: L
Whimsicott: S (will lose to Spdef Occa Berry)
Avalugg: L (Mirror Coat)
Blacephalon: W
Carracosta: L
Gallade-Mega: W
Gengar-Mega: Hax Dependent in favor of Camerupt
Heracross-Mega: W
Latios: L
Nihilego: S (Needs Earth Power)
Pheromosa: W
Porygon2: 3TS
Rotom-Heat: W
Sawk: W
Scizor-Mega: W
Skarmory: W
Tapu Bulu: L
Terrakion: W
Zapdos: W

36 W
27 L
5 3TS
7 S
1 Hax dependent matchup in favor of Camerupt

Camerupt actually has a good amount of winning matchups vs upper VR, and is an underestimated and undervalued mon. Sheer Force lets its resisted Fire Blasts still hit really hard, usually being able to kill most offensive pokemon in 2 hits. Glad this pokemon investigation didnt turn out as disappointing as last time!
 
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Chansey B --> B-/C+
Blissey B- --> C+/C

Charm + Seismic Toss/Psywave is illegal again. nuff said
 
Xurk C- -> C/C+

Xurk tryna get out of mediocrity. Mans deserves C or C+, as it’s better against the Meta threats than basically anything in those tiers. Magearna, Fini, prim, special dnite, gyara, metagross, slowbro, non spdef zygarde, mew, alt, aegi.
 
Bellossom

D -> Unrated

The sad truth about this mon is that the small niche it had has been rendered irrelevant by the current Meta

In terms of sleepers, Jumpluff, M-Vena, and Smeargle are all better due to either a higher speed, better bulk, or having a 100% sleep move.

As a Quiver Dance user, it's obviously beaten out by Vivillon due to better SpA, Speed, STAB Moves, and a more accurate sleep move thanks to compound eyes. Volcarona is also far better off due to a far better offensive typing, move pool and better stats with the exception of Def.

Bellosom's Niche is that she boasts the most respectable bulk out of all the quiver dancers as thanks to having the highest amount of bulk as well as strength sap for physical threats plus recovery. Bellossom also has sleep powder unlike Volcarona, but this is where that meta comes in.

Having only a Grass STAB isn't at all valuable in a meta where many of the best Pokemon resist it. That coupled with her best secondary attacks being Fairy and Poison, and you get a Pokemon who's best option against steel types is uncomfortably stalling with leech seed, which other mons do better and sacrifices crucial niche defining moves for Bellossom to do optimally. As a Quiver Dancer, her speed of 50 means she isn't going past 327 after a quiver dance, though most of the time it'll be lower because you'd want to put that nature to bulk or even attack more than speed for Bellsossom, meaning she can still be outside by many of the faster threats and if they're physical and she hasn't strength sapped, still be embarrassingly OHKO'd. That is if you can even get off a sleep powder, accuracy not withstanding, because that speed means even bulky mons can go first to end the match in one turn or set up before Bellossom can get a sleep, making Bellossom have to do even more set up in order to hit them back or praying that their slumber lasts long enough. That speed also severely limits the usefulness of strength sap due to the opponent most likely having either set up or hit you once you do, in which case if you survived that turn as Bellossom you'd have most likely survived it with a better grass type. The final nail in bellossom's coffin is easily the fact that due to being pure grass type, a lot of the meta can hit her with super-effective moves, forcing her into defensive sets even more than her speed and making quiver dance less so of a benefit and an absolute requirement in order to do any true damage, as well as making the item choice extremely tricky between something to sustain Bellossom longer, a z-crystal, or a wide lens for her sleep move.

In conclusion, the meta is far to unkind to Bellossom for her to even be D due to few good match ups, niches being taken by other Pokemon, and stats that work against what few unique tools and combos that it has.
 
What the fuck leave bellossom alone

Semi bulky pure grass (meaning it cant get hit x4) also not weak to rock unlike the other QDs you mentioned so it can pair with zard

Lilligant sucks
 
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What the fuck leave bellossom alone

Semi bulky pure grass (meaning it cant get hit x4) also not weak to rock unlike the other QDs you mentioned so it can pair with zard
Other Quiver Dancers are faster than this, and also, Lilligant is a sort-of-better QDancing Grass-type than Bellossom is.. It also gets a better ability than Bellossom does in Own Tempo, enabling it to spam Petal Dance, though Giga Drain ensures longevity. Every other Quiver Dancer has its ability aiding it, like Tinted Lens Venomoth, Swarm Volcarona, Compound Eyes Vivillon( , Intimidate Masquerain? ) .While Z-Strength Sap might seem good in paper, it fails to do much in battles, and having a v poor speed tiers adds nothing to Bellossom's credit.. So, I support Bellossom to unranked
 
Shouldn't Aggrons regular form be included with its Mega form? I always thought a lot of the viability of Aggron came from the fact that it's initial ability is sturdy, so you could either stay non-mega'd and metal burst/head smash someone, or wheel around and mega evolve to deal with something sturdy would fail against or if it needs the long term bulk? Placing MegAggron there by it's lonesome implies that it's like Mawile or something, and that it's only viability is going mega, Sceptile and Blazikrn include both iterations, so why not Aggron?
Good viability list aside from that btw.
 
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Shouldn't Aggrons regular form be included with its Mega form? I always thought a lot of the viability of Aggron came from the fact that it's initial ability is sturdy, so you could either stay non-mega'd and metal burst/head smash someone, or wheel around and mega evolve to deal with something sturdy would fail against or if it needs the long term bulk? Placing MegAggron there by it's lonesome implies that it's like Mawile or something, and that it's only viability is going mega, Sceptile and Blazikrn include both iterations, so why not Aggron?
Good viability list aside from that btw.
Aggron's main viability to it is the ability to force people to second guess themselves with whether or not they should go for the attack to KO Mega or nudge it to break Sturdy, in the same way that Gyarados and Charizard can opt to not Mega evolve immediately, and is particularly useful when it comes to taking super effective hits from ground or fighting types after having its Sturdy broken, and just generally tanking lethal hits like zardy's Blast Burn or Greninja's Hydro Cannon.

We mainly include base forms along with their Megas in a single VR entry only if both the Mega and the base form are viable as standalone sets, which is why Charizard's VR entry doesn't include base form Charizard at all. That said, sets like Band/Rockium/Custap Berry Aggron are probably viable enough to warrant placement on the VR, so if somebody were to nom regular Aggron for VR placement, it would likely be added to Aggron-Mega's entry and transform it into just "Aggron" with both icons displayed.

The whole philosophy behind Mega vs Base VR placement in 1v1 is still rather shaky and being developed as we go along, so please forgive us if some things don't make sense.
 
What the fuck leave bellossom alone

Semi bulky pure grass (meaning it cant get hit x4) also not weak to rock unlike the other QDs you mentioned so it can pair with zard

Lilligant sucks
Realtalk why would you use either when insert good sleeper here exists
 
Nomming Lilligant from Unranked to D/C-
Lilligant @ Grassium Z
Ability: Own Tempo
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sleep Powder
- Quiver Dance
- Substitute
- Giga Drain / Petal Dance
Lilligant relies on the same thing most others do to beat some threat - sleep, set up, and KO. This set beats Mega Gyarados, non-max Speed Tapu Lele, Z-Porygon Z, Mega Slowbro, Zygarde-C, Landorus-T, Magnezone, Donphan, PrimaFini, and others that it outspeed and can put to sleep. Consider it a worse, slower offensive equivalent of Jumpluff and Venomoth....

e1, in response to Wayaid Haxorus post:

I feel like Haxorus should be higher than B-, maybe to B+
Although Haxorus does have plenty of counters, the thing is one of the most Anti-Meta mons I've used, shutting down all sets of Zard-Y and most Zard-X's, as well as Porygon, Lele, Gardevoir, Greninja, and Magnezone, and Dragonite, to name a few. Although many discard it as a mon lacking refinement, that's the beauty of it. It substitutes versatility with raw power and speed, and it's ability Mold Breaker blasts through a host of Sturdy's and Multiscale. Despite it's downfalls, I believe Haxorus is deserving of a B or B+ ranking.
If u mean Scarf Haxorus(since you mentioned it beating Greninja, which it can't otherwise), Porygon-Z, Lele, and Gardevoir-Mega usually bulks for it, and nukes in return.
252+ Atk Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 0 HP / 184 Def Gardevoir-Mega: 234-276 (84.4 - 99.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Haxorus Poison Jab vs. 252 HP / 96 Def Tapu Lele: 238-280 (69.1 - 81.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Haxorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 200 Def Porygon-Z: 328-388 (87.7 - 103.7%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

Host of Sturdies?
252+ Atk Haxorus Superpower vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Golem: 252-298 (69.2 - 81.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
 
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I feel like Haxorus should be higher than B-, maybe to B+
Although Haxorus does have plenty of counters, the thing is one of the most Anti-Meta mons I've used, shutting down all sets of Zard-Y and most Zard-X's, as well as Porygon, Lele, Gardevoir, Greninja, and Magnezone, and Dragonite, to name a few. Although many discard it as a mon lacking refinement, that's the beauty of it. It substitutes versatility with raw power and speed, and it's ability Mold Breaker blasts through a host of Sturdy's and Multiscale. Despite it's downfalls, I believe Haxorus is deserving of a B or B+ ranking.
 
I apologize in advance if what I’m about to nominate seems bad or wrong in any way, but could we maybe nominate Reuniclus to D/C- rank?
I’ve been experimenting with it lately, and I found that it’s combination of Z Magic Coat (+4 priority +2 SpDef), recover, high base health, and good abilities in overcoat and magic guard have been pretty respectable as being anti-meta in a format with strong special attackers and Pokémon who quite like to use sleep inducing moves and taunt. Examples of its bulk can be seen here:

+3 252+ SpA Meloetta Breakneck Blitz (200 BP) vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus: 355-418 (83.7 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Blast Burn vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus in Sun: 187-222 (44.1 - 52.3%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Blacephalon Shadow Ball vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus: 132-156 (31.1 - 36.7%) -- 60.3% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Breakneck Blitz (200 BP) vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus: 198-234 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 68.8% chance to 2HKO

Even ignoring the Z magic coat set, Reuniclus can still pull sets like Z Reflect, Offense, or even Trick room to mix it up, maintaining its powder or residual immunity.

Still, powder moves/residual damage immunity and high special bulk aside, I can’t nominate Reuniclus higher than D or C- since it faces tons of competition from Tapu Lele, Alakazam, and Clefable, since they have certain qualities over Reuniclus in exchange for recovery, bulk, and powder immunity respectively.
 
Examples of its bulk can be seen here:

+3 252+ SpA Meloetta Breakneck Blitz (200 BP) vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus: 355-418 (83.7 - 98.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ SpA Charizard-Mega-Y Blast Burn vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus in Sun: 187-222 (44.1 - 52.3%) -- 17.6% chance to 2HKO

252+ SpA Blacephalon Shadow Ball vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus: 132-156 (31.1 - 36.7%) -- 60.3% chance to 3HKO

252+ SpA Adaptability Porygon-Z Breakneck Blitz (200 BP) vs. +2 252 HP / 252+ SpD Reuniclus: 198-234 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 68.8% chance to 2HKO
if it's fully invested into it's defenses, is it capable of ohkoing those pokemon back? it's really slow, so even if it lives those powerful hits wouldnt it still lose in those matchups?
 

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