._.

DeLorean

At a glance.
dpmfsb130.png
dpmfb121.png
dpmfb448.png
dpffb242.png
dpmfb297.png
dpffb472.png


Team Tiem
---

dpfbsa130.png


Interstallar 5555 (Gyarados) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/180 Def/100 Spe
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Waterfall
- Stone Edge
- Dragon Dance
- Ice Fang

Back to bulkydos.

---
dpfba472.png


The BrainWasher (Gliscor) (♂) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 HP/252 Def/6 SDef
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Earthquake
- Roost
- Taunt
- Stealth Rock

Just my physical wall. :D
---

dpmba121.png


Aerodynamic (Starmie) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 174 HP/216 Spd/120 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Recover
- Rapid Spin

Just a plain ol' spin star.
---

dpmba448.png


Alive (Lucario) (♂) @ Life Orb
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 Atk/228 Spd/30 SAtk
Hasty nature (+Spd, -Def)
- Close Combat
- Extremespeed
- Swords Dance
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Mixcario, so it's harder to wall.
---

dpfba242.png


Digital Love (Blissey) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def/154 SAtk/104 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Softboiled
- Thunder Bolt
- Ice Beam
- Calm Mind

CM blissey because every other set is gay, and I want to be able to out-tank azelf, raikou, and gengar, who are the main problems for the swords dance sweepers.
---

dpmba297.png


Revolution 909 (Hariyama) (♀) @ Leftovers
Ability: Thick Fat
EVs: 252 Def/180 Atk/78 HP
Impish nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Stone Edge
- Force Palm

My star, and one of the best pogeys on my team.

Restalk hariyama is my tyranitar/weavile/gyarados counter.
---

Threat List

Tyranitar: Hariyama gets all sets. Not a big problem, but it's annoying when it pursuits on starmie ect. I also have lucario, who makes a good switch in for a CBTar locked into stone edge/crunch.

Gyarados: Hairyama again. :3

Infernape: I like to think that gyarados can counter mixape, but NP grass knot is too much of a bitch. This leaves me with gliscor, who can earthquake the living shit out of infernape, but suffers from a similar problem to gyarados. BUT OH WAIT HI MY NAME IS STARMIE.

Azelf: Hello, my name is blissey. Oh, you're going to use explosion? Cool, now I don't have to deal with you.

Electivire: I can resist most of his moves. :D

Heracross: Gliscor can set up on him.

Salamence: Another bitch that I'm weak to. I'm thinking of putting ice beam on starmie to deal with him, because hariyama can deal with gayrados.

Togekiss: I can absorb status (Hariyama) and take flinches (Lucario, with a nifty speed boost) Totally non-threatining.

Gengar: Blissey. If it has focus punch / explosion, I can switch in starmie/gyarados or lucario respectively.

Garchomp: Starmie, but I know I'm just kidding myself.

Lucario: Glisor for physical, Blissey can tank on special.

Starmie: Bliss.

Weavile: Hariyama was made for this.

Dugtrio: I don't know. ?_?

PorygonZ: Blissey and luke, but not really. I'll tell you if I see one.

Machamp: Ugh, machamp. Although there's always confusion, I can setup with gliscor.

Snorlax: Heh. Snorlax. Curselax is pretty irritating, but hariyama can do it with flying coloring.

Zapdos: Hariyama, but toxicstalling is SUCH a bitch. But restalk. :D

Suicune: CMcune. Ugh. I suppose blissey can tank, but not really.

Breloom: Starmie..? No, not really. Also gliscor, but not really.

Slaking: xD

Ninjask: xD

Metagross: Hariyama, sorta.

Heatran: Starmie is pretty good, except for that DAMN SPECS FIRE BLAST.

Jirachi: I don't really know.

Dragonite: Everything in the salamence section.

Mamoswine: Oh shit. I think hariyama, but I dunno.

Gallade: Ugh. I'll just talk about the CB set. I think gliscor can, except for leaf blade which is gay. I can setup and tank, but I haet status. My name is hariyama.

Yanmega: Blissey.

Kingdra: I suggested this and don't know. :\

Roserade: Blissey is pretty good, and hariyama can take status.

RMT pees.
 
Xaio said:
Gyarados: Hairyama again. :3

Just watch out for CB Gyarados. He has the slim but possible chance to 2HKO you with Waterfall, while you don't OHKO with Stone Edge.

Azelf: Hello, my name is blissey. Oh, you're going to use explosion? Cool, now I don't have to deal with you.

You seem to think in terms of single Pokemon and not a team. What do you do to another special sweeper when Blissey is gone? You make it seem like it's a good thing when Azelf explodes on your Blissey.

Electivire: I can resist most of his moves. :D

Electivire hits 5/6 of your team for SE. Mix vire could cause alot of problems if it is behind a Motor Drive.

Togekiss: I can absorb status (Hariyama) and take flinches (Lucario, with a nifty speed boost) Totally non-threatining.

Togkekiss smacks Lucario with Aura Sphere and Hariyama gets steamrolled by Air Slash. =/

Machamp: Ugh, machamp. Although there's always confusion, I can setup with gliscor.

Ice Punch.

Zapdos: Hariyama, but toxicstalling is SUCH a bitch. But restalk. :D

Thunderbolt 2HKOs. =/

Suicune: CMcune. Ugh. I suppose blissey can tank, but not really.

Blissey lets Suicune get 6 CMs in. ;.;

Metagross: Hariyama, sorta.

2HKOd by CB Meteor Mash.

Mamoswine: Oh shit. I think hariyama, but I dunno.

2HKOd by EQ.

Gallade: Ugh. I'll just talk about the CB set. I think gliscor can, except for leaf blade which is gay. I can setup and tank, but I haet status. My name is hariyama.

I think you mean Ice Punch. Gliscor is neutral to Leaf Blade. Hariyama is 2HKOd by CB Close Combat.
Click to expand...
 
You need Modest and max Sp Atk EVs to beat Raikou, or HP Ground. Justp ut Modest on it, and BTW, that Blissey is still gay.
 
Go with Earthquake or Ice Fang over Return. Return's value on Gyara is it's ability to hit nearly all pokemon neutral when combined with Water - if you're already using a third attack, you're better off with a different type.

For the record, CMbliss loses to Raikou (Ice Beam has only 8 PP due to pressure and Bliss won't be able to break Raikou's subs with T-bolt), so it's only a real counter if you've got Toxic Spikes or SS up.

Personally, I'm a fan of Taunt on BP Gliscor - without it, you lose to any self-respectable phazer, and if you can Taunt opposing Gyaras on the switch there's no chance of being set up on. Speaking of being set up on, you don't have a phazer yourself, though I suppose you could switch Gyara in and try to boost alongside any other stat boosters.
 
Dark Void said:
Originally Posted by Fat Xaio
Just watch out for CB Gyarados. He has the slim but possible chance to 2HKO you with Waterfall, while you don't OHKO with Stone Edge.

The great thing about CB waterfall is that I can switch to starmie or gyarados and setup.

You seem to think in terms of single Pokemon and not a team. What do you do to another special sweeper when Blissey is gone? You make it seem like it's a good thing when Azelf explodes on your Blissey.

Admittedly, my teams are somewhat suicidal. I guess I'll just have to switch in to lucario, who can survive an explosion IIRC.

Electivire hits 5/6 of your team for SE. Mix vire could cause alot of problems if it is behind a Motor Drive.

When was the last time you saw electivire? More importantly, what can I do to stop him? I'm thinking of adding dusknoir.

Togkekiss smacks Lucario with Aura Sphere and Hariyama gets steamrolled by Air Slash. =/

Well, when lucario switches in on air slash it gets a speed boost. I can outrun togekiss and OHKO with close combat.

Ice Punch.

I was in the mindframe of the sleep talk set, but I suppose I have a machamp problem. :[

Zapdos: Hariyama, but toxicstalling is SUCH a bitch. But restalk. :D

I can switch out. :\

Blissey lets Suicune get 6 CMs in. ;.;

So do I. :naughty:

2HKOd by CB Meteor Mash.

But I can switch out to gyarados and ddance on the switch.

2HKOd by EQ.

I actually wasn't thinking when I made that entry. Gyarados is my best bet. Immune to EQ and can 2HKO with waterfall, I can basically treat him as setup fodder.

I think you mean Ice Punch. Gliscor is neutral to Leaf Blade. Hariyama is 2HKOd by CB Close Combat.

CB is for choice band. Gliscor is 3-4HKO'd by a CB close combat, and the same goes for ice punch on hariyama. A match made in hell!
Click to expand...

You seem to be under the impression that I can't switch out. Which I can. Be a bit creative.

blasphemy1 said:
You need Modest and max Sp Atk EVs to beat Raikou, or HP Ground. Justp ut Modest on it, and BTW, that Blissey is still gay.
Click to expand...

really.

Fishin said:
Go with Earthquake or Ice Fang over Return. Return's value on Gyara is it's ability to hit nearly all pokemon neutral when combined with Water - if you're already using a third attack, you're better off with a different type.

I'll go for earthquake, EQ and Stone Edge is pretty good coverage.

For the record, CMbliss loses to Raikou (Ice Beam has only 8 PP due to pressure and Bliss won't be able to break Raikou's subs with T-bolt), so it's only a real counter if you've got Toxic Spikes or SS up.

Forgot to put pressure in my calculations. I always thought I could CM up with raikou and then Ice Beam it out. But whatever, I guess I'll start working on it.

Personally, I'm a fan of Taunt on BP Gliscor - without it, you lose to any self-respectable phazer, and if you can Taunt opposing Gyaras on the switch there's no chance of being set up on. Speaking of being set up on, you don't have a phazer yourself, though I suppose you could switch Gyara in and try to boost alongside any other stat boosters.

Hmm. But where should it go? I would use it, but I suffer from 4 slot syndrome already. Movepool idea?
Click to expand...
 
Replace every CB I said with Life Orb. What do you do?

When was the last time you saw electivire?

With that logic, why did you even address it as a threat? =/
 
Xaio said:
People don't use those sets with life orb.

And it was in the threat list.
Click to expand...

People don't use Life Orb Mamoswine, Metagross, Gyarados, or Gallade?

I think you need to pay a little more attention to things, they are indeed ran for versatility or late game purposes with Life Orb instead of Choice Band.
 
Dark Void said:
People don't use Life Orb Mamoswine, Metagross, Gyarados, or Gallade?

I think you need to pay a little more attention to things, they are indeed ran for versatility or late game purposes with Life Orb instead of Choice Band.
Click to expand...

Could you just suggest how I should change my team instead of just pointing it out? It's getting a little irritating.
 
I think your team will benefit more with a Bulky Gyara instead of the EV spread you are using, with Leftovers over Wacan Berry and with Ice Fang, Waterfall, DD, Stone Edge.
With that set, Metagross will not beat your team (if it uses a LO and Thunderpunch, he'll not get past Gliscor's Def with MM and will die to EQ), and Gallade too. If you chose Stone Edge, you can beat Togekiss I think.
Ice Fang is a must (and so is the EV spread) b/c Garchomp totally 6-0s your team without ANY problems. You outspeed it after a DD, Intimidates, and OHKOs barring a Yache Berry.

Seeing that, I sugest Ice Beam over Thunderbolt on Starmie, helping even more with Garchomp (really if someone knows what they are doing, they will 6-0 you, and I know I already said that. You don't have ANY ICE ATTACK besides Blissey who can't do shit to Chomp besides switch and die). You cover other Gyaradoses well with TBolt Blissey and your own Stone Edge Gyara.

Why Gliscor has Sword Pass? Lucario already has SD, Gyara DD (and it's very easy to setup with them) and Haryanma isn't supposed to sweep. You would benefit more with a set with Stealth Rock and/or Knock Off.

After all that changes, Salamence can be beaten with little problems with a combination of Gyarados, Blissey, Starmie and maybe Haryanma (the last would like some SpDef investment, and that would help against Mixed TTars too).

well, all that were just suggestions, hope I could help ^_^
 
And all good suggestions, too.

I just wanted to point out your "mixed ttar" comment.

Any ttar that's mixed will carry fire blast and ice beam, and I have thick fat. I resist his STABs and the common moves on LO tar. :D

Thanks, stvn. Fix'd en massé.
 
OK, I like this team. Props for Hariyama use.

HOWEVER... <.<

I don't think Blissey is as good as you are thinking. it CAN NOT beat special Lucario, because Aura Sphere 2HKOs... best you can do in that situation is get Gyarados again.

Celebi, who isn't on your threat list, can get in on Blissey and Hariyama, get a sub up, and proceed to ravage your team. Blissey's ice beam does crappy damage to it. Gliscor cannot afford to switch in, and after taunting it, can't do anything else. Hariyama can't whirlwind because it doesn't have it, and can't switch in.

To make matters worse, Gyarados, Blissey, and Hariyama all have enough HP to "feed" leech seeding Celebi, the most common variant.

Blissey doesn't beat Celebi... Celebi "eats" Blissey
 
oh yeah, I really forgot about Thick Fat
anyway, a very solid team. And looking again, Dusknoir is beaten by CM Bliss, so I'll edit that in my first post ^_^

edit @Skiddle
Special Lucario uses Specs, so he can switch Gyara/Starmie on the Aura Sphere, so I see no problems there...
idk about the Celebi thing, boosted Ice Beams really hurt. Leech Seed will be VERY annoying, however.
 
Porky said:
ok, seriously, gyarados wants taunt, to stop shit like t-waves and will-o-wisps.
Click to expand...

what.

hello, my name is restalk hariayama. have you met my good friend natural cure starmie?

skiddle said:
OK, I like this team. Props for Hariyama use.

HOWEVER... <.<

I don't think Blissey is as good as you are thinking. it CAN NOT beat special Lucario, because Aura Sphere 2HKOs... best you can do in that situation is get Gyarados again.

The best I can do is switch into gyarados. Luke switches in on blissey to kill 'er, while I just CM up. 2HKO turns into a 3HKO, then a 4HKO, ect.

Celebi, who isn't on your threat list, can get in on Blissey and Hariyama, get a sub up, and proceed to ravage your team. Blissey's ice beam does crappy damage to it. Gliscor cannot afford to switch in, and after taunting it, can't do anything else. Hariyama can't whirlwind because it doesn't have it, and can't switch in.

Celebi gets a sub up, and I use calm mind. Celebi uses leech seed, and I use calm mind. Celebi uses grass knot, I use softboiled. I procede to raep.

To make matters worse, Gyarados, Blissey, and Hariyama all have enough HP to "feed" leech seeding Celebi, the most common variant.

See Above.

Blissey doesn't beat Celebi... Celebi "eats" Blissey

You get over 9000 internets for not saying rape, but I can do celebi E-Z-P-Z.
Click to expand...

stvn said:
oh yeah, I really forgot about Thick Fat
anyway, a very solid team. And looking again, Dusknoir is beaten by CM Bliss, so I'll edit that in my first post ^_^

edit @Skiddle
Special Lucario uses Specs, so he can switch Gyara/Starmie on the Aura Sphere, so I see no problems there...
idk about the Celebi thing, boosted Ice Beams really hurt. Leech Seed will be VERY annoyng, however.
Click to expand...

leech seed is an established problem. thanksabunch stvn.
 
Porky said:
ok, seriously, gyarados wants taunt, to stop shit like t-waves and will-o-wisps.
Click to expand...

what.

hello, my name is restalk hariayama. have you met my good friend natural cure starmie?

skiddle said:
OK, I like this team. Props for Hariyama use.

HOWEVER... <.<

I don't think Blissey is as good as you are thinking. it CAN NOT beat special Lucario, because Aura Sphere 2HKOs... best you can do in that situation is get Gyarados again.

The best I can do is switch into gyarados. Luke switches in on blissey to kill 'er, while I just CM up. 2HKO turns into a 3HKO, then a 4HKO, ect.

Celebi, who isn't on your threat list, can get in on Blissey and Hariyama, get a sub up, and proceed to ravage your team. Blissey's ice beam does crappy damage to it. Gliscor cannot afford to switch in, and after taunting it, can't do anything else. Hariyama can't whirlwind because it doesn't have it, and can't switch in.

Celebi gets a sub up, and I use calm mind. Celebi uses leech seed, and I use calm mind. Celebi uses grass knot, I use softboiled. I procede to raep.

To make matters worse, Gyarados, Blissey, and Hariyama all have enough HP to "feed" leech seeding Celebi, the most common variant.

See Above.

Blissey doesn't beat Celebi... Celebi "eats" Blissey

You get over 9000 internets for not saying rape, but I can do celebi E-Z-P-Z.
Click to expand...

stvn said:
oh yeah, I really forgot about Thick Fat
anyway, a very solid team. And looking again, Dusknoir is beaten by CM Bliss, so I'll edit that in my first post ^_^

edit @Skiddle
Special Lucario uses Specs, so he can switch Gyara/Starmie on the Aura Sphere, so I see no problems there...
idk about the Celebi thing, boosted Ice Beams really hurt. Leech Seed will be VERY annoyng, however.
Click to expand...

leech seed is an established problem
 
Xaio said:
what.

hello, my name is restalk hariayama. have you met my good friend natural cure starmie?
Click to expand...

all i'm saying is that a will-o-wisp or thunderwave will stop gyara's sweep, return doesnt really hit anything that stone edge doesn't.
 
Porky said:
all i'm saying is that a will-o-wisp or thunderwave will stop gyara's sweep, return doesnt really hit anything that stone edge doesn't.
Click to expand...

I changed it to ice fang, and gyara can switch out, because I dropped swords passing. Thanks anyway
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top