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A new UU ladder
- Thread starter obi
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Yes, but eventually the 'new UU' will replace it, because that will be what UU was supposed to be like all along.
And who knows? Maybe it'll turn out to be almost the same. I doubt it though. I'm sure we don't need to ban 50 Pokemon to get a balanced metagame.
Why are you guys comparing Rhyperior in this new metagame with Rhyperior in the old UU metagame ?_?
I mean, I would venture to guess that it is pretty obvious that Rhyperior being included in the current uu metagame would make it BL, but I am guessing that the relative power of this new tier will be higher than the old tier...so I can't say the same.
I don't know how some of you are so adamant in your positions.
I mean, I would venture to guess that it is pretty obvious that Rhyperior being included in the current uu metagame would make it BL, but I am guessing that the relative power of this new tier will be higher than the old tier...so I can't say the same.
I don't know how some of you are so adamant in your positions.
Whenever we are going to start this I am going to be playing this regularly
That's sort of what will actually happen. We'll be banning Pokemon gradually until we get a metagame that we, as a community are happy with (e.g. not over-centralized, about 50 usable Pokemon, etc.). The less used stuff from the 'new UU' will go down to NU, but anything overpowering or centralizing will also be sent back to BL, and Rhyperior may be one of them.
There is nothing in UU that can stop Rock Polish rhyperior! Holy crap, I cannot believe what I am hearing! Hell, if made bulky enough, a Swords Dance set could sweep as well, fearing nothing except faster Grass Knot or Surf users.
You don't need "thorymon" to find out something with 416 attack and 350+ speed would annihilate UU, or do I have to post damage calculations. Again.
Who suggested this!?
You don't need "thorymon" to find out something with 416 attack and 350+ speed would annihilate UU, or do I have to post damage calculations. Again.
Who suggested this!?
In the 'new UU', I'm sure there'll be plenty of ways to stop Rhyperior. Things like Alakazam, Chansey, Kingdra, Crobat, etc. might be in the tier. It'll be a much stronger tier than the UU we have now.
Actually I'd love to see the calcs for Weezing, Blastoise, Gastrodon and Venusaur.
Even if you did prove me wrong, this would mean nothing for two reasons. One: damage calcs are not the be-all and end-all of an argument, and two: what Aldaron and everybody else is saying. Nobody is suggesting to bring Rhyperior down to the current UU, you need to compare it alongside other BLs.
OK, and what exactly in BL can stop Rock Polish Rhyperior? Tangrowth maybe, but Megahorn would rip a hole in that theory.
With no levitating steels or swampert kicking around, Rhyperior is going to rape face. I'm guessing it will be only a couple weeks before it is banned.
I don't care how overhyped rhyperior was... I've faced it before, and if it gets a rock polish it's hard to take down. It's more fearsome than agiligross by far, with 416 attack and two 150 power moves.
With no levitating steels or swampert kicking around, Rhyperior is going to rape face. I'm guessing it will be only a couple weeks before it is banned.
I don't care how overhyped rhyperior was... I've faced it before, and if it gets a rock polish it's hard to take down. It's more fearsome than agiligross by far, with 416 attack and two 150 power moves.
Donphan and Hariyama.
Rain Teams will also put a "damper" on Rhyperior's ability to set up and take hits which should be pretty popular taking into account of the many buffs they've recieved.
Skiddle, that is theorymon and you (should) know it. "Megahorn rips a hole in that theory", well Grass Knot makes its point more eloquently and faster. Weezing might be 2HKOed by Life Orb Stone Edge (I haven't checked but I assume so), but what happens when it's switched in on a move that isn't Stone Edge? Burned Rhyperior, useless. You're honestly telling me that you're going to be setting up Rock Polish when I'm switching in Blastoise every time and threatening with Surf?
Also, Rhyperior is hurt hard by a lack of Sandstorm. Solid Rock only goes so far to compensate against super-effective Special Attacks, but even neutral ones will be beating Rhyperior down with that pitiful HP/SpD.
I have no doubt that Rhyperior will be a dominating presence, quite possibly BL, but to ban it without even testing it is ridiculous.
Also, Rhyperior is hurt hard by a lack of Sandstorm. Solid Rock only goes so far to compensate against super-effective Special Attacks, but even neutral ones will be beating Rhyperior down with that pitiful HP/SpD.
I have no doubt that Rhyperior will be a dominating presence, quite possibly BL, but to ban it without even testing it is ridiculous.
Hippodown and Hippo Jr will be included in this version of UU.
Let me tell you something: most good BL teams are contructed of things that are either too fast or too threatening for Rhyperior to even have an opportunity to set up. It's one of those things, like Rampardos, that new players look at and say "wow!", when it's overrated tbqh.
I'd rather use Armaldo, especially on an SS team.
It's an unbalanced tier, and people know that. The UU mentality of "counters" doesn't work there, especially when a +2 CM Mismagius you forgot to prepare for in the sea of "threats" is ripping through your team.
It's not a theory if it can be proven. I can back it up with math, I've used Rhyperior, and I've fought against Rhyperior.
I doesn't need Sandstorm to be a beast. It definitely helps, but Rhyperior is tough to take down if you don't have any scarfers with special water or grass attacks.
And it doesn't need a Rock Polish to do massive damage. It still has that attack stat no matter how fast it is.
I doesn't need Sandstorm to be a beast. It definitely helps, but Rhyperior is tough to take down if you don't have any scarfers with special water or grass attacks.
And it doesn't need a Rock Polish to do massive damage. It still has that attack stat no matter how fast it is.
Have you played any BL matches? If you haven't, it is theory. I know Age of Kings plays BL matches, and she said that teams are able to deal with Rhyperior, that is not theory.
The reason this is being implemented is so that we aren't forced to have ridiculous debates like these to determine tier placement, it's so that we have ridiculous debates like this with experience to determine tier placement. There is absolutely no point to this if you are going to say "let's unban all of them except Rhyperior, I mean come on look at those stats/typing/trait"
The reason this is being implemented is so that we aren't forced to have ridiculous debates like these to determine tier placement, it's so that we have ridiculous debates like this with experience to determine tier placement. There is absolutely no point to this if you are going to say "let's unban all of them except Rhyperior, I mean come on look at those stats/typing/trait"
I've never used it, but I've fought it several times, and never have I had problems against it.
As I've seen, Rhyperior is a good Pokemon to punish people who enjoy spamming quick solution walls such as Uxie or Regice (I've never used either, haha), but overall, I think it's overrated. Everything else will either cripple or murder it, so how can it set up if it can't even get the time to do it? And believe me, when a simple Will-O-Wisp will destroy it and waste you a team slot, all that attack won't do anything to save base 40 speed.
Hippowdon is still OU. We do not update the tier lists every month.
This thread is not to discuss strategy (or claim certain Pokemon are obviously broken). This thread is more for the logistics of setting up the ladder and questions about the rules. If you want to make a strategy thread, feel free to do so.