These are just my thoughts however. I may very well be wrong. Again d1 is a data gathering day for me so I can find scum later.
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NOC a nice basic game of actual mafia - game over - won by the Mafia
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twin is looking better as he posts, too
Punch on between dle and empoof right here
Or not. Night poofy
*Starts sulking about missing the punch out
So sandshrewz what do you think. I have been watching you over the last while reading up on the forum while keeping quiet. Anything to add?
Hi sorry I'm making an excel for my own reference. up to page 4 only atm lol there's so many post.
will post w/e when im done but dont expect much. You can consider me a noob with <5 games and don't really know what he's doing !
will post w/e when im done but dont expect much. You can consider me a noob with <5 games and don't really know what he's doing !
Hi, i compiled in a sheet till like page 6 and gave up cos it ended up being a repetition of things lol and DLE basically took up the whole sheet ~_~
My opinions thus far for everyone I try... but it probably won't be of use to anyone.
Aubisio: He posted quite a few posts, but actually has zero columns on my sheet somehow. It feels to me that he hasn't actually contributed much but 'looked active' and is basically 'off the radar' for the most part. He hasn't really questioned or be questioned? Or I missed posts idk. Overall questionable
DLE: Basically baiting everyone and hoping whoever he baits is a mafia and screws up somewhere. I guess that makes sense. If I'm not wrong his mafia reads are empoof, twin, haruno, idleer. Overall a very active townie / mastermind
Empoof: I think he's trying to be helpful to less experienced players? Thanks tho. Doesn't like a D1 idle lynch. MAF read on whydon, haruno, shubaka. town read dle, king, oddish overall idk
Former Hope: Hasn't really talked too much either I think. I noted that he noted that some lynches were being random or something can't rmb what I wrote it for >_> overall passive playing
Mithril: Also finds Haruno weird. DLE as town/mastermind. Whydon as probably new town. overall no read
Haruno: Really really weird imo, I guess that's what people are saying too. Some say it's prolly his town style. All he did was randlynch,joke lynch, and lynch Jalmont for idling/being odd. overall WHO KNOWS
Jalmont: idling. Probably just waiting for more info. IDK it seemed like he was always a lay low person and wouldn't stab himself in his foot if he was mafia. but ??? questionable
King_: idk he seems like a very aggressive guy wanting to bait people, but in a more aggressive way than DLE? That's what I feel lols. aggro playing
OM room: Doesn't like twin? Ended up not lynching, and hasn't exactly done anything questionable so :0 idk
shubaka17: rand lynch/bw Haruno, questions King_. didn't get much from him either. idk
Somewhatoddish: prefers to reserve judgement first until there's more info/better reads. passive
Thetwinmasters: also questions King_. maf read shubaka. idle lynch trop. idk
Tropiusisbae: your old name is better !!!!! passive
Whydon: seems like the popular opinion is either new town or mafia. idk
I guess I see why I looked so mafia. Since like the preferred style is poke and poke until someone contradicts somewhere and we can all question it.
And yea I didn't really say anything cos I previously haven't properly read everything and just skimmed through for mentions and was rather disconnect from everyone. And I personally can't read people from d1 like this :X Feel free to classify me as mafia/noob town. I shall try to be a responsible villager and try not to accidentally look mafia and waste everyone's time e_e
I'll go see if there's anything I should be replying to. But lmk if I left something unanswered
My opinions thus far for everyone I try... but it probably won't be of use to anyone.
Aubisio: He posted quite a few posts, but actually has zero columns on my sheet somehow. It feels to me that he hasn't actually contributed much but 'looked active' and is basically 'off the radar' for the most part. He hasn't really questioned or be questioned? Or I missed posts idk. Overall questionable
DLE: Basically baiting everyone and hoping whoever he baits is a mafia and screws up somewhere. I guess that makes sense. If I'm not wrong his mafia reads are empoof, twin, haruno, idleer. Overall a very active townie / mastermind
Empoof: I think he's trying to be helpful to less experienced players? Thanks tho. Doesn't like a D1 idle lynch. MAF read on whydon, haruno, shubaka. town read dle, king, oddish overall idk
Former Hope: Hasn't really talked too much either I think. I noted that he noted that some lynches were being random or something can't rmb what I wrote it for >_> overall passive playing
Mithril: Also finds Haruno weird. DLE as town/mastermind. Whydon as probably new town. overall no read
Haruno: Really really weird imo, I guess that's what people are saying too. Some say it's prolly his town style. All he did was randlynch,joke lynch, and lynch Jalmont for idling/being odd. overall WHO KNOWS
Jalmont: idling. Probably just waiting for more info. IDK it seemed like he was always a lay low person and wouldn't stab himself in his foot if he was mafia. but ??? questionable
King_: idk he seems like a very aggressive guy wanting to bait people, but in a more aggressive way than DLE? That's what I feel lols. aggro playing
OM room: Doesn't like twin? Ended up not lynching, and hasn't exactly done anything questionable so :0 idk
shubaka17: rand lynch/bw Haruno, questions King_. didn't get much from him either. idk
Somewhatoddish: prefers to reserve judgement first until there's more info/better reads. passive
Thetwinmasters: also questions King_. maf read shubaka. idle lynch trop. idk
Tropiusisbae: your old name is better !!!!! passive
Whydon: seems like the popular opinion is either new town or mafia. idk
I guess I see why I looked so mafia. Since like the preferred style is poke and poke until someone contradicts somewhere and we can all question it.
And yea I didn't really say anything cos I previously haven't properly read everything and just skimmed through for mentions and was rather disconnect from everyone. And I personally can't read people from d1 like this :X Feel free to classify me as mafia/noob town. I shall try to be a responsible villager and try not to accidentally look mafia and waste everyone's time e_e
I'll go see if there's anything I should be replying to. But lmk if I left something unanswered
Just random points. RE whether village should lie. IDRK and it should probably come down to the game itself. Maybe some constructs are okay if you lie to bait mafia. But for this one, probably not ?
I personally still prefer no lynch over a mislynch with info. I don't really know why it's called mislynch with info since it's still a mislynch anyway. IMO it's safer to keep the numbers up if we aren't too sure for a lynch without some very obvious reads but that's probably not gonna happen so haha. Just my personal preference and don't know if that's actually a good or bad thing to do.
And yes I didn't want to contribute because I didn't want to throw a villager under the bus by accident. Seems like that's not a likely thing if I can't even form a proper read so I shall contribute a bit if I can? It's probably not much of a contribution anyways so >_>
I suppose talking randomly would make it easier for people to not think you're mafia since you're actively asking to be poked at.
So yes I don't have any good reads but feel to poke or w/e if that helps with village.
Is that an okay reply? >_> haha
I personally still prefer no lynch over a mislynch with info. I don't really know why it's called mislynch with info since it's still a mislynch anyway. IMO it's safer to keep the numbers up if we aren't too sure for a lynch without some very obvious reads but that's probably not gonna happen so haha. Just my personal preference and don't know if that's actually a good or bad thing to do.
And yes I didn't want to contribute because I didn't want to throw a villager under the bus by accident. Seems like that's not a likely thing if I can't even form a proper read so I shall contribute a bit if I can? It's probably not much of a contribution anyways so >_>
I suppose talking randomly would make it easier for people to not think you're mafia since you're actively asking to be poked at.
So yes I don't have any good reads but feel to poke or w/e if that helps with village.
Is that an okay reply? >_> haha
Well, I am going to go ahead and call sandshrewz town. Mafia would not need a spreadsheet. So either he is very good at lying, or he is town. I tend to think the latter. What does everyone else think
My scum reads right now are sandshrewz and Jalmont. I think sandshrewz has been intentionally lurking all game to avoid suspicion + being essentially confronted by DLE. TBH the post they made about everyone seems to just be the popular opinion of what users like DLE and King_ have been saying about the game. It's kinda strange that tropiusisbae seems to have determined that sandshrewz is village just based off of that post (which I think has been sandshrewz's only post that has contributed to the game so far), but then again DLE did the same thing with OM Room after OM Room gave their response to being voted, so I'll look past that. Still looks like they were trying to just appeal to the popular opinion about everyone with that post, however. Also I still think that "I thought it was night time" post was just an excuse as to why he hadn't been posting.
I don't like Jalmont's playstyle. If he is village, then I still don't like it. He has essentially been posting one-liners all game, has not contributed anything of substance to the game, and his first post was "don't vote me". Extremely suspicious gameplay on his part. Unless he is trying to intentionally act scum to avoid being targeted by maf, but I find that unlikely considering the fact that this is a NOC, so the only information any of us can receive is based off of the actions everyone does in this game.
Still on the fence about SomewhatOddish. DLE's post about her gameplay tying in with her personality seems to have reduced my suspicion about her, but to be honest I'm still not sure.
As for the other mafia, I would assume they have been actively posting so far. It would make no sense for the entire mafia team to idle throughout this day. I agree on the Haruno + Empoof suspicion.
I don't like Jalmont's playstyle. If he is village, then I still don't like it. He has essentially been posting one-liners all game, has not contributed anything of substance to the game, and his first post was "don't vote me". Extremely suspicious gameplay on his part. Unless he is trying to intentionally act scum to avoid being targeted by maf, but I find that unlikely considering the fact that this is a NOC, so the only information any of us can receive is based off of the actions everyone does in this game.
Still on the fence about SomewhatOddish. DLE's post about her gameplay tying in with her personality seems to have reduced my suspicion about her, but to be honest I'm still not sure.
As for the other mafia, I would assume they have been actively posting so far. It would make no sense for the entire mafia team to idle throughout this day. I agree on the Haruno + Empoof suspicion.
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p sure I explained my lynch on Haruno at the time, but I'm more concerned about your wall. this seems like a really geeat post, explains your reads on everyone. but when you get to the important stuff, the "are you scum/how are you playing?" 7 are unknowns, 3 passives, and 2 aggros. I mean, the DLE was the most in depth obv bc of post count, but your read on Aubisio was great with seeing what isn't there as much as what is.
also idk if you're as new here as I am, considering the "lul spreadsheet must be town" comment. overall this is hitting me as something a player would do under orders of the mastermind
I find myself in a neutral stance here right now, because everywhere I look I see town reactions. This is probably because I'm bad at scumhunting; but I really don't know what to do about today's lynch. Should we nolynch? I feel like that would be counterproductive. So I'm really stuck right now: all I can tell is what other people have said. King seems town, as far as I can tell. I've looked back over the NOCs Haruno's been in and they (he or she?) seem somewhat scummier now. It's quite hard finding scumreads here to be honest~
Walrein
Could we have @lynches please?
Also please don't sub me out, me is active but me has nothing to say :\
Walrein
Could we have @lynches please?
Also please don't sub me out, me is active but me has nothing to say :\
what do you tend to look for to find scum?
I think you're townier for making the read but a teammate could have told sandshrewz to do it; I agree with whydon, especially since it's not very clear what this spreadsheet even did given the reads presented were mostly just a summary of the game so far
Generally terrible/OMGUSy defenses, bwing with no reason during voting stage, (this is kinda PSMafia specific) attempted/successful quickhammers, bad claims (nurse, tourist), being very lurky, refusing to communicate, unreasoned buddying, anything unreasoned, really.
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Why are you suspicious of empoof? Explain in your own words.
This is fine. Kinda fluffy but it's early.
Empoof said:
Odd characterization, comes off as an excuse for posting someting you're not being scumread for. Feels way way too defensive; you shouldn't need to give excuses why you posted a meta discussion. Scummy.
Empoof said:
This could be scummy but I don't think so; shows active thinking about pros and cons about voting for jalmont. I think it was slightly townie for wanting to vote people that you can get a read on in terms of not placing a vote on jalmont, but that wasn't your reasoning here which is really weird. You go into not scumreading him at all which isn't a good reason, but I think that you might make that mistake as either alignment.
Empoof said:
Town reading and wanting to town read the people that think the same way you do is null. Taking your sweet time in recognizing it and having it translate into a post is scummy unless you just weren't active at the time, in which case it's null.
Also the questions you ask here were super useless, which is part of why I initially scumread you. You never turned those questions into either avenues for a newer player to get acclimated and contribute, or to generate a read yourself. Scummy but I could see a world of town not knowing what questions to ask.
Empoof said:
These are really scummy. You get your first scumread and then don't do anything with it. This doesn't fit from a town perspective; you finally found someone you want to lynch! What do? I know! Ignore it question mark? It makes zero sense.
Also feels like you're trying to leave room open for scumreads on OM room later without substantiating why you think his posting is null; you just say "I get it" to my reasoning. That's not townie trying to solve game, that's mafia trying to reduce a town circle.
empoof said:
Townie, actively thinking about how oddish relates to the game and sows some desire to try to find town.
Empoof141: Give scum team of all my reads. They work well together for me. At the time none of these 3 had talked about eachother at all and I had them all labeled as scum. Sandshrewz was my gut idler for his poor activity posts of idk what i'm doing. Bring up DLE mastermind idea I was working with that went away. Ask DLE about scum team with Haruno and I since I'm against Haruno. 143: DLE responds and I see where he's coming from. said:
I was confused why you didn't vote for Haruno closer to 119/120. It felt like Haruno was your top scum read at the time and you just let it go. Not voting AGAIN in 141 is just icing on the cake on my worries. Scummy
That's not townie to not have changed your mind on people, thats scummy lol.Empoof said:
So here are some thoughts I have at the moment:
Jalmont is still suspicious to me. People are saying that what they're doing now is their playstyle, but still, something about it all rubs me the wrong way. They've still got a chance to prove me wrong, but keeping as a scumread for now.
Sandshrewz has done absolutely nothing to alleviate suspicion. Even when they finally started posting, they seemed to be avoiding the situation at hand and even suggested they stopped watching the thread altogether. Sure, they have that spreadsheet, which seems impressive. Until you realize that it all contains basic information that had been blatantly stated throughout D1, with absolutely no original input. The bolded text could be interpreted as their feelings, but it looks more like the general opinions of the people who posted.
I've been keeping an eye on Empoof. More evidence seems to be coming out against them.
Aside from that, my opinions are generally the same as my last reading.
Jalmont is still suspicious to me. People are saying that what they're doing now is their playstyle, but still, something about it all rubs me the wrong way. They've still got a chance to prove me wrong, but keeping as a scumread for now.
Sandshrewz has done absolutely nothing to alleviate suspicion. Even when they finally started posting, they seemed to be avoiding the situation at hand and even suggested they stopped watching the thread altogether. Sure, they have that spreadsheet, which seems impressive. Until you realize that it all contains basic information that had been blatantly stated throughout D1, with absolutely no original input. The bolded text could be interpreted as their feelings, but it looks more like the general opinions of the people who posted.
I've been keeping an eye on Empoof. More evidence seems to be coming out against them.
Aside from that, my opinions are generally the same as my last reading.
Who doesn't claim town.
You're Dullagamur.
Why did you make a different name?
Idlers/Actives anyone can be Mafia. If the person doesn't contribute within 10 pages of Day 1, I'm assuming either he doesn't want to be a target or doesn't want to slip. Unless the person just doesn't read the game and on that reasoning should be subbed.
I think you should finish reading the game and make an updated post because this one doesn't really help you.
Spreadsheet =/= Town
Just say your thoughts on people or game in general. Who do you think could possible be scum or a scum team together. Who are your town reads etc.
Honestly guys, from what i've seen some people seem to think Empoof + Haruno are scum. I have no idea on how to read them, mind telling me the why's etc?
I will explain the reasoning about the 4 I think could be a scum team.
Shubaka - Usually will try and convince town that he is town himself from what I've experienced. This game early on felt like he tried to put me off and ignore me. From my experiences on Showdown with him, he is generally a decent player that sometimes expresses his opinions unless he is tired, but since we have time I don't think he should be this quiet.
Tropius - My previous experience with Dullagamur is that she tends to state the obvious but this game she only had a few posts in the beginning that really had no value.
Twin - This guy is a good player aka Metagame Mafia Winner, I called him out early because of his idleness. I felt that he should have at least posted something because he is one of those guys I think can really pressure and give out his thoughts.
Aubisio - From what I remember early on, he didn't talk much and just had activity posts. I felt maybe he was trying to be under the radar but at the same time not seem scum.
I will explain the reasoning about the 4 I think could be a scum team.
Shubaka - Usually will try and convince town that he is town himself from what I've experienced. This game early on felt like he tried to put me off and ignore me. From my experiences on Showdown with him, he is generally a decent player that sometimes expresses his opinions unless he is tired, but since we have time I don't think he should be this quiet.
Tropius - My previous experience with Dullagamur is that she tends to state the obvious but this game she only had a few posts in the beginning that really had no value.
Twin - This guy is a good player aka Metagame Mafia Winner, I called him out early because of his idleness. I felt that he should have at least posted something because he is one of those guys I think can really pressure and give out his thoughts.
Aubisio - From what I remember early on, he didn't talk much and just had activity posts. I felt maybe he was trying to be under the radar but at the same time not seem scum.
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