Darmanitan's BST = 480
Darmanitan Zen's BST = 540
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Darmanitan Zen's BST = 540
Then Delphox-z would have 69 Spe its lowest base stat. OR 186 Spe to have +60 BST.
Edit: once again would fire/psychics get Sheer Force?
I say we make it standard in all ability changing OM's.
Yet another thing I forgot to ban.
I'm not sure that's possible... it would technically involve coding new Pokemon.
Oh, and no. Because only Darmanitan Normal has Sheer Force, and Darmanitan-Z doesn't, pure fire types will get Sheer Force.
Some interesting sets:
Lanturn@Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Bold/Calm Nature
252Hp/252Def or 252Hp/252Sdef
Ability: Levitate
- Heal Bell
- Volt Switch
- Scald / Surf
- Ice Beam / Rest / Thunder Wave / Thunderbolt
While you would think this is just lame, but it holds its niche: It is a cleric which can, thanks to Volt Switch, keep your momentum.
It somewhat emulates Rotom-W, switching into Ground moves and threatening them with Scald.
The EVs are a little random, but you can really fit them to your team.
Conkeldurr@Assault Vest
100Hp/152Sdef/252Atk? (idk)
Adamant Nature
Ability: Regenerator
- Drain Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch / Mach Punch
- Knock Off
Our bulky Fighting type returns back with Regenerator!
Courtesy of Mienshao, it now can take powerful hits over and over, and dish them back!
Lanturn@Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Bold/Calm Nature
252Hp/252Def or 252Hp/252Sdef
Ability: Levitate
- Heal Bell
- Volt Switch
- Scald / Surf
- Ice Beam / Rest / Thunder Wave / Thunderbolt
While you would think this is just lame, but it holds its niche: It is a cleric which can, thanks to Volt Switch, keep your momentum.
It somewhat emulates Rotom-W, switching into Ground moves and threatening them with Scald.
The EVs are a little random, but you can really fit them to your team.
Conkeldurr@Assault Vest
100Hp/152Sdef/252Atk? (idk)
Adamant Nature
Ability: Regenerator
- Drain Punch
- Thunder Punch
- Ice Punch / Mach Punch
- Knock Off
Our bulky Fighting type returns back with Regenerator!
Courtesy of Mienshao, it now can take powerful hits over and over, and dish them back!
With all these Too-bad-to-be-banned-but-too-OP-to-not-be-banned abilities running around, I'm thinking of adding an Ability Clause.
What do you guys think?
Thanks for all the support.
EDIT: Also, I know quite a few javascript, but I have no idea to turn this into an actual mod, so if anyone knows how I can code this or how can I implement it or which server etc. please let me know.
EDIT 2: Also, I comprised the list of all Viable and Not-Viable Huge/Pure Power users here: http://pastebin.com/F2KjnjhF
What do you guys think?
Thanks for all the support.
EDIT: Also, I know quite a few javascript, but I have no idea to turn this into an actual mod, so if anyone knows how I can code this or how can I implement it or which server etc. please let me know.
EDIT 2: Also, I comprised the list of all Viable and Not-Viable Huge/Pure Power users here: http://pastebin.com/F2KjnjhF
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I say we wait until we have battles.With all these Too-bad-to-be-banned-but-too-OP-to-not-be-banned abilities running around, I'm thinking of adding an Ability Clause.
What do you guys think?
Thanks for all the support.
Pure Power Belly Drum Extremespeed Linoone
It may seem overpowered at first, but there are some good counters.
+6 252+ Atk Silk Scarf Pure Power Linoone Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Fur Coat Chansey: 606-713 (86 - 101.2%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO
I know Fur Coat Chansey is banned. But look at the damage roll. With Steel types taken out (Maybe by a Magnet Pull Aggron), Linoone can wreck shit.
I know Fur Coat Chansey is banned. But look at the damage roll. With Steel types taken out (Maybe by a Magnet Pull Aggron), Linoone can wreck shit.
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I was about to come here to say put Linoone on the HP/PP banlist, but it seems others have already done that.
Seriously, it's broke.
Seriously, it's broke.
Most people are forgetting that there are many counters.
252+ Atk Focus Sash Teravolt Kyurem-B Outrage vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Silk Scarf Huge Power Linoone: 393-463 (132.3 - 155.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Even if Kyurem-B only gets Pressure and Turboblaze as new abilities.
252 Atk Focus Sash Infernape Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Linoone: 500-590 (168.3 - 198.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Same here.
252+ Atk Silk Scarf Huge Power Linoone Extreme Speed vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Probopass: 41-49 (12.6 - 15.1%)
And even with 0 Defense Probopass tanks it like a boss.
252+ SpA Probopass Power Gem vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Linoone: 148-175 (49.8 - 58.9%) -- 99.6% chance to 2HKO
So here's something to note.
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Keep in mind that nothing can run Fur Coat, plus Linoone would most likely be running Adamant with either Choice Band or Belly Drum. After a BD, Huge Power Linoone OHKOs anything that doesn't resist it, and a lot of things that do. It has a pretty ridiculous damage output.
I realized the mistake and edited the post.
And I am using Fur Coat because DineshThePoet did in his post.
I know you were, I just assumed you were using it as a counterargument which wouldn't work considering nothing can use it, whereas DineshThePoet was just using it for comparison's sake.
And about the Kyurem-Black thing: anything that depends on Sash to counter is not a true counter due to the nature of what a counter is: a Pokemon that can switch into whatever its opponent throws at it and reliably beat it no matter the circumstance. Sash can be broken just by switching into entry hazards, and any prior damage also ruins it. The only true counters to Linoone are really bulky Steel types. Not even ghosts can "counter" because they can't switch into Shadow Claw.
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Ah, I have found the problem.
I originally allowed Pokemon with 70- attack to have Huge/Pure Power. This was because I somehow thought Diggersby had 70 attack, so I was sticking to game rules.
From now all Pokemon with over 56 Attack cannot have Huge Power, not counting Azumarill etc.
Sorry for this big stupid argument, I'm just an idiot.
Haha, it's all good. I was never mad, just making a case.Ah, I have found the problem.
I originally allowed Pokemon with 70- attack to have Huge/Pure Power. Thiswas because I somehow thought Diggersby had 70 attack, so I was sticking to game rules.
From now all Pokemon with over 56 Attack cannot have Huge/Pure Power.
Sorry for this big stupid argument, I'm just an idiot.
Normal Choice Specs Solar Power Charizard has also a ridiculos damage output in the sun (2HKO Chansey and Suicune in the sun, lel), yet it isn't broken at all. Thats because it requiers Sun and a free switch in to destroy stuff. Linoone isn't that bulky. It's not hard to do +75% damage to it. It needs a free turn and a free switch in to actually pull off that ridiculos damage roll. Not broken at all,
252+ SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Charizard Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Eviolite Chansey in Sun: 301-355 (42.7 - 50.4%) -- 1.2% chance to 2HKO
252+ SpA Choice Specs Solar Power Charizard Solar Beam vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Suicune in Sun: 408-482 (100.9 - 119.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Wow, never realized that.
But Huge Power is still banned, just to make it easier.
Just gonna throw some stuff out there.
Cofagrigrigus and Dusclops both get Prankster from Mega Banette. Priority Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Memento, and Destiny Bond anyone? And oh yeah, they both get priority Haze, which completely stops set up sweepers. Their insane bulk+Haze+Will-O-Wisp will allow them to check all the dangerous set up sweepers in the tier.
Huge Power has some really good abusers, such as Linoone and Persian. Persian now gets Huge Power boosted Fake Outs, and can use an effective scout set of Fake Out, U-Turn, Knock Off, Return/Taunt. Linoone just goes to town after a Belly Drum boost, as the calcs show. You can easily set up on walls with a sub, and then procede to annhilate them after the boost. Linnone doesn't even need to boost up to be effective; STAB Extreme Speed coming off an effective base 416 attack can easily revenge kill weakened Pokes. I think were all forgetting that with Huge Power, Linoone isn't forced to run Belly Drum to actually do some damage. It can run an effective LO set to punish offensive teams, or a CB set to demolish stall teams. I mean, look at those calcs, this thing is completely broken.
+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 279-328 (83.5 - 98.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Aggron: 205-242 (59.5 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 166-196 (49.7 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Aggron: 123-144 (35.7 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Gliscor: 373-441 (105.3 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 372-438 (88.5 - 104.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 766-903 (108.8 - 128.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Venusaur: 250-295 (68.6 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Smeargle now gets Oblivious, letting it become the ultimate hazard setter (aside from his stats though). You could even run Huge Power to try to make his attack stat usable.
Porygon 2 can now choose between Serene Grace, Intimidate, Natural Cure, or Oblivious to further boost its walling capabilities.
Contrary looks pretty powerful, Liligant can run a set of Sleep Powder/ Quiver Dance/ Leaf Storm/ Hidden Power Fire. Ursaring can abuse Close Combat, Superpower, or Hammer Arm.
Cofagrigrigus and Dusclops both get Prankster from Mega Banette. Priority Will-O-Wisp, Pain Split, Memento, and Destiny Bond anyone? And oh yeah, they both get priority Haze, which completely stops set up sweepers. Their insane bulk+Haze+Will-O-Wisp will allow them to check all the dangerous set up sweepers in the tier.
Huge Power has some really good abusers, such as Linoone and Persian. Persian now gets Huge Power boosted Fake Outs, and can use an effective scout set of Fake Out, U-Turn, Knock Off, Return/Taunt. Linoone just goes to town after a Belly Drum boost, as the calcs show. You can easily set up on walls with a sub, and then procede to annhilate them after the boost. Linnone doesn't even need to boost up to be effective; STAB Extreme Speed coming off an effective base 416 attack can easily revenge kill weakened Pokes. I think were all forgetting that with Huge Power, Linoone isn't forced to run Belly Drum to actually do some damage. It can run an effective LO set to punish offensive teams, or a CB set to demolish stall teams. I mean, look at those calcs, this thing is completely broken.
+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 279-328 (83.5 - 98.2%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
+6 252+ Atk Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Aggron: 205-242 (59.5 - 70.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 232+ Def Skarmory: 166-196 (49.7 - 58.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Aggron: 123-144 (35.7 - 41.8%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 184+ Def Gliscor: 373-441 (105.3 - 124.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Hippowdon: 372-438 (88.5 - 104.2%) -- 62.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 766-903 (108.8 - 128.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Huge Power Linoone Return vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Mega Venusaur: 250-295 (68.6 - 81%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
Smeargle now gets Oblivious, letting it become the ultimate hazard setter (aside from his stats though). You could even run Huge Power to try to make his attack stat usable.
Porygon 2 can now choose between Serene Grace, Intimidate, Natural Cure, or Oblivious to further boost its walling capabilities.
Contrary looks pretty powerful, Liligant can run a set of Sleep Powder/ Quiver Dance/ Leaf Storm/ Hidden Power Fire. Ursaring can abuse Close Combat, Superpower, or Hammer Arm.
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