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I don't think you understand how lopsided child support is in favor of mothers in the US
Okay I don't, really, but it seems to me that since the mother actually has to carry for 9 months, give birth to, and raise and nurture a baby, a father that checks out can probably contribute most of the finances. Raising a kid isn't easy- making enough money to pay for both of you is even harder.
 

Eraddd

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it is true that it is the actions of both the man and the woman to fertilize an egg
but after that, until the child's birth, it is the woman and the woman only,
and as such she should have the major say about what happens to the baby during that period of time
once it is born it becomes a dual responsibility again
i dont think the legal slant is so unjustified as you make it seem
So after conception and before birth, it's completely the woman's decision that determines whether the child is aborted or not, regardless of the male's decision if he wants the baby or not. And then it becomes dual responsibility that the male has to take care of the child he did not want in the first place?

And I don't think you understand the extent of the legal slant America has against males in custodial and usually any cases involving a child.
 
Pregnancy is a life-threatening condition of course, so any court that forces a woman to carry a child to term on behalf of the father is effectively sanctioning her death some of the time.
 
Okay I don't, really, but it seems to me that since the mother actually has to carry for 9 months, give birth to, and raise and nurture a baby, a father that checks out can probably contribute most of the finances. Raising a kid isn't easy- making enough money to pay for both of you is even harder.
she can choose to get rid of it if that seems like too much effort, though
 
I can't believe abortion is legal. You may disagree, but IT IS TAKING A LIFE!

You're preventing the life of a baby, you don't know what it will become. You are stopping life. All men are created equal. How is this true if some people are denied creation?
 

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So after conception and before birth, it's completely the woman's decision that determines whether the child is aborted or not, regardless of the male's decision if he wants the baby or not. And then it becomes dual responsibility that the male has to take care of the child he did not want in the first place?
im not saying there arent things that could be fixed with how our legal system handles custodial issues, because there are

the core of my argument is that yes, the father should have no say in a mother getting an abortion if she does not want him to have a say

I'll also say that there should be some sort of system where a father is allowed to cut themselves off entirely from the mother and child before it is born. The woman should be able to choose what she does with her body, but the man should be able to choose his degree of contact with the offspring. No contact, no child support. If it's the woman that wants the abortion but the man doesn't, then really, just tough shit for the man.
basically
 

Stratos

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oh god no kingcharizard agrees with my general idea and i was considering posting.

welp, all credibility lost.
 
I'll also say that there should be some sort of system where a father is allowed to cut themselves off entirely from the mother and child before it is born. The woman should be able to choose what she does with her body, but the man should be able to choose his degree of contact with the offspring. No contact, no child support. If it's the woman that wants the abortion but the man doesn't, then really, just tough shit for the man.

@kingcharizard Really we have to have an intelligent discussion wherein we define what a human life actually is, because as it is, early term foetuses don't exactly have real brains.
 
do you ever wish sandi was funnier

also while i'm normally loath to lock discussion-based threads, this really has no chance of going anywhere

neither side is going to be enlightened of anything, and people always get a bad case of the Hurt Feelings

i'll leave it up to the other mods though cause i'm kind of a pussy!!!
 
Let's not abort this thread late-term

I dunno i think there's some good discussion going on. Almost everyone in the thread seems to agree that abortion in some form should be legal at least some of the time.

sandi toksvig is not funny.
 

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I can't believe abortion is legal. You may disagree, but IT IS TAKING A LIFE!

You're preventing the life of a baby, you don't know what it will become. You are stopping life. All men are created equal. How is this true if some people are denied creation?
Are you truly 13? Just wondering. But anyways, what would you say if a woman was raped? Do you think she should be denied abortion?
 

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the core of my argument is that yes, the father should have no say in a mother getting an abortion if she does not want him to have a say
Then you agree that the father should be able to cut himself off since he didn't want the baby in the first place. If you agree to this, then we can see eye to eye.

Then again, that's a pipe dream. Never going to happen.
 

zorbees

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I have the solution to this problem!
Flip a coin.
Heads: The mother gets an abortion.
Tails: The mother does not get an abortion.
Now you can stop arguing amongst yourselves and start looking for a rigged coin.
 
clearly masturbation propaganda is brainwashing the youth and inspiring abortion frenzies, or as the rappers call them, "hanger parties"
 

Nastyjungle

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Here's a question. Your parents could have aborted you if they messed up. Have you ever thought of that? We wouldn't be here today if our parents had decided to abort us. Now do you feel about that?
i wouldn't feel about that because i wouldn't be alive


heard lots of stories about "mothers" aborting their babies. They regretted it for the rest of their life.
have you heard all the stories about mothers who don't regret it because they were able to live out what part of their life they needed to live without a baby? how about all the kids who grow up on the streets and are doomed to fail from the moment of birth because their unfit mothers kept them?
 
have you heard all the stories about mothers who don't regret it because they were able to live out what part of their life they needed to live without a baby? how about all the kids who grow up on the streets and are doomed to fail from the moment of birth because their unfit mothers kept them?
Look at the crime rate of New York City in 1993. It fell through the floor because abortion was legalized by the state in the 1970's. Just throwing that out there...
 
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