Yeah butterfree is very cool in this meta. With accesses to powerfull moves like blue flare and boomburst, It's quite strong actually. It can be used as a sweeper, or a baton passer. Not the best, but has a nice niche
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SpartanMalice
Y'all jokers must be crazy
Both Lati
Steam Eruption - Samurott, Seismitoad, Starmie, Salamence and mixed Sharpedo, Slow twins, anything really, considering most of this group gets Shell Smash (idk if it has been banned yet), they have no problem running Mixed anyway, especially Sharpedo.
As for Diamond Storm no one gets it as STAB but there are decent users of it, like Darmanitan, Diggersby and Dugtrio. I don't remember if Storm had a secondary effect, but if it does it's gonna be a very good move for Darm.
Light of Ruin - Both the Latis and Lucario, Landorus-I, maybe Ludicolo.
Steam Eruption - Samurott, Seismitoad, Starmie, Salamence and mixed Sharpedo, Slow twins, anything really, considering most of this group gets Shell Smash (idk if it has been banned yet), they have no problem running Mixed anyway, especially Sharpedo.
As for Diamond Storm no one gets it as STAB but there are decent users of it, like Darmanitan, Diggersby and Dugtrio. I don't remember if Storm had a secondary effect, but if it does it's gonna be a very good move for Darm.
OH GOD STEAM ERUPTION. I FORGOT ABOUT STEAM ERUPTION.
Although, to be honest, I never saw Scald being used. Probably because Sacred Fire is generally better. But Steam Eruption will make like even more hellish for physical attackers that already get hit by burns all the time.
Diamond Storm has a chance to increase Defense, so it is indeed very good on Darm.
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
*Searing Shot, in the case of special attackers
Steam Eruption: Suicune, Sceptile, Swampert and Sylveon. (Sceptile is the best user, imo, having access to Spore, or with an outright offensive set of Shell Smash, Seed Flare, Searing Shot and Steam Eruption, granting it excellent coverage. Even Dragons don't want to take the chancy SpD drop from Seed Flare)
Light of Ruin: The Latis and Landorus are the best users.
Diamond Storm: Diggersby is the best user imo. But it's usually better off having Dark Void. But note that D-mons get Dragon Dance. I've seen one of two Duoblades using that. Dugtrio could use it, I guess, more reliable than Stone Edge.
Seconded. Try using a Fusion Bolt + Flare Blitz Greninja. It works (Because Froakie can learn Fusion Bolt and Flare Blitz). Moves can be inherited from Pre-evos in the current ladder. Probably misinformed server coding.
Proof: http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/alphabetcup-96187597 (Flare Blitz + Fusion Bolt Greninja. Defend Order + Diamond Storm Excadrill & ExtremeSpeed Sylveon)
That aside, a Freeze Shock Greninja does sound very cool. Maybe Frost Breath to mess up Thundurus, but would be a real waste of a Power Herb + Geomancy.
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im not sure if anyone has mentioned this but...
belly drum adaptability basculin.
belly drum adaptability basculin.
Stars of my team:
Breloom @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Punch
- Belly Drum
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/alphabetcup-96584815
Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Sticky Web
- Spikes
- Spore
gg
Breloom @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Technician
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Jolly Nature
- Spore
- Mach Punch
- Bullet Punch
- Belly Drum
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/alphabetcup-96584815
Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SDef
Bold Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Sticky Web
- Spikes
- Spore
gg
Someone really needs to alert whoever coded Alphabet Cup to fix that.
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
No Attacking moves. Massive Taunt Bait. GG.
Not all in the same set. *facepalm*
At first I understood it to mean the same but who would use shell smash without any attacks xD
Pikachuun
the entire waruda machine
A lot more people than you would think originally. (And I am not counting Smashpass)
Woops my bad. I've corrected the learnset checker, so it should be live in the next day or two. Sorry about that!
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No, that isn't a set, just some moves it can learn.............
canno
formerly The Reptile
Slaking is mad powerful. It does have 4MSS though, since it needs to run Skill Swap and Return for STAB, leaving 2 moves. Still think it's a top tier mon though. Personally, I run Sacred Fire and a support move or Protect.
This thread seems to be focused on the letters B and S a lot, which I think is BS.
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In all seriousness, Rampardos. Rampardos has the highest base attack of all non-legendary non-mega evolutions. And now it gets Rock Wrecker and Rollout. When combined with a Life Orb, it can get off some serious damage, but when combined with a Wide Lens (yup, using a Wide Lens) and perhaps switched in on a Baton Pass with boosted Speed and Defense/Special Defense, you can get off all 5 hits of Rollout. The fifth one will have a base power of 480, which, when combined with STAB and the already high attack, can wreck practically anything. I don't have time to go to the damage calculator, but lemme be the first to say holy s***.
EDIT: Sans Wide Lens, the odds of Rollout hitting all 5 times is (9/10)^5, which comes out to...about 59%. Better than Sheer Cold, but that's not saying much.
Speaking of Sheer Cold, Lapras gets Lock-On. 100% accurate Sheer Cold is my kind of Sheer Cold.
(insert 2 drums and a rimshot here)
In all seriousness, Rampardos. Rampardos has the highest base attack of all non-legendary non-mega evolutions. And now it gets Rock Wrecker and Rollout. When combined with a Life Orb, it can get off some serious damage, but when combined with a Wide Lens (yup, using a Wide Lens) and perhaps switched in on a Baton Pass with boosted Speed and Defense/Special Defense, you can get off all 5 hits of Rollout. The fifth one will have a base power of 480, which, when combined with STAB and the already high attack, can wreck practically anything. I don't have time to go to the damage calculator, but lemme be the first to say holy s***.
EDIT: Sans Wide Lens, the odds of Rollout hitting all 5 times is (9/10)^5, which comes out to...about 59%. Better than Sheer Cold, but that's not saying much.
Speaking of Sheer Cold, Lapras gets Lock-On. 100% accurate Sheer Cold is my kind of Sheer Cold.
That would also work. It would probably work better, in fact. Forgot about Hone Claws.
Both Rock Wrecker and Rollout are kind of terrible to be honest. The problem is that Rampardos is very frail; while it has immense power, it's going to be very hard pressed to either survive for the 4 turns it would take to get to the 480 BP Rollout, or to survive the revenge kill after it uses Rock Wrecker. Because it takes a minimum of 2 turns to set up, plus it has to be brought in on something that can't immediately KO it, it's really not worth the effort. It could be ok with Head Smash or Stone Edge, but it doesn't really gain anything other than Rapid Spin, Recover, and maybe Rock Blast, none of which it can really make great use of. I just don't see Rampardos ever being worth using in this, because it has the same problems as it always does, and almost everything else gains more than it does, so it just sinks even further into obscurity.
re: Lock On Sheer Cold Lapras, that combination already exists (Articuno has it). There's a reason it never gets used; OHKO moves are banned. Apart from that, you can always just switch out of Lock On and its effect disappears, so it's not exactly reliable
re: Lock On Sheer Cold Lapras, that combination already exists (Articuno has it). There's a reason it never gets used; OHKO moves are banned. Apart from that, you can always just switch out of Lock On and its effect disappears, so it's not exactly reliable