Not true. Omniguard, Vigilante, Mayor, and Watcher would not give the PT's target a result.
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NOC Amnesiac Mafia Game 1 - N2
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vonFiedler Is the Don informed that the psych targeted them even if they already know their role PM?
Our psych options are real slim since the psych has no reason to lie except under ridiculous circumstances. I have never received my role PM. That scratches pluff, Sam, and rssp1. If Flyhn is to be believed, that also scratches Flyhn and Yeti. If you think I've recieved my role PM to be playing like this you are daft whether you think I'm town or scum.
If aska is the psych then Ditto knows who he is and if Flyhn is to be believed, so does aska, but aska never received anything. That scratches him.
If I am the psych rssp1 and jumpluff should have their PMs which really seems unlikely considering rssp1 would want to use that to lynch me and clean himself and jumpluff is fine with people coming forward.
If Ditto is the psych then jumpluff would know their role PM which again would let them come forward.
If Walrein is the psych rssp1 would know and again he has motivation to come forward.
So really what I'm getting at is that something important is missing in our big picture. One likely option is that Flyhn is lying. Another is that aska is. Another is that rssp1 is. Maybe another action failed that someone with scummy targets failed to mention. But all of these have sweeping implications.
Our psych options are real slim since the psych has no reason to lie except under ridiculous circumstances. I have never received my role PM. That scratches pluff, Sam, and rssp1. If Flyhn is to be believed, that also scratches Flyhn and Yeti. If you think I've recieved my role PM to be playing like this you are daft whether you think I'm town or scum.
If aska is the psych then Ditto knows who he is and if Flyhn is to be believed, so does aska, but aska never received anything. That scratches him.
If I am the psych rssp1 and jumpluff should have their PMs which really seems unlikely considering rssp1 would want to use that to lynch me and clean himself and jumpluff is fine with people coming forward.
If Ditto is the psych then jumpluff would know their role PM which again would let them come forward.
If Walrein is the psych rssp1 would know and again he has motivation to come forward.
So really what I'm getting at is that something important is missing in our big picture. One likely option is that Flyhn is lying. Another is that aska is. Another is that rssp1 is. Maybe another action failed that someone with scummy targets failed to mention. But all of these have sweeping implications.
so is it a good idea for everyone who was targeted by the psych to step forward? Wouldn't that just reveal the psych or would we just put the omni on them to prevent a kill on them?
what if omni doesn't know who they are? I feel like its suboptimal for people who were targeted by psych to claim that they were given their role.
what if omni doesn't know who they are? I feel like its suboptimal for people who were targeted by psych to claim that they were given their role.
I believe the argument is solving the puzzle is more important than any individual's life.
Currently 6 v 3.
If we lynch correctly: 6 v 2.
Kill gets through hook and omniguard: 5 v 2.
Lynch correctly again: 5 v 1.
Kill gets through again: 4 v 1.
Lynch correctly: 4 v 0 and village wins.
That's without factoring in the vigilante kill.
Currently 6 v 3.
If we lynch correctly: 6 v 2.
Kill gets through hook and omniguard: 5 v 2.
Lynch correctly again: 5 v 1.
Kill gets through again: 4 v 1.
Lynch correctly: 4 v 0 and village wins.
That's without factoring in the vigilante kill.
We're trying to solve the game, rssp1. Revealing the psych and clearing potentially two other targets is definitely worth is stage especially becuase:
1) If Flyhn is telling the truth there are easy town targets and any amount of psych clearing only overloads the mafia at this point.
2) If Flyhn is lying psych chaining is probably the only way to find out for sure because as I see it no one makes sense as the psych right now and there are a lot of potential reasons for that.
Also I think the Don would have a pretty good idea of who the omni is anyway given the target matrix and their failed kill. Best to commit as much as possible.
1) If Flyhn is telling the truth there are easy town targets and any amount of psych clearing only overloads the mafia at this point.
2) If Flyhn is lying psych chaining is probably the only way to find out for sure because as I see it no one makes sense as the psych right now and there are a lot of potential reasons for that.
Also I think the Don would have a pretty good idea of who the omni is anyway given the target matrix and their failed kill. Best to commit as much as possible.
I am at work sorry I had a super busy weekend and didn't have time to think through things until today
The lynch today should be Jumpluff 100%, it's four hours until deadline so I'll say that for now from my phone, I'll be on in 90 minutes to explain but basically look at the order of claims realize Jumpluff is don and everything becomes incredibly obvious (though there's still a little ambiguity it'll get easily cleared up with PT/Wacher)
Wish I could post more from a phone but I'll post all my reasoning in 90, I needed to post this ASAP however due to impending deadline
Fuck it a few bullet points:
-aska is obviously omni, Flyhn is obviously PT, and kill failed. No one kills aska because he is an idler and was suspicious until recently so don was hooked and Jumpluff was hooked
- there's so many conundrums because Jumpluff shouted to the hooker who they are and to lie about the target, that's why there's so much that makes no sense
- Blazade is probably being framed by rssp1 but either way those two are an effective 50/50 for hooker( or Walrein could be I guess), check the order of claimed targets and results to see why Blazade being framed makes so much sense; Jumpluff fits as don with either but particularly rssp, who probably got psyched n0 and so knew to lie and thus why so many results don't make much sense
- Blazade or Walrein is psychiatrist unless rssp1 is clean and vig/psych in which case Blazade/Walrein is hooker. Blazade psych makes sense because pluff is bad but Walrein makes sense too. Either way pluff is bad no matter how this breaks down
- silencer is one of ditto/Walrein/Blazade/myself (from others' perspective), hard to tell as if now but we can use PT and watcher to figure out who is lying
- Jumpluff can't be any village role except vigilante, a possibility which is vanishingly slim based on results alone and inconsistent with player behavior
I'll post more as soon as I can but it is critical we get this moving in the right direction, lynch jumpluff
The lynch today should be Jumpluff 100%, it's four hours until deadline so I'll say that for now from my phone, I'll be on in 90 minutes to explain but basically look at the order of claims realize Jumpluff is don and everything becomes incredibly obvious (though there's still a little ambiguity it'll get easily cleared up with PT/Wacher)
Wish I could post more from a phone but I'll post all my reasoning in 90, I needed to post this ASAP however due to impending deadline
Fuck it a few bullet points:
-aska is obviously omni, Flyhn is obviously PT, and kill failed. No one kills aska because he is an idler and was suspicious until recently so don was hooked and Jumpluff was hooked
- there's so many conundrums because Jumpluff shouted to the hooker who they are and to lie about the target, that's why there's so much that makes no sense
- Blazade is probably being framed by rssp1 but either way those two are an effective 50/50 for hooker( or Walrein could be I guess), check the order of claimed targets and results to see why Blazade being framed makes so much sense; Jumpluff fits as don with either but particularly rssp, who probably got psyched n0 and so knew to lie and thus why so many results don't make much sense
- Blazade or Walrein is psychiatrist unless rssp1 is clean and vig/psych in which case Blazade/Walrein is hooker. Blazade psych makes sense because pluff is bad but Walrein makes sense too. Either way pluff is bad no matter how this breaks down
- silencer is one of ditto/Walrein/Blazade/myself (from others' perspective), hard to tell as if now but we can use PT and watcher to figure out who is lying
- Jumpluff can't be any village role except vigilante, a possibility which is vanishingly slim based on results alone and inconsistent with player behavior
I'll post more as soon as I can but it is critical we get this moving in the right direction, lynch jumpluff
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Ok so then rssp1 and Jumpluff are in a 50/50 for vig (or just both bad) and Blazade is probably clean
That makes things even more obvious to lynch pluff, there's just no world they are village unless the mafia is specifically rssp/Walrein/ditto ( or me from others perspective) which IMO makes no sense especially because of order of claims and the fact no one else could be don and have no kill last night
That makes things even more obvious to lynch pluff, there's just no world they are village unless the mafia is specifically rssp/Walrein/ditto ( or me from others perspective) which IMO makes no sense especially because of order of claims and the fact no one else could be don and have no kill last night
Well shit, there's a lot to address and I didn't realize how close we were to deadline.
By this clock I should have a few hours. I need to prepare for and sit through a phone interview so I can't deal right now but I should absolutely be back before deadline. I do hope we can manage an extension because the activity has been good and the content has been thick.
By this clock I should have a few hours. I need to prepare for and sit through a phone interview so I can't deal right now but I should absolutely be back before deadline. I do hope we can manage an extension because the activity has been good and the content has been thick.
Rude
Me being psych would make sense as to why there's only one psyched claim. rssp pushing super hard for psyched NOT to claim when he himself was psyched is sketchy af and I think I'm fairly convinced he's trying to frame Blazade so unvote
Not gonna be around a ton to post today but I'll try to follow the thread/keep trying out scenarios in my sheet and see what I come up with
Interesting, guess the rssp1 claim changes things a bit (though not much wrt jumpluff, more aska):
Yeti is Watcher, Flyhn is PT. I think this is a safe assumption to go off of.
Either rssp is omniguard or askaninjask is. If rssp is not then he is mafia. If he is then Blazade or Walrein is mafia (I think it's safe to assume that even mafia!Blazade or mafia!Walrein don't lie about their N0 targets), with the other being psychiatrist.
If rssp is mafia then everything I said before about jumpluff still stands, jumpluff is still clearly Don. It's slightly preferable to lynch rssp over jumpluff but it's the same either way: town win.
If rssp is omniguard then things get more interesting. In this case one of Walrein or Blazade is hooker and the other is psychiatrist, but neither can be either mayor or vigilante. askaninjask could still be mayor or vig but he looks a lot worse obviously. I'm inclined to believe Blazade still in this scenario because I really don't think that idling is a town play, but it's definitely conceivable that Walrein is psychiatrist and Blazade is just hooker. The question then becomes, which two of Ditto/jumpluff/myself/askaninjask are bad
There are some subtle hints that Ditto is the silencer, such as his trying to figure out who was silenced Day 1 somewhat aggressively and his claiming to have targeted Yeti night 1. The latter point applies to me as well from others' perspective, but again I'm more than happy to sort that out tonight with the PT. Either way there isn't a ton of evidence as to who the silencer is but based on order of claims I'd argue that it would go Ditto>askaninjask>jumpluff (for being silencer), I won't comment on where others might consider me in that pecking order but I obviously know that I didn't lie about N0 and so cannot possibly be silencer.
The question then becomes who could possibly be don. If you think that rssp is omniguard and that Walrein is hooker then he could've in theory hooked any of us, but if it wasn't pluff then they are lying and thus mafia of some kind.
The point is that no matter whether you believe rssp1 or not, I can't see a world where jumpluff is vigilante. If jumpluff is vigilante then from my perspective (or Ditto's, or probably aska's) I am literally only the mayor. This would also necessitate Blazade being bad (jumpluff can't really be good unless Blazade is bad imo, and yet note that jumpluff isn't pushing Blazade as bad they are saying 'host error' and 'Sam that post was disgusting' when it was the first real analysis we've had yet today), Walrein as Psych, Ditto as Silencer, and askaninjask as Don. It would also necessitate askaninjask being retarded and targeting Blazade rather than the obvious-town Flyhn or Yeti with the kill, which I just don't think ever happens.
In short, there's just no way that the Don wasn't hooked last night, and jumpluff is the only person who could've been hooked last night. It's a slam dunk.
As for jumpluff's recent posts, those read pretty much like OMGUS resign honestly. Host error? Seriously?
To sum everything up, these are the possibilities (in order of how likely I see each):
Village:
PT: Flyhn
Watcher: Yeti
Omniguard: rssp1>askaninjask
Psychiatrist: Blazade>Walrein
Vigilante: UncleSam>Ditto>askaninjask>jumpluff
Mayor: UncleSam>Ditto>askaninjask
In terms of who is mafia:
Don: jumpluff>>>Walrein>askaninjask
Hooker: Walrein>Blazade>rssp1
Silencer: Ditto>askaninjask>jumpluff (UncleSam here from others' perspectives)
I list myself first for Mayor/Vig simply because I know I'm town and there's a lot of options for who could be each, I'm not claiming I think I'm both lol. rssp1 and aska I'm honestly not sure about but I think that rssp1 committing to omniguard is a slightly better sign of omniguard then simply the process-of-elimination from askaninjask. I'm also not claiming to be objectively more likely from anyone else's perspective, just from my own.
Tagging Flyhn Blazade Walrein Ditto rssp1 askaninjask to vote before deadline, assuming no extension (thirding or fourthing or whatever request for extension especially if jumpluff is traveling, which imo qualifies as a 'very good reason') but we still need to make sure we are ready and not scrambling at deadline in the worst case where we aren't given one.
If you're not reading tl;dr's then LYNCH JUMPLUFF ffs this is so obvious
Yeti is Watcher, Flyhn is PT. I think this is a safe assumption to go off of.
Either rssp is omniguard or askaninjask is. If rssp is not then he is mafia. If he is then Blazade or Walrein is mafia (I think it's safe to assume that even mafia!Blazade or mafia!Walrein don't lie about their N0 targets), with the other being psychiatrist.
If rssp is mafia then everything I said before about jumpluff still stands, jumpluff is still clearly Don. It's slightly preferable to lynch rssp over jumpluff but it's the same either way: town win.
If rssp is omniguard then things get more interesting. In this case one of Walrein or Blazade is hooker and the other is psychiatrist, but neither can be either mayor or vigilante. askaninjask could still be mayor or vig but he looks a lot worse obviously. I'm inclined to believe Blazade still in this scenario because I really don't think that idling is a town play, but it's definitely conceivable that Walrein is psychiatrist and Blazade is just hooker. The question then becomes, which two of Ditto/jumpluff/myself/askaninjask are bad
There are some subtle hints that Ditto is the silencer, such as his trying to figure out who was silenced Day 1 somewhat aggressively and his claiming to have targeted Yeti night 1. The latter point applies to me as well from others' perspective, but again I'm more than happy to sort that out tonight with the PT. Either way there isn't a ton of evidence as to who the silencer is but based on order of claims I'd argue that it would go Ditto>askaninjask>jumpluff (for being silencer), I won't comment on where others might consider me in that pecking order but I obviously know that I didn't lie about N0 and so cannot possibly be silencer.
The question then becomes who could possibly be don. If you think that rssp is omniguard and that Walrein is hooker then he could've in theory hooked any of us, but if it wasn't pluff then they are lying and thus mafia of some kind.
The point is that no matter whether you believe rssp1 or not, I can't see a world where jumpluff is vigilante. If jumpluff is vigilante then from my perspective (or Ditto's, or probably aska's) I am literally only the mayor. This would also necessitate Blazade being bad (jumpluff can't really be good unless Blazade is bad imo, and yet note that jumpluff isn't pushing Blazade as bad they are saying 'host error' and 'Sam that post was disgusting' when it was the first real analysis we've had yet today), Walrein as Psych, Ditto as Silencer, and askaninjask as Don. It would also necessitate askaninjask being retarded and targeting Blazade rather than the obvious-town Flyhn or Yeti with the kill, which I just don't think ever happens.
In short, there's just no way that the Don wasn't hooked last night, and jumpluff is the only person who could've been hooked last night. It's a slam dunk.
As for jumpluff's recent posts, those read pretty much like OMGUS resign honestly. Host error? Seriously?
To sum everything up, these are the possibilities (in order of how likely I see each):
Village:
PT: Flyhn
Watcher: Yeti
Omniguard: rssp1>askaninjask
Psychiatrist: Blazade>Walrein
Vigilante: UncleSam>Ditto>askaninjask>jumpluff
Mayor: UncleSam>Ditto>askaninjask
In terms of who is mafia:
Don: jumpluff>>>Walrein>askaninjask
Hooker: Walrein>Blazade>rssp1
Silencer: Ditto>askaninjask>jumpluff (UncleSam here from others' perspectives)
I list myself first for Mayor/Vig simply because I know I'm town and there's a lot of options for who could be each, I'm not claiming I think I'm both lol. rssp1 and aska I'm honestly not sure about but I think that rssp1 committing to omniguard is a slightly better sign of omniguard then simply the process-of-elimination from askaninjask. I'm also not claiming to be objectively more likely from anyone else's perspective, just from my own.
Tagging Flyhn Blazade Walrein Ditto rssp1 askaninjask to vote before deadline, assuming no extension (thirding or fourthing or whatever request for extension especially if jumpluff is traveling, which imo qualifies as a 'very good reason') but we still need to make sure we are ready and not scrambling at deadline in the worst case where we aren't given one.
If you're not reading tl;dr's then LYNCH JUMPLUFF ffs this is so obvious
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