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Amoonguss

Sajak said:
HP Fire is much more helpful in my experience. Most Dragons have access to a thing called Earthquake which will KO Amoongus basically 100% of the time. HP Fire allows it to hit ALL steel types barring Heatran for at least neutral damage while most of them can do almost nothing back.

And Spore only works on Ferrothorn if you can hit him with it. Most people probably know by now Amoongus is going to Spore on it's first turn, and they won't want their Ferrothorn as dead weight so they're going to be switching him out, and if they decide to have something else take the Spore and switch Ferro back in, you can still threaten it with HP Fire while it won't be doing anything to you.

Also, I always make sure I put some EVs into Amoongus' SpA. I believe I used 56 in my sets, and it 2HKOs physically based Ferrothorns and 3HKOs specially based ones every time.
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why eq???outrage is stronger on any single dragon....and almost no ourage user,except maybe band ononokusu,ohkos defensive amoongus at max hp so you can seriosuly dent them with hp ice!!but with hp fire you are just big setup fodder for any dragon basically that runs substitute or has taunt(garchomp and ononokusu)...
 
alexwolf said:
why eq???outrage is stronger on any single dragon....and almost no ourage user,except maybe band ononokusu,ohkos defensive amoongus at max hp so you can seriosuly dent them with hp ice!!but with hp fire you are just big setup fodder for any dragon basically that runs substitute or has taunt(garchomp and ononokusu)...
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I'd rather use a steel type to kill Dragons. They take less damage. Keep him with HP Fire I say. There are others more suited for Dragon Slaying. Besides, Sporing them and then switching to a Ice Beamer accomplishes the same thing as HP Ice.
 
Bombkirby said:
I'd rather use a steel type to kill Dragons. They take less damage. Keep him with HP Fire I say. There are others more suited for Dragon Slaying. Besides, Sporing them and then switching to a Ice Beamer accomplishes the same thing as HP Ice.
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yes but it could give them a free turn dding or setting up a sub,while you switch,which is much more dangerous than letting nattorei setup 1 more layer of spikes(unless u play against stall).
 
I've been running the following set with an incredible amount of success. The EVs are completely arbitrary. I don't have much reasoning for why I made them that way and I'm sure there is much more useful spread, but this is what's been working for me:

Amoonguss @Leftovers
Ability: Regeneration
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 72 Sp. Def
Attacks:
~ Spore
~ Giga Drain
~ Clear Smog
~ Hidden Power Fire

I previously ran HP Ice (which was really nice to have when facing the likes of Gliscor, Garchomp and Landorus), however, my team has enough ways to deal with dragons and the two Ground/Flying types and HP Fire is more suitable for me, allowing me to hit Scizor and Lucario for at least something without it they could set up on him if he's already Spored something and Clear Smog doesn't effect them. Speaking of which, Clear Smog has saved me so many times from stat ups - specifically Conkeldurr. This guy stops him and Breloom cold.
I originally thought his bulk would be underwhelming but with Regeneration, Spore, and Giga Drain, I usually find him hanging around most of the battle. His poison typing lets him absorb Tspikes as well which is always helpful.
 
AeroCrazed92 said:
I've been running the following set with an incredible amount of success. The EVs are completely arbitrary. I don't have much reasoning for why I made them that way and I'm sure there is much more useful spread, but this is what's been working for me:

Amoonguss @Leftovers
Ability: Regeneration
Nature: Bold
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 72 Sp. Def
Attacks:
~ Spore
~ Giga Drain
~ Clear Smog
~ Hidden Power Fire

I previously ran HP Ice (which was really nice to have when facing the likes of Gliscor, Garchomp and Landorus), however, my team has enough ways to deal with dragons and the two Ground/Flying types and HP Fire is more suitable for me, allowing me to hit Scizor and Lucario for at least something without it they could set up on him if he's already Spored something and Clear Smog doesn't effect them. Speaking of which, Clear Smog has saved me so many times from stat ups - specifically Conkeldurr. This guy stops him and Breloom cold.
I originally thought his bulk would be underwhelming but with Regeneration, Spore, and Giga Drain, I usually find him hanging around most of the battle. His poison typing lets him absorb Tspikes as well which is always helpful.
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Oh yeah he'd do great against Conkeldurr! Resists, resets stats. Maybe I shall add Clear Smog to his arsenal.
 
true and also it is very funny how amonguss stops cold every breloom variant after sleep clause is activated.amonguss 4x resists bullet seed and 2x resists mach punch[or focus punch]and easily 2hkoes breloom with clear smog while in the same time reseting his attack boosts!!!so awesome!!!
 
I can never decide what to give my amoonguss. His main movepool is:

Clear Smog
Gastro Acid
Giga Drain
HP Fire
Spore
Stun Spore
Substitute
Synthesis
Toxic

IMO. I usually run giga drain/hp fire/spore/synthesis, as having a recovery move makes him much more difficult to kill, but clear smog is pretty useful....

Have any of you run something completely different? Say, a double statuser with sub/spore/stun spore/clear smog?
 
JT Swift said:
I can never decide what to give my amoonguss. His main movepool is:

Clear Smog
Gastro Acid
Giga Drain
HP Fire
Spore
Stun Spore
Substitute
Synthesis
Toxic

IMO. I usually run giga drain/hp fire/spore/synthesis, as having a recovery move makes him much more difficult to kill, but clear smog is pretty useful....

Have any of you run something completely different? Say, a double statuser with sub/spore/stun spore/clear smog?
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Thats just the hardest part....choosing his moves. They're all such good choices. Once he gets his DW ability I'd drop Synthesis for anything else.
 
This is an epic set for this guy. I fucking killed a dialga with this set, no fucking lie.
Modest
252 HP, 252 SP attack, 4 SP defense
-Spore
-Substitute
-HP fire
-giga drain
Regeneration
Black sludge

with black slude, poisen typing has a reason to be there. Plus, the opponet will get a useless item when tricking this guy. Put the counter to sleep, set up sub, and giga drain away. Might change to HP ice.

This guy will never suck, his sprite is more epic then Garchomp's, he's just an underrated threat, whic h elps him out even more. Fuck Amoongus haters to hell.
 
^ the dialga user must be a total NOOB

Well i think his 114/80/70 defense is really great. I mean, Doy has110 65 65 and bulkier than machamp. This shroom stats and solid offense for defensive poke make me want to use its DW version
(dang GF why wont you give it movepool ? you gen 5 and your no movepool issue)
 
Seriously nothing stops onslaughts while providing a pivot like this guy does.

Clear Smog / Spore / Sub / HP Fire

Yes there's no grass attack but I don't use him for that anyway. He stops Conkeldurr, Serperior, and other Stat uppers cold with clear smog, Spores switch-ins, HP Fires if Scizor and friends try to ruin the party, and Sub eases prediction (Oh no they bulked up once more).

Note that this is totally contingent on me using the DW ability to make Sub worthwhile. Otherwise swap in Giga-Drain.

Honestly do NOT knock this guy until you actually try him. He is relatively easy to switch in, take a hit, do what is needed, and leave. Good pivot, as is Slowbro now thanks to Regeneration.
 
This dude is killer on the Subway. Set up TR and then just have him spam Spore all day, no sleep clause is major win in my books :)
 
Damn, I didn't believe it until I actually tried this guy out on PO. This guy is bulkier than he looks. Regeneration + Giga Drain is a great way to keep his health up. Clear Smog prevents things from setting up, and I don't think I have to say anything about Spore =)
 
Bombkirby said:
Omg people! His defenses are FINE! You may have glaced at it and said "Oh no 80 defense sux!" But how about u look at his HP as well? See? He has nice and well rounded defenses.

I personally like that Clear Smog move. Tanks and walls are relatively easy to set up on so you could easily ruin some one's little Sword Dance spree.

My ideal moveset

-Giga Drain
-Spore
-Clear Smog
-Growth/Synthesis/Payback/Hidden Power
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i dig this set his movepool maybe somewhat lacking but if ya put 2 seconds thought into it Amoonguss can quickly become a headache

what about a set like

Calm @Leftovers/Big Root
Effect Spore
-Giga Drain
-Growth
-Ingrain
-Substitute

this would more so be for lower tiers and double battles BEFORE anyone freaks out i dare not use Spore w/ effect spore there ya pretty much got that aspect covered w/ the ingrain sub combo u can set up for a growth juiced up Giga Drain havent tried this set yet and im fully aware its a risky set but in lower tiers and not against something like Heatran you could seriously piss your opponent off with this one

also if you did chose to run Regenerator over Effect Spore id swap out Ingrain for Clear Smog and shit on the opponents set up on the switch in

and unless im mistaken big root is quite effective as an item Leftovers is technically better of course but since ur counting on Giga Drain as the main offensive attack in theory (i just thought all this up so take that into account b4 i get a bunch of snobby rebuttal bitching lol) with it being all juiced up by Growth you should recover more in bigger less consistent doses but ya got ingrain there as well to take up some of the slack
 
Effect Spore's chance of a random status is pretty thoroughly outclassed by a solid sleep move. The problem with Ingrain is basically that, despite pretty great recovery, it's likely that the opponent will have something that can hit you hard and be able to mess with you before you're boosted enough. Even with Spore, they just sacrifice something to sleep, then proceed to mess you up.

Growth/Sub/Spore with Regenerate isn't a bad start, though. Then your attack is the real question, since there's the chance a Sap Sipper will force you out (the other problem with your initial set). HP Ice, Payback, or even Rollout would all be options, hilariously enough, despite lacking STAB/recovery (a decent special attack type, a powerful hit to any Psychics coming in to nail you, and a Rock move to destroy Fire types and just about everything eventually).

And Black Sludge/Lefties for the item, depending on your preference.
 
Unfortunately, that set is a really bad idea. Anything that doesn't fear Giga Drain is likely going to come in and KO you since you can't switch out after using Ingrain. If they have a boosting move and you lack Clear Smog, they're just going to get themselves up to +6 and proceed to rip the rest of your team to shreds. Even if you have Clear Smog, it's just not a good idea to trap yourself with Ingrain unless you're doing some crazy Baton Pass chain and want to prevent the recipient from being Roared out.
 
Daenym said:
Effect Spore's chance of a random status is pretty thoroughly outclassed by a solid sleep move. The problem with Ingrain is basically that, despite pretty great recovery, it's likely that the opponent will have something that can hit you hard and be able to mess with you before you're boosted enough. Even with Spore, they just sacrifice something to sleep, then proceed to mess you up.

Growth/Sub/Spore with Regenerate isn't a bad start, though. Then your attack is the real question, since there's the chance a Sap Sipper will force you out (the other problem with your initial set). HP Ice, Payback, or even Rollout would all be options, hilariously enough, despite lacking STAB/recovery (a decent special attack type, a powerful hit to any Psychics coming in to nail you, and a Rock move to destroy Fire types and just about everything eventually).

And Black Sludge/Lefties for the item, depending on your preference.
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im picking up what your puttin down but Sap Sipper isnt common enough to be a major threat imo granted if Bouffalant or somethin pops in then lol yeah ur screwed. when i put the set together i was picturing more of a roadblock than a true offensive set. i know there's plenty of more diverse stalls and what not but i think you could have fun w/ this set in lower tiers the "gimmicky" nature of it though probably is too risky for the uppers.
 
yeah. but ubers are much worse as most of them learn fire blast or ice beam. that said a good move set could look like this.

calm @black sludge
ability: regenrator
move 1:spore/ stun spore
move 2: substitute
move 3: giga drain
move 4: clearsmog/stun spore
EV spread:252 hp/ 124 def/ 128 spD

this set is to target the upper tier pokemon. i put spore in the first slot so you can put pokemon to sleep while you set up with substitute allowing you to really stall youre oppnenent out with stun spore once the wake up. ironically, giga drain is in the set, but is a problem when facing off against shandera. you could have clear smog to help battle shandera, but it wont do to much good if the opponenent decides to swith in a poinson type like scolipede. if you dont want clear smog, stun spore is good as it makes sure the opponenet's speed is reduced to -6 and fully paralyses the opponent 25% of the time as im led to believe. another substitute for stun spore is toxic, as the damage gets worse and worse every turn.

if the pokemon uses trick/ switcheroo, you will be gving the opponenent an item that damages them severely, but is very risky as most of the peole i know who play pokemon have scolipede and rueniculus on there double battle team, so the item could work to the opponenents advantage in such a case.

choosing effect spore over regenrator is ok, but you have to scrap toxic/stun spore as the ability may do the work for you. choosing regenerator over effect spore (as i would), means you have to keep spore, but stun spore is ultimately youre choice.

the set is mostly stall, but it is posible to have a mixed set of wall and offence.
 
OMG this thing is bulky as hell. It takes a minimum of 30% from a Max Sp. Attack Rotom-C using HP Ice/Fire. That's still pretty damn bulky. I was owned by a Spore/Giga Drain/Clear Smog/Filler moveset, and assuming how well it was absorbing every hit, Max HP/Max Sp. Def.
 
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