Anonymous vs Scientology

http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

Has anyone seen this? I'm suprised nothing's been done about these people as of yet, especially since Lisa's death occured back in 95.

Then again it cant really be proved that the cult is at fault, I dont think, but who knows?

I say go for broke Anon, cant really stand these people regardless.
 
vespa said:
i find it pretty hilarious that the "documented proof" is on a link to their own website...

i also find it funny that scientology's most used threat is copyright infringement. ....its as if they don't want us to know about their religion!!...

as for the topic i don't agree with DDoSing a website even if i find its message to be wrong. its freedom of speech and people have every right to be as stupid as they like. i do, however, think that this is another good example of why stupid should be painful.

on a side note those letters they send out to various employers are horrifically vicious with their unfounded claims and should be met with some kind of retaliatory strike to discredit the cult of scientology.
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If only their other links worked I would certainly believe them. All i can do is just assume they were deleted and hope other proof arises.

As I said, these are very harsh claims, so you must naturally take them with a grain of salt.
 
WER said:
Because they are a legitimate religion. They may be peopled by douchebags, yes, but that's not an excuse to attack them.
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Just because it is "legitimate" doesn't mean it's "right".

I don't quite understand how people actually believe this bullshit some science fiction writer made up less than 50 years ago.
 
WER said:
Because they are a legitimate religion. They may be peopled by douchebags, yes, but that's not an excuse to attack them.
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No, it is not. Countries are making moves to make it illegal and iirc, Belgium has already started.

kholdstaire, I understand your confusion. Surely the very fact he was a science fiction writer is enough to cast doubt?
 
The Requiem said:
http://www.whyaretheydead.net/

Has anyone seen this? I'm suprised nothing's been done about these people as of yet, especially since Lisa's death occured back in 95.

Then again it cant really be proved that the cult is at fault, I dont think, but who knows?

I say go for broke Anon, cant really stand these people regardless.
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to be fair, thats a pretty small list compared to all the deaths most of the other religions have inflicted.
 
kholdstaire said:
I don't quite understand how people actually believe this bullshit some science fiction writer made up less than 50 years ago.
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Add to this the fact that this cult was started just to make money and I find that what they do justifies some kind of retaliation. If it's just a bunch of fools from the internet, fair enough. I don't care what level of punishment scientology takes; it's sick and screwed up enough to deserve it.

(http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/scientology/start.a.religion.html) <-- Cult = money source.
 
Well theres plenty of reason to be against the church of scientology as others have mentioned. Their abuse of copyright laws is just ridiculous, I'd like to see another religion be able to abuse the law (on second thoughts actually, I would hate to see it...). I am very glad that someone is actually doing something about it, for too long it has just been brushed off by people as a zany group you can just ignore.

The DDoS attacks don't particuarly bother me, scientology has been asking for an internet rebuttal ever since they released a programme for all scientologists which basically filters everything that has a criticism of scientology or even containing the beliefs of the scientologists. However, its going beyond childish internet atacks.

The thing is this situation has snowballed and now real life peaceful protests have been arranged. Not just members of the chans are going to be attending these protests around the world. I know i'll certainly be routing for the internet, as someone said earlier in the thread, it would be a huge victory for everyone not just "anonymous" if the CoS loses its tax exemption status.

Not to mention that perhaps it would make the general population more aware of what scientologists are.
 
DDoS, etc etc etc are all Scientology-like attacks and should be condemned. But nonviolent protest and distributing information/leaflets on the subject are all very viable methods of combating the threat of Scientology.

Keep in mind that Anonymous isn't combating the religion/belief itself; belief is belief is belief and isn't something you can really "wage war" on. But the group, their methods, their practices, and social enslavement of the practitioners of the religion? The fact that you cannot join the religion without a sizable amount of money down? The fact that people have been killed by participants, either directly on or indirectly? The fact that there have been countless coverups and even IRS breakins on the behalf of the Scientologist PR machine? The fact that the religion sues, strongarms, and maintains a "zero tolerance" policy towards any and all detractors?

Finally, the system of beliefs is available for free from a small sect known as Free Zone which has a notorious struggle with the main "PAY TO PLAY" Scientology group.

I fully support Anon and may protest on Feb 10th.
 
Atlas said:
to be fair, thats a pretty small list compared to all the deaths most of the other religions have inflicted.
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Point taken. Scientology hasnt quite hit the level of the crusades yet..

I wonder if people would react to other "religions" as they do towards Scientology if someone like Stephen King invented the idea of God...
 
I started with this thinking it was funny, that maybe they'd wipe each other out, and didn't expect it to get anywhere.

I am amazed. I am fully in support of Anon in this campaign and I'm in awe at the movement it's snowballed into. I was following the whole thing quite closely this weekend. For those who haven't, I highly highly recommend watching this entire video:
http://www.dailymotion.com/SA-Anonymous/video/7313668

It's a perfect summary of what's gone on. The internet, has done something. It's pretty damn amazing that the internet has mobilized, without any real leaders, and invaded the real world to try and take down a corrupt organization.

This is Web 2.0.
 
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This is not the most stunningly trenchant analysis of it, but I found it pretty funny and relevant.
 
Watched the video since I have only half been keeping up.


I enjoyed that speech at like 7 minutes in. It's very clever that they used the phrase "cyber terrorism", since it is both true and hits the terrorism PR buzz word that's been so hot since 9/11. I think they took it a bit too far with the "SURELY anonymous is anti free speech due to attacking us" thing though, anyone with any knowledge of them at all knows thats pretty incongruent with their actions which isn't going to make them too believable.



I still think the "cyber terrorism" aspects of what they did is pretty immature but the non-violent shit(as ineffective as it tends to be) has been really impressive. I knew there were a lot more of them than people were likely to give them credit for but the amount of them that have protested is pretty cool. They've come a long way in a couple weeks, in a lot of ways.
 
Yeah, ever since Bunker's video response they went into some kind of serious mode. They've definitely succeeded at the creating awareness part. Before this shitstorm, I thought Scientology was just a funny little religion for weirdos. I didn't realize it had been around for decades and the kind of creepy shit they do (Operation Freakout in particular). I read an article written a few days ago by the lady who they did Operation Freakout on and it's really just revolting.

Reports show that about 8000, maybe even 9000+ (yeah yeah) people showed up for the protests. There were little memes here and there, but for the most part they were focused. Rick Astley's song sort of became an official theme and I saw one video where they sang the Fresh Prince song and said "GIVE US BACK FRESH PRINCE" and "FREE WILL SMITH" =P The speeches by ex-Scientology members was moving though.
 
The music destroys this video. It really makes it damn near unwatchable.

I do not see what the big deal is with the Lisa dying in terms of scientology itself - a FEW fucked up people murdered her, and yes it is awful, but that does not have anything to do with the large amount of scientologists.

I forgot about all this, or I would have gone and protested on the 10th :( it is like a ten minute walk, and mine was in the video!
 
It was their central branch actually. She got into a car accident. She was in a hospital. The Scientologists came and took her to their hotel. She went without water or anything for a couple of days. They took her to a hospital really far away (past several hospitals) since they had a Scientologist working there. She was pronounced dead on arrival. Scientologists sued the man who did the autopsy saying he was defaming Scientology.

By the time she died, she'd donated everything but around $100 to the Church. The protests aren't against followers of Scientology, it's about the way Scientology is set up and its shady tactics.
 
There was a protest of scientology in Edmonton, Alberta. I live in Edmonton. I missed it, I was sad cause I found out after. I woulda shown up to bolster numbers and learn more.

On a more mature Anti-Scientology note, apparently Germany has also declared war on Scientology. Infact, word has it that they banned Scientology AND Mormonism as "cults". I'd surely agree to the first, but lumping Mormonism in there is a bit extreme. Can anyone actually confirm this with a reliable site that doesn't have YTMND in its address?

So apparently Canada and America aren't the only countries fed up with this 'alternative religion' or whatever it's categorized under. Perhaps others in the EU will pick up on Germany's thinking. Just as a side note, they also recently axed smoking indoors...what happened last time Germany started banning things on mass? At least this banning actually has some merit to it, as they aren't the only ones singling out this religion and expressing distaste for it.

Just my opinion: Any religion that sues someone for doubting them or even questioning things like a mode of death VIA AN AUTOPSY really needs to have some regulations at the very least, rather than tax exemption. At least be able to defend your beliefs with tactics that don't include mute orders, alledged murder and lawsuits. In other words, they should use their words like adults to defend their beleifs.
 
I really support all that went on. I really wish I had known, I would have gone down to Boston. Damn.

I remember when the YTMND site about scientology first was made. I brought it up to my dad, and now he's been keeping up to date with Anonymous and the fight against scientology. That's pretty cool.
 
At first, I thought that Scientology was somewhat like Mormanism, just a little strange, but more of a "keep to myself" religion. So when I heard that Scientology was being attacked, I kinda sided with Tommy. The Tom Cruise Scientology video is hard not to see if you spend any time on Youtube, and I clicked on some links, and found this. I'm a little creeped out. I don't know how much of that is true, but if it is, this "religion" is all very twisted, being hard to attack through a legal shield of "religious freedom", and a beefy legal team. And then there's that thing about Scientology allowing themselves to kill anyone who disagrees with their beliefs. They're also very secretive, and just plain deny anything a former member tells the public, making it hard to know who to trust. Then Anonymous comes in with their automated voice, their computer skills...

It's honestly all very L vs. Kir- *shot*

I do think that the computer voice is pretty cool, though. :P And the masks. Taking down websites isn't great, but it might be one of the few faster ways to get the police involved, etc., or really be "heard". Apparently, there's a fight against Scientology going on for a while, but nothing has happened. This might actually do something.
I'm glad that all of this is happening.

Atlas said:
to be fair, thats a pretty small list compared to all the deaths most of the other religions have inflicted.
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I see what you mean, but there's basically a war against terrorist Islamics, I doubt Christianity has made too many big stinks in recent times, yet Scientology seems to go unpunished.
 
the DDoSing stopped a long time ago. After Mark Bunker's video, they basically stopped all the illegal activities.

Mark Bunker (Wise Beard Man) Reply to February 10th: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yr-EaH7IX6E
YouTube and Digg being shitty: http://ipower.movielol.org/youtube-anon.php

And kamikaen, if you think that message was L-ish, watch the Japanese video of the same thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aKwPRYRmk8

The 14 minute montage is updated: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4cr9g_the-road-to-february-10-2008_politics
 
CaptKirby said:
The music destroys this video. It really makes it damn near unwatchable.

I do not see what the big deal is with the Lisa dying in terms of scientology itself - a FEW fucked up people murdered her, and yes it is awful, but that does not have anything to do with the large amount of scientologists.

I forgot about all this, or I would have gone and protested on the 10th :( it is like a ten minute walk, and mine was in the video!
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I'm pretty sure Anon makes it clear that they hate those few fucked up people. At very least, Operation Clambake (another anti-Scientology group who's doing this the right way IMO) specifically states that they don't like the "Church of Scientology", that is, the organization. They believe in freedom of religion and beliefs, but they feel the Church is the one to blame.
 
Firestorm, thank you so much for posting this topic. I've been anti-Scientologist for a long time now (before the South Park fiasco that popularized it) and these peaceful protests were going by unbeknownst to me because I've been avoiding most of the internet due to fear of Brawl spoilers (don't laugh at me guys). I'm definitely attending the one in Toronto on L. Ron Hubbard's birthday, and I'm really hoping that something will come of this (Ie. the proposed removal of Scientology's tax exemption/the banning of it altogether like is rumoured in Germany).
 
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