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Articuno
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So... Would this work?
Articuno @ Leftovers (DW: Snow Cloak)
252 Hp, 200 Def, 52 Sp. Def
Sky Drop
Protect
Toxic
Roost
After the turn of Sky Drop, Snow Cloak gives a chance to rinse and repeat without taking damage.
Articuno @ Leftovers (DW: Snow Cloak)
252 Hp, 200 Def, 52 Sp. Def
Sky Drop
Protect
Toxic
Roost
After the turn of Sky Drop, Snow Cloak gives a chance to rinse and repeat without taking damage.
It's sad that a Pokemon with such great defensive potential has to be weak to Stealth Rock... Articuno can be a beast with no SR.
Not really, it gets dominated by Tyranitar, Rotom-W, Scizor, Ferrothorn, Heatran, Jirachi... wait a minute, I just named half of the top 10 OUs. No, Articuno is a garbage pokemon and should rot in NU where it belongs.
Articuno can SubRoost, sure, but I feel that Zapdos or even Moltres do it better. Zapdos has speed and a lesser SR weak, but on a mono-attacking set I feel like Moltres shines. Its fire STAB lets it hit the steels that are immune to Toxic so it can run Sub/Roost/Toxic/Flamethrower and be just fine.
Sky Drop won't work because when an opponent sees Articuno, they'll switch in Heatran, Tyranitar, etc, which is what you'll scoop up. Once you drop them, they'll just attack you with their SE attack of choice and there's nothing you can do about it.
Its sad that people like you are around....
Anyways Articuno is one of my favorites, and the Toxic/Hail/Skydrop Stall looks interesting. I always have horrible luck though, and my times trying hail went horribly so I haven't actually tried that strategy to see how it works. I do know that Articuno can PP stall people to death though, and cause a decent dent in anything that doesn't resist Ice. Articuno does have some unfortunate weaknesses though.... While I used it I found that key threat killers made life so much easier. Duggy/Magneton make great partners, trapping some of the threats that otherwise give Articuno problems.
Really just waiting till gamefreak changes the type chart around, Ice/Rock got screwed over so badly, particularly with the style of pokemon Gamefreak likes to make those types (Defensive). (I mean seriously why does Ice only resist Ice? Heck if it resisted what it hits SE it would be fantastic)
That's the point, Ice was made to be the glass cannon type. It's a shame it's usually given t defensive or pure-type offensive pokémon, but eh. One day.
for example if glaceon had espeon's stats and vice-versa both would be so much better, and then there's lol Cryogonal. the closest we got to a good offensive FAST (looking at you average speed kyurem) ice type, Then it gets no coverage. really what were you thinking gamefreak
Ice is a tricky type to pair up.
Ice/Ground is one of the best offensive typings in the game.
Ice/Water is decent.
Ice/Dragon is good offensively, but only works if given a powerful Fire-type coverage move(Oh hai Kyurem...)
FInally, what I think to be the best offensive typing in the game...
Ice/Fighting... MAKE this! Make it good, too.
80/120/80/70/80/105
Instant OU.
Ice/Ground is one of the best offensive typings in the game.
Ice/Water is decent.
Ice/Dragon is good offensively, but only works if given a powerful Fire-type coverage move(Oh hai Kyurem...)
FInally, what I think to be the best offensive typing in the game...
Ice/Fighting... MAKE this! Make it good, too.
80/120/80/70/80/105
Instant OU.
Give it 80/180/180 defences and some offensive presence. It would de-throne like every wall in existence.
Anyways... Back on topic
Articuno @ Leftovers
248 HP / 252 Def. / 8 SpDef.
Substitute
Toxic
Protect
Roost
Keep in mind that I just half-assed this set in like 20 seconds. Now that I think about it, the stallish nature of this set would benefit more from Pressure.
Since when has the articuno thread become a "I want a Pokemon with this typing and Stats"
I want a Ghost and Dark with Wonderguard, and Healbell. With base 180 stats in all.
Lets actually talk about Articuno, where he shines the best in RU. Where hail is dominant and Blastoise is the best spinner.
I want a Ghost and Dark with Wonderguard, and Healbell. With base 180 stats in all.
Lets actually talk about Articuno, where he shines the best in RU. Where hail is dominant and Blastoise is the best spinner.
Wow guys.... how about articuno talk more? Because that sounds pretty dandy to me!!!
It's sad to see Articuno so bad, I've always liked it as a pokemon but its typing is just too poor to be effective. When it comes to Toxic stalling Moltres does better due to its Fire typing, and offensively Zapdos is better because of it's Electric typing. The best I think 'Cuno could pull off would be a Specs set to blast through cores, maybe running Snover on a team so it can fire off STAB Blizzards? I haven't touched RU in quite some time so this is probably going to be far off.
It's sad to see Articuno so bad, I've always liked it as a pokemon but its typing is just too poor to be effective. When it comes to Toxic stalling Moltres does better due to its Fire typing, and offensively Zapdos is better because of it's Electric typing. The best I think 'Cuno could pull off would be a Specs set to blast through cores, maybe running Snover on a team so it can fire off STAB Blizzards? I haven't touched RU in quite some time so this is probably going to be far off.
I've never considered a Specs set. I kind of want to try it now...
As for SubRoost, for the most part it's outclassed by the other two in its trio.
However, it has one big advantage over both of them: her mammoth Special Defense stat. With max Special bulk, she can take some insane punishment. She's so specially bulky, Specsmega can't even 2HKO her with Bug Buzz, while SubRoost Moltres is easily 2HKOed by Air Slash. She can be a force in the lower tiers, where there are less Ghosts around to block Rapid Spin.
Are you kidding?
If you can't outspeed and 2HKO then you have to just keep switching, and even still eventually Sheer Cold is going to hit something. Mind Reader + Sheer Cold is horrid and banned for good reason.
I think you guys might find my RMT intresting, especially regarding its DW ability:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3453724
I love Articuno, and even though the chances of SR getting banned here is very slim, I'm hoping that in the next gen Troll Freak would nerf it, and allow Rapid Spin as a TM. Also, expand its bloody move pool as well.
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3453724
I love Articuno, and even though the chances of SR getting banned here is very slim, I'm hoping that in the next gen Troll Freak would nerf it, and allow Rapid Spin as a TM. Also, expand its bloody move pool as well.
Without snow cloak hax, moltres does this moveset better than articuno on a hail team, resisting fire, fighting, and steel (not really, just bullet punch). Moltres also has naturally higher SpA, so he can't be turned into setup fodder as easily. No 100% accurate blizzard though.
I feel as though articuno desperately needs defensive tools in order to be worthwhile. As a wall, he doesn't exactly do anything outside of roost and toxic. The bad typing would be so bad if he was able to set up on threats, effectively phaze, had a good defensive ability, etc.
He can phaze with Roar. Once spinners get rid of SR, Articuno can come in and pressure stall with roar and roost
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