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TheBurgerKing99 said:
So, when this becomes OM of the month, what do you think the pokemon ladder noobs will spam? (Think espeon in STABmons)

Edit: Not saying that STABmons espeon is bad, or anyone that used it was a noob, just that it was really overused.
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Furfrou will be spammed a lot I think. Blaziken as well, and there'll probably be plenty of people using teams of sunkern/luvdisc/delibird/etc. Linoone I can see being used a lot as well. Mega Gar and Mega Kang will be spammed a fair bit too I think if they don't get banned. Prankster things, like Whimsicott, Klefki, and Sableye (pls ban). I'm guessing a lot of the sets that are in this thread will be spammed lol

EDIT: another question: What sort of team do you think would be the best for laddering? I think a team consisting of various dangerous threats that can tear a team apart if the opponent has no answer for them, i.e Belly Drum Linoone, SubSeed Breloom, Talonflame etc. alongside some utility counters like Dugtrio, Amoonguss, and Clefable.
 
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mrglass said:
Solar Power is going to be extremely dangerous in this game. Nasty Plot Ninetales combined with Scarf Solar Power Charizard, who now has the bulk to sustain hits and isn't utterly outclassed in speed, will be incredibly dangerous. Tropius, Sunflora, and Heliolisk will also be incredibly dangerous with their recovery attacks, though they will lack the boost from sun.
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Charmeleon would be better though, being only 2x weak to SR instead of 4x while getting almost everything else Zard gets
 
Gerard said:
Charmeleon would be better though, being only 2x weak to SR instead of 4x while getting almost everything else Zard gets
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I'd say Fire/Flying is a better typing than pure Fire though, especially with the increased bulk. Fire/Flying manages 6 resistances and an immunity, while Fire has just 6 resistances. They have the same number of weaknesses, but I'd say not being EQ weak is a bigger deal.
 
mrglass said:
I'd say Fire/Flying is a better typing than pure Fire though, especially with the increased bulk. Fire/Flying manages 6 resistances and an immunity, while Fire has just 6 resistances. They have the same number of weaknesses, but I'd say not being EQ weak is a bigger deal.
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You're forgetting about the move every single team will use: Stealth Rock, let's not forget Solar Power is the main topic. What I don't like about these Solar Power Pokemon is that they aren't that hard to wall despite the Spa increase and are far too suicidal.
 
Adrian Marin said:
You're forgetting about the move every single team will use: Stealth Rock, let's not forget Solar Power is the main topic. What I don't like about these Solar Power Pokemon is that they aren't that hard to wall despite the Spa increase and are far too suicidal.
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SP+STAB+Sun is harder to wall than you might think.
 
The issue with Solar Power is, of course, the HP loss. Combined with the Stealth Rock weakness, Charizard isn't going to last long at all.
 
Honestly I think Solar power wise, Chameleon > Charizard due of ROCKS GREATEST HITS, but neither will last too long eitherway.
Heliolisk is fine too due of its big move pool but it has its own but buts too..

I'd probably go with Tropius if I were to use Solar Power
Air Slash, Giga Drain, HP fire, EQ or Other Filler.

But then again Tropius could just go chrololol with growth for a better offense set.
 
CactusCacti said:
Honestly I think Solar power wise, Chameleon > Charizard due of ROCKS GREATEST HITS, but neither will last too long eitherway.
Heliolisk is fine too due of its big move pool but it has its own but buts too..

I'd probably go with Tropius if I were to use Solar Power
Air Slash, Giga Drain, HP fire, EQ or Other Filler.

But then again Tropius could just go chrololol with growth for a better offense set.
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Tropius and Heliolisk are great, but their problem is that they don't get the sun boost on their STAB moves. If you throw Specs on Zard or Charmeleon, and run Sun and Sticky Web, you can destroy everything. Even with Scarf instead of Specs+Web, you can do serious damage. Tropius and Heliolisk sacrifice power for longetivityl
 
Groudon has some potential as a Drought bringer as well, sure he doesn't get the fire stab, but what he has over ninetales is a superior movepool, and the ability to run physical sets due to its access to Swords Dance, in additional Ninetales only gets Flame Charge to boost it's speed, whereas Groudon gets Rock Polish.
 
SpartanMalice said:
Groudon Drought
Snip physical snip
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Groudon w/leftovers/heatrock
Timid 252spatk/252spe
Eruption
Earthpower
Tbolt
Rock polish/dragonpulse/solarbeam
Thanks to trollfreak, groudon has great special movepool which really shines here. Eruption+Tbolt+Earthpower is non-negotiable and the last move is your choice really.
The best thing about groudon is that it shits on heatran who is public enemy#1 for sun teams. 0 reason to use ninetales right?
 
Yeah I ran a specs set on it too. That's why I said superior movepool in general. Though, Ninetales does have a niche: Nasty Plot. Of course it gets an inferior movepool, but it gets Fire Stab in the sun and some alright moves to abuse NP with. That's why I didn't mention a special boosting set, because Groudon can't learn NP afaik and it largely outclasses Ninetales in the physical department. However it can run a better specs set, and Eruption is best only on scarf sets imo, otherwise Overheat is better.
 
I was using a Specs Groudon as well on my sun team, and I actually liked it a lot, even though it wasn't a Heat Rock. I was considering using Tales, but the SR damage wasn't worth it imo. But I also just liked how I didn't have to set up. One of the few pokes on my team that didn't (Growth Numel/Trevenant, Coil Arbok, etc.). Although, even without NP, Fire Blast Tales beats Eruption Groudon due to STAB, but a lack of accuracy hinders it. Wonder if a SpecsTales set would work... Not too bad an idea.
 
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AWailOfATail said:
I was using a Specs Groudon as well on my sun team, and I actually liked it a lot, even though it wasn't a Heat Rock. I was considering using Tales, but the SR damage wasn't worth it imo. But I also just liked how I didn't have to set up. One of the few pokes on my team that didn't (Growth Numel/Trevenant, Coil Arbok, etc.). Although, even without NP, Fire Blast Tales beats Eruption Groudon due to STAB, but a lack of accuracy hinders it. Wonder if a SpecsTales set would work... Not too bad an idea.
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Few problems with that. Ninetales can at best run, Fire Blast, Solarbeam, Dark Pulse and Psyshock. And that's it. Maybe Energy Ball instead of Solarbeam, but that's just even weaker than Groudon. All it has going for it is NP and fire stab, so NP or WoW set is the best way to go for it. And even then, Ground is a better defensive typing than pure fire. One more problem with Specs Tales, constant switching, SR weakness comes in to play again.
 
Yeah, Ninetales is probably a weaker sun inducer than Groudon, thanks to Groudon's better typing, better synergy with sun abusers, and wider movepool. However, you can always run both :p
 
perplexingpool said:
Yeah, Ninetales is probably a weaker sun inducer than Groudon, thanks to Groudon's better typing, better synergy with sun abusers, and wider movepool. However, you can always run both :p
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And MegaZard Y. Triple sun for triple fun. I might actually run that now...:p
 
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Let's not forget Prankster Sunny Day mons, if that exists.

And hell, Vulpix isn't any different from ninetales outside of Nasty Plot. So if you're gonna run Specs, you can run it on pix as well.
 
SpartanMalice said:
Let's not forget Prankster Sunny Day mons, if that exists.

And hell, Vulpix isn't any different from ninetales outside of Nasty Plot. So if you're gonna run Specs, you can run it on pix as well.
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It exists. Klefki. Mega-Bannette. Whimsicott. Murkrow. Sableye (until its banned). Volbeat. Illumise. Riolu. Liepard. Purrloin. Male Meowstic.

Prankster Sunny Day is very common. Only Thundurus and Tornadus Incarnate forms get prankster and no Sunny Day.
 
Murkrow, chatot, sableye, riolu, talonflame, ditto, kingdra are all top tier.

One thing I was thinking about is that all the speed ties make this extremely luck-based.
 
DontStealMyPenguin said:
Murkrow, chatot, sableye, riolu, talonflame, ditto, kingdra are all top tier.

One thing I was thinking about is that all the speed ties make this extremely luck-based.
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Actually, Riolu isn't that good. Copycat can't choose Roar anymore. And the speed ties aren't too common, although they do happen (but I've been playing against Adrian's stall team so idk). Timid and Jolly outspeed almost everything. Adamant and Modest are more common.
 
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