the Beat Up formula is different
Sacred sword doesn´t ignore your own Accuracy issues from the likes of Flash, it only ignores the defending Pokémon´s Defense and Evasion stat boosts. Note that Snow Cloak, Sand Veil, BrightPowder or Lax Incense are not considered Evasion boosts in this case.
1st post said:
Confirmed Beat Up's new damage formula uses the Attack of each attacker and Defense of the target, but its BP for each hit = 5 + (Base Attack of Attacker / 10). However, if the user's Attack is boosted through the use of an ability, move or item, all Beat Up hits will be boosted.
Mien´s
test results
Mien said:
Beat Up's Base Power Formula= 5 + (User's Base Attack/10)
So, I´ve been using the Whimsicott + Terrakion Beat Up/Justified combo in the Subway and I noticed that it does less damage than expected, expected meaning "applying the above researched formula".
Using a 0 IV, 64 attack Whimsicott, a 181 attack Terrakion, a 211 attack Darmanitan and a 99 attack Latios, most of the time, beat up did 1+2+2+2 damage. This
doesn´t correspond with the formula of using each attacker´s attack.
Supposed formula calculations #1:
Beat Up = 11 base power (67/10 + 5)
64 atk Whimsicott vs 110 def Terrakion = 1-2 dmg
181 atk Terrakion vs 110 def Terrakion = 3-4 dmg
211 atk Darmanitan vs 110 def Terrakion = 4-5 dmg
99 attack Latios vs 110 def Terrakion = 2-3 dmg
Supposed formula calculations #2:
Beat Up Whimsicott = 11 base power
Beat Up Terrakion = 17 base power
Beat Up Darmanitan = 19 base power
Beat Up Latios = 14 base power
64 atk Whimsicott vs 110 def Terrakion = 1-2 dmg
181 atk Terrakion vs 110 def Terrakion = 5-7 dmg
211 atk Darmanitan vs 110 def Terrakion = 4-5 dmg
99 attack Latios vs 110 def Terrakion = 2-3 dmg
The above calcs don´t correspond with the actual damage output I experienced, so I did some in-game double grass double battle tests
Lv.50, 64 attack Whimscicott (#1) using Beat Up on Lv.100, 74 attack & 107 defense Smeargle (#2), behind them Lv.100, 394 attack Rhydon (#3) and Lv.100, 258 attack Salamence (#4).
+6 Beat Up damage (X-Attack): 11-8-19-17, 11-8-19-18
Switched Salamence to Lv.100 Kingdra, 177 attack.
+6 Beat Up damage (X-Attack): 11-8-35-13 (third hit was a CH)
So, judging from my test results, the actual Beat Up formula/description should be:
Beat Up´s base power varies from 5 to 23. When Beat Up is used, for every hit, the actual Attack stat of the initial Beat Up user and the actual Defense stat of the defending Pokémon is used. Only the base power of each Beat Up hit varies, depending on the Pokémon inflicting damage, with the base power formula = 5 + (base Attack/10).
I hope the wording is understandable. If not, please change it.
In my case:
a)
Beat Up Whimsicott = 11 base power
Beat Up Terrakion = 17 base power
Beat Up Darmanitan = 19 base power
Beat Up Latios = 14 base power
64 atk Whimsicott vs 110 def Terrakion using Whimsicott´s Beat Up base power = 1-2 dmg
64 atk Whimsicott vs 110 def Terrakion using Terrakion´s Beat Up base power = 2-3 dmg
64 atk Whimsicott vs 110 def Terrakion using Damanitan´s Beat Up base power = 2-3 dmg
64 atk Whimsicott vs 110 def Terrakion using Latios´ Beat Up base power = 2-3 dmg
Corresponds with my Subway experience of 1-2-2-2, as 2-3-3-3 are only maximum damage rolls, 1-2-2-2 is everything else.
b)
Beat Up Whimsicott = 11 base power
Beat Up Smeargle = 7 base power
Beat Up Rhydon = 18 base power
Beat Up Salamence = 18 base power
Beat Up Kingdra = 14 base power
256 atk Whimsicott vs 107 def Smeargle using Whimsicott´s Beat Up base power = 11-13 dmg
256 atk Whimsicott vs 107 def Smeargle using Smeargle´s Beat Up base power = 7-9 dmg
256 atk Whimsicott vs 107 def Smeargle using Rhydon´s Beat Up base power = 17-20 dmg
256 atk Whimsicott vs 107 def Smeargle using Salamence´s Beat Up base power = 17-20 dmg
256 atk Whimsicott vs 107 def Smeargle using Kingdra´s Beat Up base power = 13-16 dmg
Also corresponds with my test results: 11-8-19-17(18)-13
This means, that Beat Up+Justified is usable even on the likes of Arcanine, doing max 8 damage from a Whimsicott-Deoxys A (highest base attack) combination hit at level 50.