Project BDSP OU How To Lure (Week Seven: Alakazam)

Lalaya

Banned deucer.
Most people run sash nasty plot, not lo, btw.
the point was that if you want to run LO zam you should just run plot blast, not plotless fire punch, idk what you're saying since it literally doesnt pertain to the convo (ofc sash is more used)
 
The Voting Phase is over!
Surprisingly, there was a draw between the Fire Punch Alakazam from yonitet and the Life orb Clefable from Lalaya. Congrats to both of the winners!

Onto this week's threat:

:ss/gliscor:
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 144 SpD / 120 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog​

(Sorry, but this time can you include sprites in your submissions, I know it seems weird but just makes it more presentable. Thank you!)
 
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Even though, my Slaking from last week could fill this role, I decided to choose another 'mon.

:ss/tauros:
Tauros @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Rock Climb
- Rock Slide/Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt/Flamethrower
- Ice Beam

While Tauros is usually used as a physical Sheer Force user, Life Orb + Sheer Force can make any special move fairly powerful. As it two shots the Gliscor set after eating up an Earthquake: 4 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Ice Beam vs. 228 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 192-229 (55.1 - 65.8%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal, 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tauros: 109-129 (37.4 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO. The other moves on the set are just regular attacks-you can fill them up with whatever you want. You can also add Flamethrower to check Scizor and other 'mons. But you already know what that combo of moves hit, so I won't reiterate them here again. With Tauros's speed tier, it outspeeds Dragonite, Tyranitar, and can hit Tangrowth which would usually wall it. For these reasons, I believe that Tauros is a great nominee for taking care of Gliscor.
 

yonitet

Banned deucer.
Skarmory
Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Weak Armor
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 144 HP / 192 Atk / 76 Def / 96 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Brave Bird
- Taunt
- Swords Dance
- Roost

This Skarmory set is very diffrent from the norm. It's main draw is that it's offensive while being decently bulky. These EV's let this skarmory outspeed specially defensive gliscor, while packing a nasty gift: Swords Dance. Skarmory generally lures in Gliscor effectively as Gliscor it can heal off its meager damage easily with poison heal and roost, while taunting or defogging away its hazards. This Skarmory set can easily set up swords dance on Gliscor, as it will never do any meaningful damage to it, no matter the set, while also not being able to resist knocking off its leftovers and activating its 'trap card'. Weak armor will make you faster than any variant of Gliscor, Lati twins, Alakazam and Weavile. This skarmoy beats Gliscor by setting up swords dance, and taunting the Gliscor and forcing it to either knock off its leftovers, waste earthquake pp or u-turn. This taunt also causes Gliscor to be unable to roost off brave bird damage as even after a dance, it will only do 60-80%. If backed by a rocks setter, this Skarmory can also be an effective sweeper assuming counters like Heatran, Magnezone and Jirachi are disposed of. After a swords dance, this Skarmory guaranteed OHKOs every prominent flying-weak target aside from Tangrowth which cannot harm it, but might actually trigger its weak armor with knock off. With stealth rock and swords dance up, this Skarmory can OHKO the likes of Garchomp, Mamoswine, Feraligatr, Shaymin, Starmie, while 2HKOing scarf and specs Rotom-W. This Skarmory set is also notable for completely dominating the Scizor matchup, as at +2, it is guaranteed to 2HKO any type of Scizor, on top of Scizor being more than willing in u-turning on it, which will trigger weak armor and let Skarmory set up swords dance for essentially free. This set is hard countered by standard Skarmories that outspeed it, but against the majority of them it can taunt them before they can pull off a whirlwind. This Skarmory is faster than adamant Azumarill without weak armor boost, but slightly more speed can be added to outspeed the likes of Crawdaunt, subpunch Breloom, and even modest Magnezone if youre willing to sacrafice enough bulk.

https://pokepast.es/cf87be12152a1917
 
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Lalaya

Banned deucer.
Even though, my Slaking from last week could fill this role, I decided to choose another 'mon.

:ss/tauros:
Tauros @ Life Orb
Ability: Sheer Force
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Rock Climb
- Rock Slide/Earthquake
- Zen Headbutt/Flamethrower
- Ice Beam

While Tauros is usually used as a physical Sheer Force user, Life Orb + Sheer Force can make any special move fairly powerful. As it two shots the Gliscor set after eating up an Earthquake: 4 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Ice Beam vs. 228 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 192-229 (55.1 - 65.8%) -- 95.3% chance to 2HKO after Poison Heal, 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Tauros: 109-129 (37.4 - 44.3%) -- guaranteed 3HKO. The other moves on the set are just regular attacks-you can fill them up with whatever you want. You can also add Flamethrower to check Scizor and other 'mons. But you already know what that combo of moves hit, so I won't reiterate them here again. With Tauros's speed tier, it outspeeds Dragonite, Tyranitar, and can hit Tangrowth which would usually wall it. For these reasons, I believe that Tauros is a great nominee for taking care of Gliscor.
reminder that the Pokémon allowed should be on the VR
 

Lalaya

Banned deucer.
ShucaTran?
Nah we're better than these items here we don't need any resist item here
We have... THE CREEPER...

:dp/heatran: @ :Charcoal:
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 52 HP / 252 SpA / 204 Spe
Modest Nature
- Overheat
- Stealth Rock / Taunt
- Magma Storm
- Payback

1: this isn't useless against any Lati twins (Dark Pulse bad, don't @ me)
2: this deals with EVERY gliscor that switches in, both stallscor and fastscor
252+ SpA Charcoal Heatran Magma Storm vs. 228 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 186-220 (53.4 - 63.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock, Poison Heal, and trapping damage
you just do it twice since you're faster, gone
252+ SpA Charcoal Heatran Overheat vs. 228 HP / 252+ SpD Gliscor: 243-286 (69.8 - 82.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and Poison Heal
or click heat > magma or magma > heat to actually not miss both
252+ SpA Charcoal Heatran Overheat vs. 244 HP / 144 SpD Gliscor: 297-351 (84.3 - 99.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
problem solved :blobthumbsup:
3: spread goes up to Timid Magnezone, but you can go down as this specific slow Gliscor requires, but it basically deals with every Gliscor by just clicking Overheat once (if you want to scout, throw rocks, a Magma Storm or doubleswitch, but play aggressive)
4: Taunt > SR shuts up Blissey so you can go that route with a insanely useful furnace

s/o to adem brainstorming THE CREEPER... when we built that insane team a month ago
 
that spread sucks

Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 144 SpD / 120 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog

imagine being slower than heatran as a gliscor
changed the set yonitet Kiry4n if this affects your set please make any changes if need be.
Lalaya, someone else had already used the set you posted (Kiry4n reserved tran and editted it an hour before you posted), please use a different set.
PowerOfMemes tauros is not on the VR and therefore isn't an allowed submission.
Sorry for all the confusion.
 
Skill Swap Jirachi

:bw/jirachi:

Jirachi @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 236 HP / 48 Def / 224 SpD
Bold Nature
- Stealth Rock
- U-turn
- Doom Desire
- Skill Swap

Tired of Gliscors that force your Jirachi out and Defog your rocks away? Well you won’t be anymore! Skill Swap permanently cripples Gliscor and can also help against the rare Magic Bounce anti-leads like Espeon. A Bold Nature with the given EVs allows Jirachi to avoid the 2HKO from Earthquake from full. The rest of the EVs is dumped into Special Defense. You can also replace either U-turn or Doom Desire with Thunder Wave depending on what role you want it to fulfill.

  • 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 48+ Def Jirachi: 180-212 (44.5 - 52.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
  • 252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Draco Meteor vs. 236 HP / 224 SpD Jirachi: 129-152 (32.2 - 38%) -- 0.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
  • 252 SpA Rotom-Wash Hydro Pump vs. 236 HP / 224 SpD Jirachi: 126-148 (31.5 - 37%) -- guaranteed 4HKO after Leftovers recovery
  • 252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 236 HP / 224 SpD Jirachi: 157-187 (39.2 - 46.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
 
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For Gliscor, the new set, I'm going to nominate ATowerFalledXD's Tyranitar from last weeks, but with a few tweaks.

:ss/tyranitar:
Tyranitar @ Expert Belt
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Def / 108 SpA
Modest Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Ice Beam
- Flamethrower
- Dark Pulse

Being weak to Gliscor's Earthquake will bring it in to attack it, but with the defensive EVs you always get three shot by it, but you only need to get hit once, so you can hit them back with your Expert Belt boosted-four times super-effective-Ice Beam which always OHKOs it from full health: 108+ SpA Expert Belt Tyranitar Ice Beam vs. 244 HP / 144 SpD Gliscor: 389-461 (110.5 - 130.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO. Earthquake Calc: 0 Atk Gliscor Earthquake vs. 148 HP / 252 Def Tyranitar: 152-182 (40.2 - 48.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO.
 
The Voting Phase is over!
Surprisingly, there was a draw between the Fire Punch Alakazam from yonitet and the Life orb Clefable from Lalaya. Congrats to both of the winners!

Onto this week's threat:

:ss/gliscor:
Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 244 HP / 144 SpD / 120 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- U-turn
- Roost
- Defog​

(Sorry, but this time can you include sprites in your submissions, I know it seems weird but just makes it more presentable. Thank you!)

:bw/salamence:

Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate / Moxie
EVs: 156 Atk / 136 SpA / 216 Spe
Rash Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Hydro Pump
- Fire Blast / Iron Tail

Now you may think the ev's are weird, yes they are, but that is because this is the set that i call Luremence.

Due to Gliscor being spdef, It may switch on a fire blast or want to switch on those unboosted dragon claws. ( 156 Atk Life Orb Salamence Dragon Claw vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 136-161 (38.6 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Poison Heal) But thanks to hydro pump, Salamence can effectively lure and take out or force Gliscor out and thanks to the ev's, it has a 75% chance to ohko! ( 136+ SpA Life Orb Salamence Hydro Pump vs. 244 HP / 144 SpD Gliscor: 294-348 (83.5 - 98.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock) I find this Salamence set rather dangerous, as it may lure physdef Pokémon like Skarmory,Scizor,Tangrowth and Clefable and take them out with fire blast or Iron Tail, allowing Salamence to get pass the things that mightve been the only way to stop it from sweeping. ( 156 Atk Life Orb Salamence Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 239-283 (60.6 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock) Intimidate so it could setup on the numerous Pokémon Salamence can switch into (if rocks aren't up :c ) but moxie can most definitely be utilized for more effective sweeping.​
 

yonitet

Banned deucer.

:bw/salamence:

Salamence @ Life Orb
Ability: Intimidate / Moxie
EVs: 156 Atk / 136 SpA / 216 Spe
Rash Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Hydro Pump
- Fire Blast / Iron Tail

Now you may think the ev's are weird, yes they are, but that is because this is the set that i call Luremence.

Due to Gliscor being spdef, It may switch on a fire blast or want to switch on those unboosted dragon claws. ( 156 Atk Life Orb Salamence Dragon Claw vs. 244 HP / 0 Def Gliscor: 136-161 (38.6 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Stealth Rock and Poison Heal) But thanks to hydro pump, Salamence can effectively lure and take out or force Gliscor out and thanks to the ev's, it has a 75% chance to ohko! ( 136+ SpA Life Orb Salamence Hydro Pump vs. 244 HP / 144 SpD Gliscor: 294-348 (83.5 - 98.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock) I find this Salamence set rather dangerous, as it may lure physdef Pokémon like Skarmory,Scizor,Tangrowth and Clefable and take them out with fire blast or Iron Tail, allowing Salamence to get pass the things that mightve been the only way to stop it from sweeping. ( 156 Atk Life Orb Salamence Iron Tail vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Clefable: 239-283 (60.6 - 71.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock) Intimidate so it could setup on the numerous Pokémon Salamence can switch into (if rocks aren't up :c ) but moxie can most definitely be utilized for more effective sweeping.​
Try calcing bulky roost ddance that isn't 2hkod by clef moonblast
 

Xilefi

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reserving magnezone

:bw/magnezone:
Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability : Analytic
EVs : 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Canon
- Thunder​

Who would think that Magnezone has an other ability than Magnet Pull ? Actually, Magnezone is one of the rare pokemon that has access to three very viable abilities, namely the very obnoxious and favor of choice Magnet Pull, Sturdy and the one that interests us here Analytic.

Magnezone is since its apparition a major force of the game and BDSP makes no exception. Steel types being so prevalent, the ability of the zone to trap them is a bless for a multitude of pokemons, especially dragon and psychic types. For instance, DragMag has been and still is a very potent strategy in the current metagame and one of the best answer to the magnet is the afforementioned Gliscor. In classic circumstances, Gliscor is able to switch into any Flash Canon and threatening the OHKO with the four times effective Earthquake while being faster, when it has not completly neutered any choice locked electric move.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Analytic Magnezone Flash Cannon vs. 244 HP / 144 SpD Gliscor: 297-351 (84.3 - 99.7%) -- 75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

As switching triggers Analytic, Flash Canon has 75% to OHKO the predicted Gliscor through rocks. 3 chances about 4 to open any future electric move. 3 chances about 4 to not bother predicting. This scenario is even more likely that Gliscor is often the main defoger and will try to free out the field from hazards. As a bonus, it is still Modest Choice Specs Magnezone, it hurts like a truck and you can still pretend running Magnet Pull as everyone is expecting it.

In fact, Analytic Magnezone is a lure that benefits itself in addition of its teammates.
 
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yonitet

Banned deucer.
Lalaya's Heatran and Xilefi's Magnezone. The others don't really bait in gliscor, as gliscor is already threatened by mence, and jirachi isn't too hard to deal with
 

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