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[Beginner] Brawl Mafia - Game over! Rejects and smashlloyd20 win!

Snype, we haven't much time left and you still haven't adressed undisputed's post.

Undisputed, you still haven't addressed the fact that Snype claimed he was samus with power armor to protect him from a lynch, and when he was lynched, not only did he survive, but bits of metal and wire fell off of him. As much as I hate to trust anyone, there's not much better proof than that.
 
Firstly, they are not all "of that quality", as this is only my second mafia game.

Secondly, I didn't edit the post until hours later because of something called "school." Don't know if you heard, but school isn't the best place to be staring at your smartphone's display screen all day. I'm not about to get my phone taken up.

Lastly, why would I hook somebody? There was nobody to hook; I never received any sort of request to "hook" or "kill" or whatever the hell I'm supposed to be doing in this game. And besides, a lot of other characters in-game could count as "8-bit." Sonic, possibly, or maybe Mega Man. Of course, if in the game at all, Sonic would be village and Mega Man Reject (wolf?). Therefore, whoever hooked this unnamed player with "8-bit flavor" could be a smart village. Or perhaps mafia.

First I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I was assuming that your posts are generally better than that claim.

Second, that post was on Saturday and you made posts afterward without editing your original one. I don't usually have school on Saturday, but it's possible. However, you still didn't edit it while you apparently had school and made another post.

Third, if you were the mafia hooker, why wouldn't you random hook someone. There really isn't a reason not to. 8 bit flavor sounds fishy given the circumstances of your claim and additional info I learned. Perhaps g&w was a nice safe claim that matches up with your flavor hook. I still maintain that g&w is kind of a rejected character, but neither sounds like that much of a stretch.

Again feel free to post any qs and concerns and I'll address them after baseball
 
tldr, but I can confirm that Snype was "celebrating" last night. He claims that he did not want it.

Nonetheless, some of your logic seems to be shoddy, and your grammar is terrible. I will let others pick it apart some more, but until we hear all arguments we should trust no one, both Snype and you.


Proof. NOW.
 
I attempted an action on Snype that failed because he was celebrating. I can't copy paste on this damn iPhone, and I don't want to reveal my role. In any case, Snype should be able to confirm for me, since I first told him he was celebrating and I said it before undisputed posted it.
 
Snype, we haven't much time left and you still haven't adressed undisputed's post.

Undisputed, you still haven't addressed the fact that Snype claimed he was samus with power armor to protect him from a lynch, and when he was lynched, not only did he survive, but bits of metal and wire fell off of him. As much as I hate to trust anyone, there's not much better proof than that.

Sorry for the double post; I can't figure out how to cp and edit on my iPod.

I don't know why the flavor matches up to be honest. Either he's the real thing or he picked samus Aran as a safeclaim that naturally matches his flavor from the role pm. Neither can be proved from the flavor in the update alone. So honestly flavor neither proves nor disproves my argument or snypes.
 
Yeah it took a while but at the time I started it wouldve been a double.

Edit: on the topic of snype's flavor, I'm not entirely convinced it's entirely samus flavored although it's close. The main reason is that I wouldve expected more flavor like "lost a suit" or some more creative variance than breaking metal or whatever. If any of you have played smbb, you know that samus turns into zero suit samus after her final smash which is where I'm getting the suit part. Also, I don't really know what wires have to do with samus, so I'll just throw that out there too
 
Yeah it took a while but at the time I started it wouldve been a double.

Edit: on the topic of snype's flavor, I'm not entirely convinced it's entirely samus flavored although it's close. The main reason is that I wouldve expected more flavor like "lost a suit" or some more creative variance than breaking metal or whatever. If any of you have played smbb, you know that samus turns into zero suit samus after her final smash which is where I'm getting the suit part. Also, I don't really know what wires have to do with samus, so I'll just throw that out there too

It's a power suit. Electricity makes power. Electricity runs through wires and metal.
 
Okay, lemme lay this down right now.

I'm missing probably about half the night actions. I do NOT want to be subbing people out, so send 'em in before I begin casting Meteor or smashing with my hand. And I'm a lefty, so I get a power boost!
 
I attempted an action on Snype that failed because he was celebrating. I can't copy paste on this damn iPhone, and I don't want to reveal my role. In any case, Snype should be able to confirm for me, since I first told him he was celebrating and I said it before undisputed posted it.

wait

but if Snype was BGed

how did this guy

Actually, it just said that in all my posts, I had to include that phrase, like so:
I'm the inspector, and I'm confirming that Steven Snype is indeed on our side. He get's my full support to lead the village.

So yeah, I can post whatever I want, as long as I post that message exactly. Anyways, I trust Snype a lot more now so No Lynch

inspect snype

EDIT: oh derp
 
lol what? did you just say that a mafia sg'd you? Why on earth would a mafia sg you? i am beside myself. Also I'm reading and replying to your post.

So then that the inspector would not be able to check me at all because said mafia thinks that the only way to make me clean is by inspect. I have cleaned myself by my role. You, on the other hand, have not.
 
First off, redundancy in roles is one of the first things that are unlikely to happen. LPV and LPV/BPV are too similar in roles to really expect them both to be used by the village. When designing a game, the host would give a variety of small challenges for the mafia to overcome since otherwise they can just kill and lynch off people until they end up having to win. For two people to have a LPV is heavily unlikely. Second off, this doesn't really prove "the fact that you do indeed have the role you said you do" as you may have a mafia lynch redirector as a teammate. Third, if you're talking about flavor, I don't know what game you're talking about, but Reversal never has the user making a mirage. It is a move (in Pokemon)/ability (in Brawl) that deals more damage the more damage that Lucario holds. I also do not buy your claim since you've also only bothered to paste your claim after Day 1, and I do not see any people verifying your claim.

1. Redundancy in roles is odd, that's why you're being called out as a mafia member, bud.

2. Don't know where you're getting this lynch redirect stuff, but you seem pretty dead-set on it. Mind telling me and the rest of the village why you are so sure that that is my role? Do you 'know' that I got redirected because you and your teammates have a similar role? Dunno why you seem so convinced this is my role.

3. Also I have no idea where you're getting the "there's no mirage" point, but if you've played SMBB like me, you know that B-Down does indeed create a mirage and Lucario Reverses on the opponents attack. Nice try there.

The second statement about the first part is false: I do care that there is a mafia and I have been thinking about its possible roles based on the result PMs that people have been telling me, which is why it's important for people to get your claims in and send in night results.

The second part is something that is also a justifiable explanation, which is something at this time that I cannot disprove. All I can say is the safeguard is something I had never asked for. It was a risk that I was aware of, but tbh, even if I said, "hey guys an inspector checked me," I'm positive some of the more experienced players would say, "well, what if you're a mafia and you just have a mafia inspector with you to lure the village?" when that brings about more shit by who's actually an inspector and who's not. There is no 100% foolproof solution for a villager to claim to be something N0. This was the counter that I predicted to happen, and if you think about this from every possible way, it's just something that can happen. However, do not be so quick to discredit me. I have pasted my full role PM in public and been honest in the thread with you guys about it. Continue reading my responses.

The second part is justifiable because it's highly likely. I don't know who you expect to believe "that you were randomly safeguarded" especially when you cite the inexperience of everyone in the game as the reason for your hostile takeover. This maybe the most telling part of his reply, ladies and gentlemen, so I'm going to bold it.

The idea in claiming N0 but not claiming my role is that I already had people claiming towards me. The idea is to use the result PMs to ultimately figure out who's clean and who's not. If I get a conflict in results, which is highly likely what I suspect will happen. Mafiosos would lie to the village since they do not want to give them information as it is the one thing that mafia by themselves. Unlike most people in the game, I don't completely buy role PMs. You earn my trust based on the actions you do as actions speak louder than words. Anyway, the last thing I wanted was for the likelihood that someone would claim that they were hooked N0. I want results now to work off who's telling the truth, and thus, is trustworthy by the village, and who's a mafioso.

The idea with the role name is to bind the mafia to a specific role name and flavor from as very early as N0. Most hosts don't give their mafias safeclaims until the end of N0. Based on the results I've seen so far, and the one that undisputed has posted in this thread, they're all heavily flavor based. I've restricted the mafia to the type of flavor they give. I can confirm that the person with that result has talked to me and I have talked to that person, and therefore, the flavor shows up in the results.

1. Oh yes, let's use the role pms to "clean you" or "clean others" when you're the only one who can do that. I still don't get why you wouldn't claim your role (not the whole pm just a short statement ("Im lpv guys).

2. I understand the idea behind the role names. No one asked about this plan. To me it looks like a half assed attempt to gain the "leadership role" without giving out any real info.

Nah, there's a third reason behind my "aggressive takeover". The only reason I'm in this beginner game is b/c I wanted a shot at leading. I requested a role that I could lead with, and my leading so far is pretty decent. I've forced a mafia to use up their lynch redirect on someone who is the second-most experienced player in this game (His first game was my second game, which was Anything Goes iirc) and no power role has been harmed as a result of something that is not named first-time ness. If you read through the thread of Anything Goes, you can see that the villagers were really inexperienced, and both mafias and the wolf moled them to a flawless mafia victory. I don't want this game to become an Anything Goes V2.

Again, you're convinced that I have a lynch redirect on my team which suggests you know something that we all don't. In addition, why do you feel the need to bring up Anything Goes? This is a completely different game, so I don't see why it applies.

Also, its pretty convenient that you "asked for a village role especially after:

<undisput3d> we shouldve requested to be on the same team
<StevenSnype> i did.
<undisput3d> we should do that in the future
<StevenSnype> i told auramaster
<StevenSnype> if at all possible
<StevenSnype> i'd like to request that you and me be mafia

Haha? ironic? I don't know.

Thank you Captain Obvious. I've addressed this earlier in my post. This is a mafia safeguard (likely a Reject SG that targeted it since I'm getting the idea it's a party game). Now he claims that my claim post is a load of shit. Let's go on.

I expected many of you to read the Smog on your first game tbh, as there was a previous game when most of the village did try leading the smog articles and noticing that passive roles like BPV/LPV were recommended fake claims, which is why I made that point. I believe it was the game with badal/manav lynch and ginganinja leading.

1. You were randomly SGed, uh huh, yeah. That makes sense. Especially when you say that you expected everyone to read the smog article because they were new. Oh wait! No, what snype said doesn't make sense. My b.

2. Yo claim post is a load of shit. I'm callin shit to be shit.

I just wanted an inspector on me anyway. I didn't want to have three different inspect claims going, "oh, person A is a village. Person B is a village. Person C is a village." That was exactly how Anything Goes went on, except the real full role PM inspect was hooked/kidnapped every possible time.

You wanted an inspector on you because you knew you'd be partying. The village inspect could always come to you in PM before you make your role claim and show you the damn proof. If you had said what your role was (Guys Im LPV) on night 0, someone would've had to get your whole PM and then you would've been cleaned beyond a doubt. That would've been a great idea, but I guess it's too late to correct that blunder.

Wow, again, who cares about previous mafia. It doesn't influence this game. Sounds like you're running out of meaningful evidence is my guess.



You really should expect that if you don't claim to a village leader by a late point in the game, odds are, he's probably not going to believe you. This is just common sense. If you really were this role and allied with the village, then you should have a damn good reason to not claim until a late point. I wanted a village to be unified as early as possible so that there would be as small a chance as possible for a mafia mole infiltration.

Snype do you have a 5 year old brother operating your computer? I've said multiple times that I didn't claim because I planned on exposing you as a fraud with my role. Why on earth would you expect me to post that?

All you were doing really was making accusations and biased questions, which knowing you, you have a tendency to . You also lie to the village leader, which is exactly how I intended to flush out the mafia.

I make accusations on likely circumstances, which being me, I have a tendency to do.

I lie to the "Mafia leader" too, so you really got me on this one. There is nothing that proves you're clean.

Actually, I told you in advance of the conversation that it was getting late, so I'd expect that my dad would come in and flip out on me for being on the computer on a school night, which is what happened, except he was too busy yelling at me. I really don't know what you mean by active on the forums as I may have been on to check PMs before I left for school that day since I was in the middle of making the initial lynch undisputed post.

You never told me this, and if anyone would like the entire log, please ask and I will not be shy giving it to you.


lol. You're really bitching at me to use this PM? Anyway, when I saw the PM, which was 5 minutes before I left for school, I really knew you'd be trying to troll me since that's what you do a lot in most game I've seen to you/talked to you about. The reasoning for the lynch was based on other people's results, and that's what I'd want to focus on. I just didn't need it.

But you had time to type up some long post with second rate evidence compared to my "Hey join me and the mafia PM"? Real good one here Snype, I wouldn't have chosen that either.

Okay, it's about 10:04 PM for me my time.


Again, this log was after I had got home from school and by checking over the PM, I only looked at it for 30 seconds before moving on and packing my lunch and heading for school.

What? I don't have time stamps, but you immediately left after I accused you of being a reject. Maybe pure coincidence? Probably not especially since those wouldve been the first lines you would see instead of sifting back through our convo to find second rate evidence.

I got this claim Day 1 since you're not allowed to share whole role PMs N0. I've told this user along with most of the others, if you've claimed to me, who I need you to target.

So you got the safeguard claim asking what to do on Day 1? lol?


Hi, I publicly claimed that I had a LPV. You didn't even claim a role that had working mechanics as per the lynch. More importantly, I offered you a chance to claim to me, which you never really bothered doing until after N1. I'd like people in this game to publicly confirm that you've actually talked to them and this was your whole role PM. If you say you've had multiple people trusting you, then I would like multiple people confirming that you've claimed before D1 was over.

I didn't claim because I planned to have you exposed. Quit skipping over the 4+ times I've mentioned this. Maybe you're IQ falls between 50-60 but I've already mentioned why I wouldn't claim to you.

I'm not exposing my multiple people because they've been very helpful in exposing you as a fraud.


I've just proven myself as a role and I've been missing a couple of claims b/c they wanted to see my role cleaned. I will admit that in this case, I'm just trying to get as much info as I can from a mafia before he dies to give us clues on who to lynch next. I do have a list of untrustworthy people. It's like a cop and a criminal. Even though the cop thinks the bad guy is guilty of the crime, the criminal ends up being desperate and will do whatever he can to save himself, even if it means ousting teammates or coming up with a lie for the cop to disprove.

I don't understand what you said to be honest.

The flavor did speak for itself. Some people have to have this pointed out though, since I wouldn't have expected newer players to catch onto this unless someone pointed it out.

Flavor, again, proves nothing. It's pretty easy to understand that a safe claim is not hard to come up with to match your flavor. I claimed Lucario immediately to you (and you can confirm this), which matches up with my flavor, so we both seem to have equal reasoning on this one.

Okay, I'm not going to argue against what undisputed is going to say here, as I myself am not publicly confirming nor denying who I exactly trust to give names for the mafia as to who I trust/they want dead/ try to mole.

Doesn't pertain to you really, so that's fine. I'd still like to point out that they have made no effort to defend themselves which means I'm probably right.

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I'm not going to reply to the part about the technicality since that's honestly just arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
So then that the inspector would not be able to check me at all because said mafia thinks that the only way to make me clean is by inspect. I have cleaned myself by my role. You, on the other hand, have not.

I've cleaned myself to the extent you have. I posted my role and the update lines up.

Also, please. You use the fact that you think a bunch of people in this game are idiots and that's why you were aggressive and cite smog articles for your admittance that your role is "sketchy". Let's be realistic, the only person you even consider on your level is me, and we apparently know I was safeguarded. That pretty much confirms I don't have a safe guarding role. And like you've said, how many beginners are smart enough to make that play? Sounds like you're making stuff up. Get your story straight.

Sorry about the double post but its different than the previous one and would get lost otherwise.
 
Deadline update thingy! What a terrible night to be a lkk.

As you all wake up, you look around to notice... OH SNAP! undisputed is lying on the ground, and nobody can get him up! dukefan5 simply walks over to him, and screams "I HAVE BACON!". Everyone, including undisputed runs over to dukefan5, expecting some bacon, except for a few users. loudkirbyking just shrugged. "I like bacon, but it doesn't like me too much" He stated, then looked around. As everyone began to acquire their bacon, bob_squob points out that the area they're in looks a lot like a drawing board. Out of nowhere, a missile made up or poorly drawn lines comes around, hitting khz, but not doing much damage because it WAS just lines. masterful begins to point out that this area has something written on it. "Entering auramaster. Um... what the heck?"

All of a sudden, a drawing is made on the back wall. But, since nobody can read the chicken scratch whoever drew that said, instead you heard a voice, saying...

If Samus is dead, we must trust the Ancient Minister.

Nobody understood that, so you all shrug it off like the tuna that Tsuk tried to pass off as a steak. While you all glare at Tsuk for that trick, HSA begins to feel something icy strike. You all look up to notice that it's hailing. A drawing appears of an umbrella, in which everyone gathers under. As auramaster begins to count through everyone, he noticed a few users are missing. First, Deinosaur, which probably explained the lack of Draco Meteors. He appears to have gone off, appearing a bit off, but nothing more. He should be back sometime later... we think. Second is Steven Snype, but after a few minutes of looking, you notice he's still eating his bacon, so you leave him be. Third is Galladiator, who you found not a few feet away. It looks like something really big squished him like a Stunfisk. No coming back from that one, even with a Full Restore.

He was...

Dear Galladiator,
you are Mr. Game and Watch.

You are an 8-bit, 2D hero from many different “Game and Watch” games. You have many jobs, varying from crossing turtles, holding back lions, acting as a hammer judge, being a flagman, cooking food, spraying bugs, even trampolining people from burning buildings. With all of these talents, you decided to show off how awesome 8-Bit characters are to all these newfangled Playable Characters by joining them and showing off your awesomeness.

At night, you may send a PM to loudkirbyking and auramaster titled, “Night X - Get a 9 on <user>”, you will hit <user> with your judge hammer, striking a lucky super-powered 9 as it will auto-kill <user> after an home run baseball bat sound. However, since you’re not too lucky, this will only work once. Any other time you try it, you’ll only end up getting 1’s, which actually hurt YOU.

You are allied with the Playable Characters, you win if all threats are eliminated.

Nobody's really sure how to bury a 2-D character, so you just fold him into a paper airplane and send him away to return to his world.

Everyone is almost done evacuating the city. As you all look back at the death, most of you are filled with rage. The rest are filled with either gas from the bacon, or water from eating a few hailstones. "Let's do this. METEOR SMASH!" loudkirbyking blurts out, accidentally crushing smashlloyd20. With a quick usage of Heart Containers and food, he's okay.

Result PM's being sent out right about... 5 seconds from this post.
 
I've cleaned myself to the extent you have. I posted my role and the update lines up.

Also, please. You use the fact that you think a bunch of people in this game are idiots and that's why you were aggressive and cite smog articles for your admittance that your role is "sketchy". Let's be realistic, the only person you even consider on your level is me, and we apparently know I was safeguarded. That pretty much confirms I don't have a safe guarding role. And like you've said, how many beginners are smart enough to make that play? Sounds like you're making stuff up. Get your story straight.

Sorry about the double post but its different than the previous one and would get lost otherwise.

Let's be realistic, there are a bunch of people that are new and have barely played 1 or 2 games. There are also people that have played around 4 and 5 games, but still want to work on their skills in the Beginner game. I expect that on a mafia team there'd be some balance and the more experienced players on the team would help out the newer players, similar as to how we helped out khz in the graveyard known as Mythology.

Now back to your earlier claim on Galladiator being one of my mafia partners. Update says otherwise.

I want everyone to forward me night results.
 
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