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[Beginner] Randomness Mafia - Game Over! The Needy win!

Deadline!

You wake up, glad to be alive. You feel slightly sick after what happened yesterday, but you ignore the feeling. The past is the past, and today is going to be much worse. You stumble out of bed and towards the town square, dreading what you are about to see.

Much to your surprise, it seems no one died last night. How strange.

It also seems that macle has return. Fantastic!

All PMs have been sent. It is now d2.
D2 will end at 7:00 PST, October 5th or when majority has been reached.
 
Kick badalcristiano off of the island.

Seriously. A town lynch redirector isn't going to switch the lynch from a guy with a very shifty role PM to a possible investigator. It ain't gonna happen.
 
All right, I for one will say that I wish to lynch polelover44, and will give my reasons why. I'm not claiming leader, anything, but wish to show my thoughts, reasonings, and what-not.

Let's look at his 'assumed' role PM.

Upside said:
Dear polelover44,

You are Harriet Beecher Stowe

You are an anti-slavery woman in America in the 19th century. You died when you were 85, which is old even now. Even cooler, you have your own landmark, the Harriet Beecher Stowe House in Ohio. Because you were a woman in a sexist time period, you have joined the Needy.

Each night, you may send a PM titled "Night X - Inviting <user> to House and serving coffee" to both Upside and Bunnymaster. However, you will make <user> pay for the coffee. Because <user> does not have enough cash on them, they will instead show you their full Role PM.

You are allied with the Needy. You win if the Needy eliminate all threats.

Now, let's begin to prod out errors.

First error is the information. It is all useless stuff, and yet says nothing of what she's famous for.

Second, the multiple mistyping The Needy. The "T" should be capitalized, yet it's not throughout the whole thing. Upside makes typo's, but he should memorize his own village he made.

Third, BunnyMaster's "M" isn't capitalized. Obviously, this is a fail moment. Considering that BunnyMaster is Upside's OTHER HOST, I can guarantee he would get the name right.

Pointed out by the ever so brilliant Auramaster, there's also no period on the end of his role, which has been seen on every other true role/sample role posted.

Now, onto the next step. Polelover's suspicion. From the beginning of Manav's fail VM post, we've all been suspicious of Polelover44. Though he claimed false, our thoughts were distracted by Badal's suspicion. So, thus, this caused the lynch redirect and killed off our inspector.

Let's see, what else. We were given a Private chat between ginga and Badal in the main area, approved by both. Let me say part of what was posted in there.

Private Chat said:
[10:03am] Badal: I do not have his role PM
[10:03am] Badal: but I do have his role
[10:03am] Badal: he is mafia inspector

Simple enough? We were given a role later, also.

mIRC said:
[14:22] <ginganinja> Dear polelover44, You are Starbucks Coffee Company. You are famous for selling extremely overpriced coffee, as well as smoothies and various other drinks. Although you generally prefer to open up new shops on street corners, you've been recruited by The Notorious to help them win this skirmish. Obviously, your most useful asset is your ability to produce
[14:22] <ginganinja> really good coffee.
[14:22] <ginganinja> Each night, you may send a PM titled "Night X - Selling <user> some overpriced coffee" to both Upside and BunnyMaster. You will offer to sell <user> a cup of coffee at a ridiculously high price. <user> will not be able to pay for the coffee with cash, so you will accept his full role PM instead.
[14:23] <ginganinja> In addition, you may also send a PM titled "Night X - Using my vast corporate influence to protect <user>" to both Upside and BunnyMaster. You will use your vast amounts of money and influence to ensure that <user> is protected from all attempts on his life that night. Unfortunately, doing this is illegal due to insider trading laws or something.
[14:23] <ginganinja> To avoid arousing suspicious, you may not use this action two nights in a row. You are allied with The Notorious. Your team's details are in a separate PM.

Both also confirmed by the same two, and seems reasonable on many other levels.

Now, let's go through the evidence so far. Fake PM posted, suspicion from before sub, and role become. What else do we need?

Yet we have more.

EDIT: My results last night gave me by Needy bodyguard, who I shall soon contact. I will not out the BG's name, however, for fear of his death.

Now, we can assume that someone, probably the vigilante tried to kill either polelover or Badal. Now, if he knows the BG, then he can ask the BG to protect him, which proves no kills. As for the other, it might've just been a lucky random.

Now, with this power, and the such huge suspicion on him, what other thing can you say beyond lynch polelover44?

For Badal, I think more investigation is needed before a lynch. More information is always needed before anything, and I think we have more then enough for polelover44 first.

With everything I have said, I hope you join me in this lynch. If you need more evidence, I'll give my best to scan for it.
 
Ok. Slight problems with your analysis, Kirby (I've already spoken to you on IRC, just posting it out there for everyone to see).

Second, the multiple mistyping The Needy. The "T" should be capitalized, yet it's not throughout the whole thing. Upside makes typo's, but he should memorize his own village he made.

Third, BunnyMaster's "M" isn't capitalized. Obviously, this is a fail moment. Considering that BunnyMaster is Upside's OTHER HOST, I can guarantee he would get the name right.

Pointed out by the ever so brilliant Auramaster, there's also no period on the end of his role, which has been seen on every other true role/sample role posted.

I find it quite funny that you're going after Pole for human mistakes (missing capitalizations and punctuation) while forgetting that Badal's role PM has much bigger mistakes.

1. Badal's role PM says nothing of "joining" the Needy. I checked with a bunch of people for the word "join" and they all claimed that they had it in their role PM. Along with anyone who's posted a role PM in the open and my own. Coincidence?

2. Probably the smoking gun. Badal's PM says "BunnyMaster and Upside", not "Upside and BunnyMaster". If Pole looks guilty for not having the M capitalized, what does that say about Badal?


Now, my next thing. I spoke to Pole two nights ago after he posted his role PM and claimed that he found the Doc (BG for all of you Smogon lingo lovers). I then got him to tell me who that person was (I believe that Pole actually forgot that he had mentioned this person). I then went to this person and got this person to confirm after sending a PM to them a couple days ago (blame the fact that I had no internet for 48 hours)

<Life> Anyway
<Life> Are you the Doctor (I'm not mafia)
<DOCTOR> You said you already knew my role earlier.
<Life> Yeah but you didn't send anything back
<Life> I just need confirmation
<Life> If so, protect Ginganinja. He's going to lead the village and he needs your protection
<Life> His role raises your priority
<DOCTOR> I know.

...

<Life> Did you sit on Ginga last night?
<DOCTOR> Did I what?
<Life> Who did you protect?
<Life> Yourself or Ginga?
<DOCTOR> What's all this about sitting on people?
<Life> I say "sit on" when I refer to a night action
<Life> It's a personal thing
<DOCTOR> Oh, okay.
<DOCTOR> Ginga, obv.
Now, the important thing to note is that nobody died last night. Pole cannot possibly be Mafia if they could have killed last night. If his Mafia couldn't, then we'll see what happens tomorrow. If the DOCTOR dies (his name has been shared with Ginga), Pole is probably guilty and we should lynch him. Now, if Pole turns up guilty, we should then in turn lynch the DOCTOR since it's probable that Pole and the DOCTOR have been working in cahoots on the same team.

The problem with this whole scenario is that we're basing it off too much circumstantial evidence. My vote on Badal stays simply because the vote got redirected off of him to a town investigator who had claimed in public. To me, that sounds strange.
 
LKK's wall of text shall be undermined by past evidence on Badal (glaring PM issues, redirected lynch to town inspector, et cetera).

...which will be undermined, in turn, by the godkill on badal. Based on the rules of Chain Resolution, LKK's wall of text's effect will activate as intended.

Lynch polelover44
 
I can confirm us talking on IRC.

As for all of this, it's just a matter of opinion on who you wish to lynch after both of us stated our finds. I say now, it's better to know every option before you pick one. Both of them have been shown of errors, so it's up to everyone on that one. Though I would love to find more inputs on any errors I might have, as false information is NOT good, and either I had a memory fail, or something was said wrong.

In reality, both are probably mafia.
 
I got this, courtesy of the inspector.

Last night, you made a wild assumption about ginganinja. From this, you have determined his role PM:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Upside
Dear ginganinja,

You are a Jetpack.

Obivously one of the best ideas ever, you've been imagined by countless inventors and children for decades. Finally, with modern technologly, we've been able to invent real, although ineffective, jetpack technolodgy. You decided to join The Needy because you require fuel to operate.

Each night, you may send a PM titled "Night X - Blasting off with <user>" to both Upside and BunnyMaster. You will strap yourself to <user> and will begin to fly off at insanely high speeds. <user>'s priority will be raised to infinity-1. This tends to cause motion sickness, so you may not target the same user twice in a row.

You are allied with The Needy. You win if The Needy eliminate all threats.
I think we have a village leader now.
 
Cheers LifeAdmiral

Guys. I believe some of you wanted proof?

OK nobody died last night which is great. but now I want claims. Seriously guys the village needs to be united. If you have already claimed to me then tell me what your night actions were/results of them. If you have not yet claimed to me then get claiming. I want your claim and what you have done on previous nights. There is no real reason why not to claim now.

EDIT: Guys I cannot believe I have to post this. I know that Mafia is not about trusting anyone but I swear I don't want Villagers Lying to me. I WILL find out if you guys are lying and then you will be Lynched. Don't do it.
 
Reasons on IRC. Trusting ginganinja with this. I even got his god damn role PM. Believe me now, I'll show you after this night that thats my real role- Alliance checker
Lynch polelover44


 
Guys can we stop the band-wagoning please. A target has not yet been decided upon by me and I need to talk to certain parties before a lynch is carried out. again any questions feel free to contact me, I am on IRC most of the time
 
Alright guys, I have gleaned the following from badal:

Upside said:
You are Scar.

You are the main villain in the first Lion King film, in which you had your own Brother, Mufasa, killed by a herd of wildebeest so that you could rule Pride Rock for yourself. You then blamed the death on Simba, Mufasa's son, who then ran away due to shame. You will be doing the same thing to aid your Damned allies in this battle.

At Night, you may send a PM to Upside or BunnyMaster entitled '"Night X - Convince USER that it was all their fault". You will visit USER during the night and convince them that some event that happened in their previous life was entirely their fault, and they will leave the village out of shame. However, they will snap out of it and return at the end of the next night. You may target the same user consecutively.



You win if a member of the Notorious is the last user standing or if nothing can prevent the same. Your allies are listed in another PM.

Sticking with the badal lynch guys.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fat Upside
You are Scar.

You are the main villain in the first Lion King film, in which you had your own Brother, Mufasa, killed by a herd of wildebeest so that you could rule Pride Rock for yourself. You then blamed the death on Simba, Mufasa's son, who then ran away due to shame. You will be doing the same thing to aid your Damned allies in this battle.

At Night, you may send a PM to Upside or BunnyMaster entitled '"Night X - Convince USER that it was all their fault". You will visit USER during the night and convince them that some event that happened in their previous life was entirely their fault, and they will leave the village out of shame. However, they will snap out of it and return at the end of the next night. You may target the same user consecutively.



You win if a member of the Notorious is the last user standing or if nothing can prevent the same. Your allies are listed in another PM.

Just so that pole can't edit it.

I'd like to note that.... it seems awfully similar to something from....

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2868248&postcount=199

Check badal's PM there.

Just like to point that out.

Also, I'd like to note that this PM says "Upside OR BunnyMaster" rather than "Upside AND BunnyMaster"

I"m not making a vote yet, I'm just throwing this out there. I strongly recommend that ginga hurries up and gives us a day target, since at this rate, it looks like a tie.
 
Alright guys, I have gleaned the following from badal:



Sticking with the badal lynch guys.
Now, let's look at this and point out more errors.

Obviously, StevenSnype has a point about it being the same as Badal's role in the other. WAAAY too much the same.

Second, it's sooo obvious he just copied it and changed some words. Look, he even forgot to change the team he was on.

StevenSnype said:
You will be doing the same thing to aid your Damned allies in this battle.

Shouldn't that be "Notorious allies", instead? Obviously, a random curse word instead of actually giving a reason makes no sense.

The next two errors are simple. Steven pointed out one of them about the "And/or" deal. Upside would NEVER do "or", or else BunnyMaster would cast Meteor on Upside... Oh dear, hope he didn't get any idea's.

Second, it's not USER. It's <user>. Another obvious mistake on this.

Now, I can guarantee this is a fake PM. In my log somewhere, Badal said it'd be fake. I'll edit later with it.
 
Which does lead to the question, why would badal claim being mafia to you?

However, I do believe there is more than enough evidence pointing at Badal to lynch him. Therefore:
Lynch badalcristiano
 
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