Best Set made in 2007

Best set made in 2008


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I honestly don't believe it's any specific set, just the fact that the Pokemon are so unpredictable.

I speak of Gengar, Salamence, Garchomp, Infernape, etc.

You think your Cresselia can come in safely on Infernape and then you meet a Choice Banded U-Turn.

Which brings me to CBInfernape is the shit.
 
Jolly CB Infernape U-Turn on max/max Bold Cresselia:

127 HP - 149 HP (28.6% - 33.55%)


Sorry, I had to do that. But something seems wrong with the numbers...
 
I love the "beats unprepared teams" replies. If my team is Luvdisc weak then Luvdisc would sweep me and then Luvdisc could be considered a Pokemon that beats unprepared teams. The question is, how hard is it to prepare for a Pokemon?
That's not always true. If your team is unprepared for, say, Yanmega, you could switch around to stall it with Sandstorm/Life Orb. I could switch to Cresselia to take an Air Slash, then to Skarmory to take Bug Buzz, then to Swampert to take an HP Fire, then back to Sleep Talk Cresselia to take a Hypnosis. By then it has lost 50% + 10% + 6% + 10% + 6% + 10% + 6% + 6%, (thanks to leading SR Hippo) which equals dead dragonfly. If there is something that, without a surefire counter, will almost definitely sweep you, then it is more deadly than the dragonfly was.
 
Yanmega doesn't normally carry HP fire so Skarmory can actually switch into Yanmega pretty safely as long as another pokemon is asleep or the Yanmega doesn't carry hypnosis. Yanmega is dangerous because it can outspeed even scarfers after two speed boosts and can sleep it's counters.

The Assassin Yanmega works incredible.
Air Slash/Bug Buzz/Protect/Hidden Power Ground @Expert Belt/Life Orb/Focus Sash Modest

Save it for late game once Blissey is gone or severely weakened. It has a fast Air Slash so it can get some lucky flinches. HP Ground defeats all of those common Heatrans and the more uncommon Magnezones. This Pokemon is very qualified as a standard regardless of the immense stealth rock weak.

Another pokemon that I had a good amount of success with is SubCalming Mismagius with ShadowBall and HP Fighting. Blissey and Cresselia don't stand a chance without CM.

The Standard Mixed Electivire and Kristy's Floatzel are also pretty good.
 
i would have to vote specsmence, simply because it revolutionized a pokemon who had such a clearly defined niche in adv.
edit: jump reminded me phuquoph's jirachi which also brought a new role to what used to be almost always a cm sg abuser
 
Does Jumpman name everything? Seriously.. xD

to be fair, if you mean what i think you mean i did the exact opposite with floatzel. in the analysis i wrote i could very easily have put the name "FloatzJump" that it was given in Kristy Haruka's latest (of many!) Floatzel thread at the time, but i purposely didn't...same thing with "Jumpmence" (not my doing) as well

anyway my vote would go to mekkah/surgo's Chain Chomp for "best" and Phuquoph's ZH/Wish/U-Turn/Reflect Jirachi for "most innovative"
 
to be fair, if you mean what i think you mean i did the exact opposite with floatzel. in the analysis i wrote i could very easily have put the name "FloatzJump" that it was given in Kristy Haruka's latest (of many!) Floatzel thread at the time, but i purposely didn't...same thing with "Jumpmence" (not my doing) as well

anyway my vote would go to mekkah/surgo's Chain Chomp for "best" and Phuquoph's ZH/Wish/U-Turn/Reflect Jirachi for "most innovative"

WAAAH! I love you Jumpman! :heart: Yeahhh I was obsessed with Floatzel back then and nobody believed that it could be a good pokemon. So... I started posted many many posts and Jumpman found one of my movesets and used it and gave it EVs and stuff and now its awesome. ^.^;
 
WAAAH! I love you Jumpman! :heart: Yeahhh I was obsessed with Floatzel back then and nobody believed that it could be a good pokemon. So... I started posted many many posts and Jumpman found one of my movesets and used it and gave it EVs and stuff and now its awesome. ^.^;

Great turn around
 
Lol. Stallrein. My most popular set... but I don't consider it my best >_> Two that I like better are TogeBliss (who was designed to take out the Bliss/Cresselia wall combo with Nasty Plot, Subsitutes that can stand bolt/beams and Charge Beams from both Blissey and Cresselia, and perfect coverage with Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball, while still walling weaker Sp. Attackers like non-specs Starmie) and Defensive Crobat who can come in on Focus Punches / Seed Bombs from Breloom, taunt away his subs and spore and OHKO with Air Slash.

It doesn't appear like either of those sets got as popular as Stallrein however >_>

Anyway, my nomination for best set would have to be Bulky Gyarados. I'm not sure if it is a 2007 set or not, but that set is so simple, effective and then it combos so easily with Electivire that it ain't funny.
 
Jolly CB Infernape U-Turn on max/max Bold Cresselia:

127 HP - 149 HP (28.6% - 33.55%)


Sorry, I had to do that. But something seems wrong with the numbers...

I get (31.31% - 36.94%). I really don't see that as a "safe" switch in with or without rocks. With rocks, you're taking ~43.31% - 48.94%.

EDIT:

Dragontamer said:
TogeBliss (who was designed to take out the Bliss/Cresselia wall combo with Nasty Plot, Subsitutes that can stand bolt/beams and Charge Beams from both Blissey and Cresselia, and perfect coverage with Aura Sphere and Shadow Ball, while still walling weaker Sp. Attackers like non-specs Starmie)

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252 Modest Starmie T-Bolt / Ice Beam vs 252/252 Calm Togekiss:
33.96% - 39.84%

On the average, 4-hit KO after leftovers.

Spinner Starmie Bolt/Beam vs Togekiss:
27.54% - 32.62%

Which is at worst a 4-hit KO after leftovers, possible 5-hit KO. Note: Nasty Plot ShadowBall OHKOs Starmie.

Standard Cresselia/Bliss Bolt/Beam vs Togekiss:
19.52% - 22.99%

Which doesn't break the sub. Obviously, T-Wave doesn't go through the sub either, but Cresselia is faster than Togekiss (some speed EVs can be dedicated to Togekiss to outrun Cresselia however, to block the T-Wave with Sub).

+1 Cresselia Charge Beam vs Togekiss:
15.78% - 18.45%

+2 Cresselia Charge Beam vs Togekiss:
20.59% - 24.33%

Yeah, you're not breaking the sub Cressy.

ChainChomp DracoMeteor (life orb 252 Sp. Atk):
38.24% - 44.92%

Hello ChainChomp, I wall Draco Meteor, Fire Blast, Earthquake and laugh at your swords dances.

SpecsMence DracoMeteor Hit 1:
59.36% - 69.79%

Hit 2:
30.21% - 35.56%

Hit 1 + 2 with leftovers (6.25% recover from leftovers)
83.32% - 99.1%

Aka: 3-hit KOed by Specsmence Draco Meteor.

Mixape Close Combat (16 Atk EVs + Life Orb):
45.45% - 53.48% (on the average a 3-hit KO with leftovers, possible 2-hit KO)

Nasty Plot Mixape Fire blast:
84.22% - 99.20%

Remember? I said _weaker_ Sp. Attackers >_>

The only thing that walls it is Calm Mind Blissey... it just gets too much sp. def too fast >_> Anyway, togebliss is a "momentum" strategy. It requires you to gain the momentum. Unlike Specsmence or Blissey which recapture the momentum (forces the opponent to switch out), Togebliss is designed (like Walrein) to pounce on a free turn (Softboil, T-Wave on your sub, etc. etc.) and not let go of it.
 
Choice Scarf Togekiss.

I keep getting raped by it, yet I never can get it to work for me. It's still cool, though.
 
MixMence, used it on one of my teams. Brutally rapes any Blissey who thinks she can waddle in with her fat egg and absorb your attacks.

Outrage Lum Berry Dragonite. <_<
 
Uh you can't say BulkyGyara is a set. It's a spread. Honest to god if someone uses the EXACT same set but with say max speed and max attack to attempt to beat Starmie or NonScarf Gengars, then it wouldn't be a BulkyGyara set, cause there's no such thing. It's a BulkyGyara spread. And even then, it's still the exact same standard from ADV, Taunt+Dragon Dance+2 attack moves.
 
Mixape, for general wall breaking
Chain chomp, for being awesome
I have a personal love of rain dance floatzel, but w/e
cbweavile, which has singlehandedly been responsible for a surge in countersashing gengars.
 
I want to say ObiBliss. No, I don't like it when idiots copy a team I already know (as fun as "free win because I know your Pokemon and you're not skilled enough to make your own team" sounds, it's not), but it's so nice for people to have woken up and figured out that Blissey isn't just an AT/Stoss/IceBeam/Softboiled Pokemon, she has such a movepool so that she can adapt perfectly to any team. ObiBliss would just have been chosen as the icon of this.

But Scarfchomp, IMO. As much as it's crazy how something with base 102 speed has to Scarf itself, it's still a somewhat surprising and totally devastating revenge killer.
 
Uh you can't say BulkyGyara is a set. It's a spread. Honest to god if someone uses the EXACT same set but with say max speed and max attack to attempt to beat Starmie or NonScarf Gengars, then it wouldn't be a BulkyGyara set, cause there's no such thing. It's a BulkyGyara spread. And even then, it's still the exact same standard from ADV, Taunt+Dragon Dance+2 attack moves.

on the very slight chance that someone of your evident battling caliber doesn't know this; "set" commonly refers to the entire pokemon, including moves, EVs, IVs, item and ability. what you're trying to argue is 100% semantics
 
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