requiring people to run both primsea grassceus and fc tina seems a bit centralising dont you think?This is pretty untrue as you can still use fur coat, as well as a different weather yourself. Many people are already using primoridial arceus grass againt np groudon.
252+ Atk Choice Band Flower Gift Primal Groudon Land's Wrath vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Fur Coat Giratina in Sun: 147-174 (29.2 - 34.5%)
252+ Atk Choice Band Flower Gift Primal Groudon Land's Wrath vs. 248 HP / 252 Def Fur Coat Giratina in Sun: 161-190 (32 - 37.7%)
Let's at least give these things a chance instead of going for bans right away. If any decision needs to actually be made, it should be the arc clause (which can actually be called the "god clause" heh)
Also though flower gift is one of my favorite abilities, I think we should set a clear demarcation on how far back we should go to get mechanics otherwise theoretically, there is no real reasoning not to go back to gen 1 or 2 for some mechanic either