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I'll be voting ban on nuzzle and I'm interested to see how the council deals with belly drum as a number of players have voiced their opinions on the move. Personally I've been abusing drum for a while now, since BHLT and I wouldn't be opposed to seeing action taken against it, even a quickban following the suspect tests conclusion. Its quite a matchup fish on these balance teams and is very threatening and everyone has bared witness to the effectiveness of the drumspam team that Savage so kindly posted publicly prior to the test. Anyway here's a fun replay of the loss I took https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen8balancedhackmons-1598425586-so4oa9z59xdmeh86j3k6ocj0najmccwpw
I used both pastes city and mamp dropped as well as my own double regen team to get reqs.
I don't like nuzzle, but I don't think it's that splashable, because it doesn't fit on every set and doesn't hit everything in the meta. You are also gambling on the opponent not being able to move, which isn't a guarantee.
This is the team I ran on the ladder. for some reasons, I didn't feel like running triage ray, because of glacial lance being everywhere, and drum spam being too agressive for such a slow set-up. (two turns of nasty plot is not realistically doable lmao)
Maybe Nuzzle wouldn't be as good if you could viably run Ground-types but unfortunately there's two 130+ BP moves running around in the tier hitting Ground-types for free. I'd rather see Glacial Glance and maybe even Fishious Rend banned before NUZZLE LOL. Also Belly Drum is stupid as fuck even if it is manageable you have to dedicate like half your team to cteam Belly Drum spam teams.
I use this team I modified from a reddit thread I found looking up Impostor counterplay. I understand why its needed but it feels very cheap to have a catch-all for 99% of all setup instead of having Prankster Haze or an Unaware mon. I don't mind it since there's a lot of broken bullshit but the fact that said bullshit now has a million HP and 1.5 defenses is kinda stupid.
Inted the last two games because trying to do this in a day actually sucked and from some point a match took almost 20 minutes to find someone
Pretty much neutral about Nuzzle atm because it is one thing for something to be annoying and it's the other for something to be unhealthy. I can see why people want it banned and having to absorb Nuzzle with a PH user that needs a few boosts to actually threaten something sucks.
On the other note surprisingly many people stayed on my Eternatus thinking they can live a hit and retaliate. Draco Meteor on that mon with setup was really something else, like +2 LO draco one shotting gigas etc
Team : https://pokepast.es/dcb55f44d21faec1
(I personally respect cityscapes as one of the best BH players I knew for a long time so I copied their team structure to a large extent)