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Pokémon Blaziken

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Game Freak obviously loved Blaziken too much :(

Thorhammer said:
We didn't carry over non-BST bans when we started Gen 5, and there's no reason to do things differently. Every Pokemon needs a fair shot - I'm sure if you told any Gen 4 player that Mew and Wobbuffet would be UU in Gen 5, they'd laugh at you, but unexpected things can happen.

Do I think Blaziken is likely to end up OU? Nah. But it can't hurt to give him a shot. We've got a perfect chance right now, actually. For the next two months, the only metagame we could justifiably set as standard is 454, which takes a ton of controversial stuff out of the way, including basically all the legends. We don't have much in the way of obvious suspects to look at in the meantime - there's Blaziken, Mega Gengar, and... Yveltal, if we really get bored? It's not the most fair of tests, given how much the metagame will change, but we can get a good idea of if the currently available suspects might actually need a second chance later by looking at them now.
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Speaking about Mega-Gengar, if he's going to be banned, will normal Gengar be kicked upstairs along with his mega-bro? Or just Mega-Gengar/Gengarite will be banned?
 
Five Green said:
Speaking about Mega-Gengar, if he's going to be banned, will normal Gengar be kicked upstairs along with his mega-bro? Or just Mega-Gengar/Gengarite will be banned?
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It would just be Gengarite. Like with Soul Dew, the item has a simple, isolated purpose. It can do nothing other than create Mega Gengar, so if Mega Gengar is broken, there's no reason not to simply ban it rather than banning Gengar.
 
Is it viable to run the first set in the OP but without Swords Dance? I say this because I was thinking that of you use protect on the first turn while you Mega Evolve, getting rid of the 80 base speed on the first turn, and gaining a free speed boost. Also, I think it would be good to also have a coverage move for Azumarill, Lugia and others I have seen on earlier posts of this thread, since you already have a 160 base attack when mega evolved. So is this a good idea, or is there some important reason I've missed for running swords dance? Thank you.
 
RayStrikeAbius said:
Yeah......the way I saw it, the main reason Blaziken was an Uber last Gen was because of Speed Boost, all that other stuff aside.

Not only does he STILL have Speed Boost, but his Mega Evolution makes him even stronger and faster than before. So what about all of the nerfs? M-Blaziken will probably still end up banished to the Uber listings. On the upside, even if he's considered an Uber here, that won't stop me from being able to spam him in the Battle Facilities!

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Don't forget that if Blaziken gets banned, you can still use him in Ubers. Blaziken was already a decent Pokemon in 5th Gen Ubers, and he only got better in 6th Gen. Baton Pass now means that if the opponent brings in a Giratina to wall Blaziken, you can simply pass the Speed Boosts to something else and let that Pokemon go crazy. Mega Blaziken is also a big boon for Blaziken in Ubers. Before, LO Extreme Killer Arceus had a decent shot at OHKOing Blaziken with Extremespeed after Stealth Rock damage, and one turn of Blaziken's Life Orb recoil would finish it off. With the little bit of extra bulk, Arceus can no longer OHKO Mega Blaziken with Extremespeed even after Stealth Rock, and since Mega Blaziken isn't holding the Life Orb, it won't die after killing Arceus with High Jump Kick either.
 
Agent Gibbs said:
Don't forget that if Blaziken gets banned, you can still use him in Ubers. Blaziken was already a decent Pokemon in 5th Gen Ubers, and he only got better in 6th Gen. Baton Pass now means that if the opponent brings in a Giratina to wall Blaziken, you can simply pass the Speed Boosts to something else and let that Pokemon go crazy. Mega Blaziken is also a big boon for Blaziken in Ubers. Before, LO Extreme Killer Arceus had a decent shot at OHKOing Blaziken with Extremespeed after Stealth Rock damage, and one turn of Blaziken's Life Orb recoil would finish it off. With the little bit of extra bulk, Arceus can no longer OHKO Mega Blaziken with Extremespeed even after Stealth Rock, and since Mega Blaziken isn't holding the Life Orb, it won't die after killing Arceus with High Jump Kick either.
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The flaming karate chicken who can go toe-to-toe with God himself..........

.........Game Freak must REALLY love Blaziken.
 
Normal Blaziken was too OP for last gen's OU. If Mega Blaziken isn't kept in Ubers for all time I'm just gonna give up on Competitive Battling forever, because this thing is seriously the only Mega Pokemon (aside from the Mewtwo Megas) that might be more broken than Mega Gengar in the standard metagame. Those offenses, speed boost, STAB moves and raw sweeping power just make it an obvious long-time-Uber right off the bat, IMO.

There is literally only one good check to this outside of Ubers, and that is the mediocre Talonflame thanks to its ability, but that thing can't switch in at all despite resisting its STAB moves due to its poor bulk and mega blaziken's massive power. One reliable check is not enough to keep this out of Ubers.
 
Azumarill resists both of its STABs and can OHKO him with Aqua-Jet (not quite sure unboosted but I sincerly hope so). And we're gonna see a lot of them in OU. Not sure though that it is enough not to ban him in Ubers.
Anyway, I'm still building a team on my console around him because he's cool and people online won't refrain from using it or M-Gengar
 
I don't know about Togekiss. Even a physically defensive Togekiss is OHKO'd by Jolly LO Blaziken's +2 Flare Blitz 75% of the time, and that's the weakest sweeping Blaziken set you're likely to see. Adamant Mega Blaziken always OHKO's, and Adamant LO Blaziken is a bit stronger than that. I guess Togekiss could shut down mono-attack Baton Pass sets with only High Jump Kick, and it can at least take a hit from the mixed set (although Fire Blast still hurts a lot), but it'll fall to the Swords Dance set. A good Flying-type counter will need a secondary type that lets it take Flare Blitz as well as High Jump Kick. Gyarados is a good example of this since Intimidate makes it very bulky on the physical side and it resists both of Blaziken's STABs.
 
rhydreigon said:
Is it viable to run the first set in the OP but without Swords Dance? I say this because I was thinking that of you use protect on the first turn while you Mega Evolve, getting rid of the 80 base speed on the first turn, and gaining a free speed boost. Also, I think it would be good to also have a coverage move for Azumarill, Lugia and others I have seen on earlier posts of this thread, since you already have a 160 base attack when mega evolved. So is this a good idea, or is there some important reason I've missed for running swords dance? Thank you.
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I doube it. Blaziken misses a lot of KOs without swords dance
 
I'm curious. I know that it'd be stupid to run, but what if Blaziken were using the Blaze ability instead of Speed Boost? What tier would he and his Mega-Evo be in then?
 
I think his Mega-Evolution would still be banned. As for using Blaze it would be pointless since Infernape would then outclass Blaziken.

It's so sad. I really love this Pokemon, yet Game Freak keeps making him more and more broken.
 
RayStrikeAbius said:
I'm curious. I know that it'd be stupid to run, but what if Blaziken were using the Blaze ability instead of Speed Boost? What tier would he and his Mega-Evo be in then?
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Mega Blaziken always has Speed Boost, regardless of what ability he had before, so for him at least it's a moot point.
 
BlazingBarrager said:
I think his Mega-Evolution would still be banned. As for using Blaze it would be pointless since Infernape would then outclass Blaziken.

It's so sad. I really love this Pokemon, yet Game Freak keeps making him more and more broken.
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I love this mon too, and he's why I played Ubers last gen. I go where Blaziken goes
 
azumarill must hold a choice band to have a OHKO on blaziken with aqua jet, without it it does 77% max

azumarill is also always 2HKO'd by a +2 HJK unless it runs 252 HP / 252 Def, in which case it can only 2HKO blaziken with choice band aqua jet anyways
 
Mood4food77 said:
azumarill must hold a choice band to have a OHKO on blaziken with aqua jet, without it it does 77% max

azumarill is also always 2HKO'd by a +2 HJK unless it runs 252 HP / 252 Def, in which case it can only 2HKO blaziken with choice band aqua jet anyways
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If an Azumarill is on the opposing team, nine times out of ten it will be holding a Choice Band. It's silly to assume it wouldn't.

Belly Drum Azumarill might not OHKO, but it can survive a hit, and can get off 2 Aqua Jets anyway.
 
Because it's Hidden Ability is so much better. Not only that, but Blaziken doesn't have the defenses to tank a hit so that Blaze will activate anyway.
 
Except that Blaziken can carry Protect allowing it to get a boost and not get hit. Unless you predict perfectly and have a Pokemon that can phase through protect, Blaziken is guaranteed a Speed Boost.
 
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