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Blissey (EV Spread Discussion)

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Same here is there anything important that Blissey even needs calm for ?

The main argument for Calm is not "It avoids the 2HKO from sweeper XYZ", as while there are some Pokemon that close / far from it, that isn't common enough to justify based on those grounds. In stall scenarios, though, Blissey often lacks exactly 100% HP, so making calculations and building a team around just avoiding clean 2HKOs assumes ideal conditions which rarely happen in battles, especially on a stall team. So while a Bold Blissey may take 40% average from a Choice locked move and avoid the 2HKO that way, when you factor in that in real battles you may only be able to keep your Blissey at 90-80% because you took a random Surf, etc, that 40% becomes a lot more threatening, so you want to lower your damage from the attacks you want to wall as much as is realistic and efficient while still maintaining adequate survivability "in a pinch".

For most scenarios, including most offensive or balanced teams, Bold is the better option because Blissey isn't backed up by 5 other walls and may need to deal with Salamence or Scizor in a pinch situation. Also, Blissey comes in less often on these teams, so it's more likely to be at 100% and thus can deal with threats more safely. In stal, battles are drawn out and switches are more frequent, so Blissey is less likely to be at 100% and more likely to take extreme Special hits that it is designed for.

I also think the instant healing of Softboiled facilitates 252/252/4 Bold more, and Wish is more facilitative of 4/252/252 Bold.
 
Okay CiM, if you want to do a writeup of the benefits of each different spread, can you please do it so that it fits in the "Optional Changes" section? I figure most of the spreads would be viable for different sets, so that would be the best place to put this.
 
Okay CiM, if you want to do a writeup of the benefits of each different spread, can you please do it so that it fits in the "Optional Changes" section? I figure most of the spreads would be viable for different sets, so that would be the best place to put this.
Just talked about this with Philip, I also think OC would be the appropriated place for mentioning this.
 
I find that an EV spread of 24/252/232 is definatly the best. 5 spdef points aren't going to change much and getting a leftovers number can be pretty crucial at times.
 
Just posting to say that 4hp 252def 252spdef bold gives slightly worse defenses than 252hp 252def 4spdef calm on both sides, meaning that that particular spread should certainly not be mentioned on site, unless it is somehow better due to rounding issues.

I have no idea if 252hp 252spdef calm is the best spread for Blissey, and as said previously, it depends somewhat on the team and on personal preference.
 
Just posting to say that 4hp 252def 252spdef bold gives slightly worse defenses than 252hp 252def 4spdef calm on both sides, meaning that that particular spread should certainly not be mentioned on site, unless it is somehow better due to rounding issues.

I have no idea if 252hp 252spdef calm is the best spread for Blissey, and as said previously, it depends somewhat on the team and on personal preference.
Your post sounds as if you read the discussion that's in the first page of this thread concerning the different available spreads for Blissey. So I don't understand that certainty that you applied to what I underlined in this the quote. Bold 4 HP / 252 Def has indeed a huge utility, and we explained that before.

@Chris is me: please answer what I asked in my previous post.
 
Your post sounds as if you read the discussion that's in the first page of this thread concerning the different available spreads for Blissey. So I don't understand that certainty that you applied to what I underlined in this the quote. Bold 4 HP / 252 Def has indeed a huge utility, and we explained that before.

The spread 4hp 252def 252spdef bold has been mentioned several times, including by very notable QC members, and on both pages. The spread gives worse defenses on both sides than 252hp 252def 4spdef calm, so unless I am really missing something, I can say with conviction that the aforementioned bold spread should not be mentioned on site (because if anything the calm spread should be used in its place). I do not wish to weigh in on the effectiveness of the aforementioned calm spread, for although it is certainly not outclassed in any way, I have never used it.

Edit - I have read the entire thread and see no reason why the aforementioned bold spread is in any respect better than the aforementioned calm spread (the only advantage I can see is that it gives the opponent reduced leech seed and pain split recovery). Much like in the Vaporeon analysis, you fail to understand that although it is usually subjective, sometimes one spread is objectively better than another, and does not require any testing to show that it is so.
 
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