Bounsweet, Steenee, Tsareena Discussion

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Bounsweet
Grass
Abilities: Leaf Guard / Oblivious / Sweet Veil
HP: 42
Atk: 30
Def: 28
SpAtk: 30
SpDef: 38
Spe: 32

Level Up

L1 - Splash
L5 - Play Nice
L9 - Rapid Spin
L13 - Razor Leaf
L17 - Sweet Scent
L21 - Magical Leaf
L25 - Teeter Dance
L29 - Flail
L33 - Aromatic Mist

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - Solar Beam
TM27 - Return
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM48 - Round
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM86 - Grass Knot
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM96 - Nature Power
TM99 - Dazzling Gleam
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Grass Whistle
Egg - Synthesis
Egg - Play Rough
Egg - Feint
Egg - Charm
Egg - Acupressure

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Stenee
Grass
Abilities: Leaf Guard / Oblivious / Sweet Veil
HP: 52
Atk: 40
Def: 48
SpAtk: 40
SpDef: 48
Spe: 62

Level Up

L0 - Double Slap
L1 - Double Slap
L1 - Splash
L1 - Play Nice
L1 - Rapid Spin
L1- Razor Leaf
L5 - Play Nice
L9 - Rapid Spin
L13 - Razor Leaf
L17 - Sweet Scent
L21 - Magical Leaf
L25 - Teeter Dance
L29 - Stomp
L33 - Aromatic Mist
L37 - Captivate
L41 - Aromatherapy
L45 - Leaf Storm

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - Solar Beam
TM27 - Return
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM47 - Low Sweep
TM48 - Round
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM56 - Fling
TM66 - Payback
TM86 - Grass Knot
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM90 - Substitute
TM96 - Nature Power
TM99 - Dazzling Gleam
TM100 - Confide

Egg moves

Egg - Grass Whistle
Egg - Synthesis
Egg - Play Rough
Egg - Feint
Egg - Charm
Egg - Acupressure

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Tsareena
Grass
Abilities: Leaf Guard / Queenly Majesty / Sweet Veil
HP: 72
Atk: 120
Def: 98
SpAtk: 50
SpDef: 98
Spe: 72

Level Up

L0 - Trop Kick
L1 - Trop Kick
L1 - Double Slap
L1 - Splash
L1 - Swagger
L1 - Rapid Spin
L1 - Razor Leaf
L5 - Swagger
L9 - Rapid Spin
L13 - Razor Leaf
L17 - Sweet Scent
L21 - Magical Leaf
L25 - Teeter Dance
L29 - Stomp
L33 - Aromatic Mist
L37 - Captivate
L41 - Aromatherapy
L45 - Leaf Storm
L49 - High Jump Kic

TMs

TM06 - Toxic
TM10 - Hidden Power
TM11 - Sunny Day
TM16 - Light Screen
TM17 - Protect
TM20 - Safeguard
TM21 - Frustration
TM22 - Solar Beam
TM27 - Return
TM32 - Double Team
TM33 - Reflect
TM42 - Facade
TM44 - Rest
TM45 - Attract
TM47 - Low Sweep
TM48 - Round
TM53 - Energy Ball
TM56 - Fling
TM62 - Acrobatics
TM66 - Payback
TM68 - Giga Impact
TM86 - Grass Knot
TM87 - Swagger
TM88 - Sleep Talk
TM89 - U-turn
TM90 - Substitute
TM96 - Nature Power
TM99 - Dazzling Gleam
TM100 - Confide
Egg moves

Egg - Grass Whistle
Egg - Synthesis
Egg - Play Rough
Egg - Feint
Egg - Charm
Egg - Acupressure
New Ability

Queenly Majesty: Its majesty pressures the opposing Pokémon, making it unable to attack using priority moves.
New Move:

Trop Kick: The user lands an intense kick of tropical origins on the target, This also lowers the target's Attack stat. 100% accuracy [Grass] 70 BP, Physical.
 
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That's....not bad at all. Fairly bulky, 120 Atk isn't bad at all.

High Jump kick to hit Steel types, U-Turn to pivot (and you're fairly slow, but SlowTurn is good too), Trop Kick as good STAB, and...Rapid Spin can be nice in the last slot.
 
I'm surprised it's that strong physically. I was imagining around 95 in physical attack.
But I also imagined 95 in speed.

72 is in the middle of nowhere. Not fast outside TR, not slow enough for inside TR neither.

I think its main selling point is the Queenly Majesty ability.
 
Queenly Majesty allows this thing to avoid priority Brave Bird, Ice Shard, Sucker Punch and Mach Punch (the latter two are not super effective on this Grass type, but still hurts).

Not bad stat distribution; at least is faster than other base 70s i.e. Bisharp. Trop(ical) Kick, Facade, HJK + filler seems the way to run Tsareena in UU. Queenly Majesty isn't enough to make it OU material.
It is quite bulky (numerically) as an attacker, though. I'm quite impressed.
 
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It gets Rapid Spin, U-Turn, Reflect, Light Screen, Synthesis, and Aromatherapy. That's a ton of good utility combined with coverage between: Trop Kick, Play Rough, and High-Jump Kick. It would really appreciate something like Knock Off or Stone Edge, but honestly, I think it will have niche uses in OU and A TON of uses in VGC!
 
i like than,120 base attack is good,and with physical grass STAB,this thing can cause some trouble
 
nameless90 said:
Queenly Majesty allows this thing to avoid priority Brave Bird, Ice Shard, Sucker Punch and Mach Punch (the latter two are not super effective on this Grass type, but still hurts).

Not bad stat distribution; at least is faster than other base 70s i.e. Bisharp. Trop(ical) Kick, Facade, HJK + filler seems the way to in UU. Queenly Majesty isn't enough to make it OU material.
It is quite bulky (numerically) as an attacker, though. I'm quite impressed.
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Talonflame still outspeeds Tsareena by quite a lot, so while it won't be able to hit it with Brave Bird (or rather, Acrobatics, given the Gale Wings nerf), it can still hit her with a Fire attack.
 
DrPumpkinz said:
Talonflame still outspeeds Tsareena by quite a lot, so while it won't be able to hit it with Brave Bird (or rather, Acrobatics, given the Gale Wings nerf), it can still hit her with a Fire attack.
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Just curious, why does the Gale Wings nerf mean that Brave Bird will be less common? The nerf affects Acrobatics too. Am I missing something?
 
Wait, I wonder, does Amaajou/Tsareena's Queenly Majesty affect every priority move or just targeted attacks? I imagine she will be a huge problem in Battle Tower facility if it does.
 
I'm disappointed by its low Speed, but its a lot bulkier than I expected. Still, Trop Kick only has 70 BP and it has no better options. :/
 
Kristy Haruka said:
I'm disappointed by its low Speed, but its a lot bulkier than I expected. Still, Trop Kick only has 70 BP and it has no better options. :/
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70 is not terrible, plus it always lowers attack, which thanks to her decent bulk is not bad at all. Would leaf blade be nicer? maybe. But gonna enjoy trop kick.
 
I honestly expected at least Petal Blizzard. I'm still gonna use it though. Its ability is way too good and it has a lot of good phys. options + self recovery.
 
Quick question; do we know if Queenly Majesty blocks all priority moves, even stuff like Protect and Counter? Or, does it just protect against moves like Aqua Jet?
 
CommandThrower said:
Quick question; do we know if Queenly Majesty blocks all priority moves, even stuff like Protect and Counter? Or, does it just protect against moves like Aqua Jet?
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The ability reads : "Its majesty pressures the opposing Pokémon, making it unable to attack using priority moves."
 
Kristy Haruka said:
I honestly expected at least Petal Blizzard. I'm still gonna use it though. Its ability is way too good and it has a lot of good phys. options + self recovery.
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Yeah I forgot about Petal Blizzard. That would have been nice, but I think Gamefreak didn't want to make the mistake of having a pokemons signiture move be totally outclassed by another move. This generation seems to be having a lot of pokemon fitting that.

I missed it got Synthesis. Thats great. I am thinking a set like:

Trop Kick
Play Rough
Synthesis
High Jump Kick

I kinda wish I could know the breeding chains, so that I can know if I can even get any of these move combos know, or if I need to wait to pre-bank, which would kinda suck for me getting attached to these pokemon in my initial run of the game
 
Does this Pokemon have utility as a Bulky Spinner at all? I wish it got Knock Off or Blaze Kick or something. Holding out for really good move tutors at a later point.
 
I knew my girl Tsareena would come through as a majestic queenly beast!

Ok, so we have decent bulk, a middling Speed stat that will prove advantageous against other bulky Mons more than anything, awesome Attack, and access to:

- High Jump Kick
- Acrobatics
- U-Turn
- Play Rough
- Low Sweep
- Rapid Spin
- Aromatherapy
- Synthesis
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Aromatic Mist (not the best, but decent for Doubles)
- Z-Splash

I. Love. It.
 
Cipher Admin Lovrina said:
Does this Pokemon have utility as a Bulky Spinner at all? I wish it got Knock Off or Blaze Kick or something. Holding out for really good move tutors at a later point.
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The 72/98/98 bulk of Tsareena is higher than the 70/100/90 bulk of Dhelmise, which does not get Synthesis.

So if you want a bulky Grass spinner with Recovery, Tsareena is the better choice, but if you want a bulky Grass spinner that also acts as a spinblocker and has better STABs, use Dhelmise.
 
Durengardnit said:
The 72/98/98 bulk of Tsareena is higher than the 70/100/90 bulk of Dhelmise, which does not get Synthesis.

So if you want a bulky Grass spinner with Recovery, Tsareena is the better choice, but if you want a bulky Grass spinner that also acts as a spinblocker and has better STABs, use Dhelmise.
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With Trop kick she is basically bulkier on the physical side thanks to 100% attack lowering, and then she just heals off the damage. a Psudo wall on the physical side after a trop kick or 2

jackgraves said:
I knew my girl Tsareena would come through as a majestic queenly beast!

Ok, so we have decent bulk, a middling Speed stat that will prove advantageous against other bulky Mons more than anything, awesome Attack, and access to:

- High Jump Kick
- Acrobatics
- U-Turn
- Play Rough
- Low Sweep
- Rapid Spin
- Aromatherapy
- Synthesis
- Reflect
- Light Screen
- Aromatic Mist (not the best, but decent for Doubles)
- Z-Splash

I. Love. It.
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She does get a lot of choices. Its hard to choose what 2 moves to bring with Trop kick and Synthesis. Aromatherapy also can be used over Synthesis if one wants a slightly more supporty set.
 
So what EVs are we theorizing on this Tsar right now? It looks like Synthesis is a must have on Tsareena which gives it a reliable recovery that it's competitor Dhelmise lacks.
 
AzureRaptor said:
So what EVs are we theorizing on this Tsar right now? It looks like Synthesis is a must have on Tsareena which gives it a reliable recovery that it's competitor Dhelmise lacks.
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I don't know. I mean, Max Speed Adamant /Jolly would be great for dealing with Bisharp and Breloom, but heavy HP investment is so tempting because of its bulk. I think that heavy/max Attack is a safe bet either way, though.
 
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