https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ttK1EPd7gKltKcW_W7EAG-tfFGj8PXVH7rtSXXJy5is
On one hand, Gliscor won't be nearly as oppressive if Hidden Power comes back
There is a great post by chlo about what Pokémon gained at the beginning of the thread, but I found little content about what we "lost" in terms of competitive elements. I took the learnsets masterpaste, a list of all the OU/UUBL/UU Pokémon with their most used moves in competitive and Ctrl+F'd as much as I could to see what was missing. That's a decent lot, but I suppose (hope) Home compatibility means that most of those will return in early 2022 as long as they are coded into the game (with in italic those who are not, from a sheet Anubis put together).
Trick
Knock Off, Psyshock
Thunder Punch, Knock Off, High Jump Kick
Teleport
Teleport
Soft-Boiled, Knock Off, Seismic Toss, Psyshock, Teleport
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Dual Wingbeat, Scale Shot, Ice Punch
Fire Fang, Scale Shot
Sludge Wave
Bounce, Power Whip
Heavy Slam
Toxic
Iron Head, Stored Power, Trick, Heart Stamp, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Aura Sphere
Trick, Mystical Fire, Future Sight, Psyshock, Aura Sphere
Trick, Mystical Fire, Future Sight, Psyshock, Aura Sphere
Superpower, Knock Off, Endeavor
Toxic, Mystical Fire, Overheat
Superpower
Weather Ball
Toxic, Ice Punch, Fire Punch, Heat Crash
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Defog, Pain Split, Toxic (could not find any information about Hydro Pump, Overheat and other form-exclusive coverage moves. They are not listed in the learnsets, but maybe that's just due to it learning them as it changes forms?)
Dual Wingbeat, Hurricane
Knock Off, Superpower, Bug Bite
Body Press
Psyshock, Toxic, Teleport
Psyshock, Toxic, Teleport, Dragon Tail
Flip Turn, Toxic, Ice Punch
Toxic, Synthesis
Toxic, Toxic Spikes
Superpower, Toxic (Pursuit still dead :[)
Knock Off, Triple Axel, Low Kick
Hurricane, Weather Ball, Heat Wave
Feel free to leave a message on my profile if I made any mistake or overlooked something relevant. That's my first time doing that kind of research and I spended the last two hours and half browsing through pieces of data, so it's likely there is room for improvement in that regard u.u. As a side note, a quick glance at the items image seems to show that a lot of held items post-4G are missing, like the Boots, the Eviolite, the Assault Vest, the Weakness Policy, the Air Balloon, the Rocky Helmet and a couple others, so even more changes in perspective. Cheers!
Man...you can really tell the player models were never meant to have a lot of expressions and animations huh.
"I lost :)"
In the classic games, I believe that you can save in front of a Honey Tree, and when you soft reset, only the species is set, meaning that you can just keep resetting a Combee until it’s female. I have no idea if that works in these remakes though.
Is that after it leaps on you and slashes your face to ribbons?
What's this?? you dont even need a mon to beat this, i can kill it with a punch to the face
This, this a monster that deserves knock off, hyper beam, black hole eclipse, earthquake, hydropump, fire blast, overgrowing thunder and ultra impact.
... Just want to say, I completely believe you, which is why I'm mad.
It really was a strange way to go about it. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the terrain itself is still programmed in these games and functions just fine if someone were to, say, hack Psychic Surge onto a Pokemon. I'm pretty sure Sword/Shield actually have every single ability ever used programmed into the PC's search function and many, if not all of them, are fully functional if hacked onto things.
Wait, what? Why are we talking about Volcarona? The moth isn't in BDSP, and Hidden Power isn't in SWSH. There should be no intersection.
Tbf this one isn’t so much on Game Freak
And in Altaria's case, it is actually one of the handful pokémon that had its level-up learnset updated from SwSh, with Hurricane added as a level 1 move. So it is not even a case of a move being lost because of a strict copypaste from SwSh learnsets.
Not quite.
What?!? Oh my god, Dragon Dance was part of Altaria's moveset since gen 3! I suppose next you're gonna tell me that Palkia doesn't get Hydro Pump anymore because it was a TR in SWSH!
Oh, please. Palkia didn't pick up Hydro Pump until HGSS. A real Sinnoh Palkia makes do with Surf or Brine. It just wouldn't be the same if-
This is what I meant earlier by "SWSH inconcsistently removing moves that became TM/TR"Oh, please. Palkia didn't pick up Hydro Pump until HGSS. A real Sinnoh Palkia makes do with Surf or Brine. It just wouldn't be the same if-
...Fine. You're in luck. HPump Palkia is in.
