Burning Qurans?

Aqueos

This thread is staying open, though what is below does not have much to do with what were discussing right now.

Old news no qurans have been burned.
The quran burning has been canceled, buy it may be brought back.
Recently a priest announced that on 9/11 he would be burning qurans sent in to him by people from around the united states to protest the mosque going up near (see firestorms map below for how near) the world trade center's site. You can simply discuss what you think, but here are some questions if you need a prompt. The government cannot legally stop him.
What do you think of this guy's actions?
Is there anything we can do to stop him from doing this? Can we stop him?
What will be the impact on our relations with mostly Muslim countries? Will terrorist organizations try to use this as leverage?

NOTE EXTREMELY OLD NEWS AND NONE OF THE ABOVE HAPPENED.


My opinions
This guy has got to be insane. If you wanted a religous uproar he sure got one.
Not really. The guy has been begged and pleaded by thousands of people to not do it and he refuses.
Relations will run high in Iraq and afghanistan. Riots and flagburnings, along with a propaganda war with the taliban will result.
 
Here's my 2 cents:

This guy honestly is using his free speech in order to portray his opinion. The only problem, is that he is trying to gain attention by doing so. Although one thing for sure is that in Muslim nations, being a Christian isn't the easiest things, especially when you can get persecuted, just for your faith. Now, I'm not saying that this justifies this priest's actions, but it certainly goes to show you that it's not like he can't really do it. I'd have to say that we'll just have to tolerate this guy, just like many Christians have to tolerate the building of the Muslim church in New York.

Anyways, that's my logic. No need to stop him, rather we should use this as an example of what America DOES NOT stand for.

Also: I think that some Muslim countries may get pissed at this. But there are holy books in other nations that get burned, so what's the big fuss...
 
I should rephrase that question. Though the taliban are really going to take advantage of this as they could use video footage out of context.
 
I'd have to say that we'll just have to tolerate this guy, just like many Christians have to tolerate the building of the Muslim church in New York.
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This is not in any way relatable to this. There's nothing to tolerate there. The one's who oppose it are just batshit insane, just like this dipshit. Of course, there's nothing you can do about it. I don't believe a single person on Smogon supports this action - not even our more extremist members who I argue against in most topics. Same goes for the mosque. I highly doubt anyone on Smogon opposes anything replacing the Burlington Coat Factory - especially something as positive as a community centre.
 
as a muslim myself, i think that this would result in WW3. he is bat shit crazy to burn the Qurans; that would result in protests turned into riots, Afghanistan and Iraq and probably the entire Arabian peninsula would go to war with America and Israel.

actually, he shouldn't be called a baptist, because in all religions, they call to tolerate other religions and have sane, mature, calm discussions about each others religion.

free speech should have some fucking limits over it. like say, you can't insult other religions, for one. think of what could have happened if they had drawn the line there. the world would be a more peaceful place, imo.

now i bet some of you are gonna say "well we don't follow them, why respect them?". why not respect them? sure, some of them are insane, but you can't tell a book by its cover. there are plenty of calm Muslims everywhere you go. they don't say "DEATH TO AMERICA!", half of them would DIE to go there. plus, would you respect me if i drew a cartoon about your religion (assuming a religious person will read, which are rare on smogon :/)? would you respect me if i insulted something close to you, something that you have lived by all your life?

i bet he would do the same thing to us if we decided to burn the bible. actually, don't look at us you old fart, look at Marlyn Manson, he's torn bibles at some of his concerts, and the church just goes "meh." (please correct me if i'm wrong!)

but, i think that the idea of building a mosque at the site of 9-11 is just a huge motherfucking troll in the first place.

@Acklow: give me one example of a Christian being persecuted because of his faith. an article, anything. all i know is that here in jordan, none of that has happened.
 
Firestorm It has to do with my "Can we stop him question" As in we can not. But yeah seriously there isn't much to tolerate. I edited in the can we stop him after he posted to clean things up.
 
but, i think that the idea of building a mosque at the site of 9-11 is just a huge motherfucking troll in the first place.
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Well, if that is ever proposed we'll discuss it even though I'd still disagree with you.
 
@Adm. Empoleon: I'm no eloquent speaker, but this Atheist who wrote up this article surely describes some of what I have been talking about.

Here's the article: "Christians-The Most Persecuted People Group on Earth"

You don't need to agree with what he says, you don't need to agree with me. I already posted my opinion (I prefer to respond to what the OP says, words said once is good enough).

Also: I have no fight to fare with anybody of any religion, be it Muslim, Christian, Jew, w/e (because all religions have been ridiculed, persecuted, etc. anyways).
 
Acklow, I think I missed some of your post last time. If you are using what happens in countries like Saudi Arabia as justification for actions in the United States of America, I think there is a definite problem.
 
Acklow said:
I'd have to say that we'll just have to tolerate this guy, just like many Christians have to tolerate the building of the Muslim church in New York.
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How does the proposed community center directly insult Christianity? Incidentally, the plans include Jewish and Christian prayer areas:
At Cordoba House, we envision shared space for community activities, like a swimming pool, classrooms and a play space for children. There will be separate prayer spaces for Muslims, Christians, Jews and men and women of other faiths. The center will also include a multifaith memorial dedicated to victims of the Sept. 11 attacks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/08/opinion/08mosque.html?_r=1&src=tptw
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Adm. Empoleon said:
as a muslim myself, i think that this would result in WW3. he is bat shit crazy to burn the Qurans; that would result in protests turned into riots, Afghanistan and Iraq and probably the entire Arabian peninsula would go to war with America and Israel.
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What?
 
The main big fuss here acklow is that we are the USA. Not some country were religous descrimination runs free. Other countries probably won't care too much until misguided people start trying to kill christians and burn down U.S. embassies (actually as a result of this there will be a higher guard for U.S. embassies on 9/11.) That is one heck of a revised plan. But if it includes a memorial all my "morally this doesn't make sence towards the mosque" faded, as the only other thing to put there would be a memorial.
 
Luduan said:
What?
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I believe he's referring to the possibility of extremist groups using footage of the event to paint all of the US as declaring war on Islam. Seeing as the populace of the middle east is filled with people just as stupid as the people in the US, it would be a pretty good propaganda tool.
 
I am a Baptist (atleast, that's the denomination of the church I attend), and I think this guy is a fucktard. It's totally unethical, pointless, and the only thing it's going to do is stir up bad feelings. Christians need to get with the fact that 90% of Muslims are peaceful and don't slander and blow shit up. While not in the same level as a "jihad" / chopping people's heads off, hell yeah this is gonna get a response from the Taliban.

To be honest, what did the contractors and the owners think was going to happen when they brought out plans to build a mosque, of all things, smack dab next to the WTC. You can't tell me it didn't cross their minds once, "oh, hey, look how close we are, and think of all the crazy ass Americans who will get angry". I'm by no means saying mosques can't be built in New York City, or anywhere, but I do think they lacked tact when picking a building spot.

Luduan, those things are lovely, and I applaud the center for being open to all religions, but you know some Americans are stupid enough to be totally blinded by the word "mosque" and ignore all the good things that a community center can bring.
 
Helix said:
To be honest, what did the contractors and the owners think was going to happen when they brought out plans to build a mosque, of all things, smack dab next to the WTC. You can't tell me it didn't cross their minds once, "oh, hey, look how close we are, and think of all the crazy ass Americans who will get angry". I'm by no means saying mosques can't be built in New York City, or anywhere, but I do think they lacked tact when picking a building spot.
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What? How far away do people need? If it weren't for your absolutely terrible media looking for sensationalist headlines to get more eyes on their worthless "news" stories, we wouldn't even have this controversy.
 
Oh, wow, I thought I saw a map that put it much closer. My mistake. That's plenty removed.. But again, people will be blinded by the fact it's a mosque. It could be twenty streets away and they'd still find some way to complain about it.
 
If a whole religion starts an uproar because one person does something bad, the whole world's fucked. This is stupid.
 
LOL ok I'm editing my first post to reflect this new news. Mike b, the taliban can use this as propaganda. Think about it even if one person does it the taliban can use the lack of media in afghanistan and tension to cause huge riots, and no not all muslims are going to be throwing a fit. Your muslim neighbor who lives nearby is not going to be running round screaming "JIHAD" at the top of their lungs.
 
Helix said:
Oh, wow, I thought I saw a map that put it much closer. My mistake.
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Well, honestly it's your media's fault. Instead of reporting the events as they are, they bend words to get more viewers / readers and as a result, more advertising revenue. Some think that profit is a good indication of news quality. I'd say this is a good example of why that isn't the case.

Here's another map I found:

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No matter how you look at it, it's two blocks away taking the place of a coat store.
 
Wow talk about the media hyping it up. Really this shows how easily the taliban could spark riots. This makes me realize how gullible society is.
 
This wouldn't be the first time some extremist baptist church has burned the Quran. Just look at Westboro Baptist church, pretty much the most infamous church group/family out there.

Quite frankly, this doesn't really bother me. Sure, I disagree with what he's doing, but so what? It's not like it's THE Quran, just like there isn't a "the" Bible. There's many copies of it. It's stupid that he's doing it, and no one should take him seriously, not even those who are Muslim. However, Muslim extremists probably would take it bad, but damn they're already at our throats anyways.

This will not start WW3. This has been done before. The public should ignore him. done.

On the other note, I really don't see the problem of building a mosque near the World Trade Center area. Just because there is a Muslim extremist group that's a tiny fraction of a worldwide religion, we have to stick our ignorant heads in and protest. I hope to god that a large portion of the public isn't against it.
 
BuddyBlueBomber said:
Quite frankly, this doesn't really bother me. Sure, I disagree with what he's doing, but so what? It's not like it's THE Quran, just like there isn't a "the" Bible. There's many copies of it. It's stupid that he's doing it, and no one should take him seriously, not even those who are Muslim. However, Muslim extremists probably would take it bad, but damn they're already at our throats anyways.
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While I'm sure all american muslims are smart enough to relativize and figure out, especially under this heavy media coverage that this group is hardly representative of most americans, they will still likely all be pretty pissed off if they ever go through with it. The symbol is strong, not only the "extremists" will be affected.

There should be limits to this holy concept of free speech and such public demonstrations should simply be illegal.
 
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