Cacturne hiding in the sands and ready to kill you. And your friends.

MrJoker

Not my best team but pretty fun to use.

Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Superpower
- Crunch

Tyranintar is a great lead due to the popularity of Zirashi and Azelf leads , sweeping from the start of the game is simply great. I don't like Stone edge accuracy so i am using superpower instead. It also supplies the team with sadstorm from the start. Sinse this is a stall team mostly and most have ways to heal themselfs and others this is of a great assistance to the team. Especially Cacturne who has Sand veil and it becomes harder to hit under the sand.

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Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Thunder Wave
- Aura Sphere

Paraflinch togekiss. Combos nicely with Tar , and gives an opportunity to the star of the team cacturne to come out and set up.

Thunder wave is just a great move to use paralyzing most that come and surviving due to Togekiss ability to take hits paralyse , and recover the damage.

I thought about using encore on it but there is simply no space.

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Blissey (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 180 HP/252 Def/60 SAtk/18 SDef
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Toxic
- Wish
- Protect
- Flamethrower

Another "standart set" . This time the status i inflict is toxic. The sandstorm combined with the toxic and the ability of Blissey to wish and protect allow it to stall it's way out of trouble. While it also combos well with wish-protect vaporeon and with cacturne using substitute under the sand while being healed by wishes.

Flamethrower is for steels and ghosts.

And as always a great special wall that can also stall physical threads.

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Yanmega (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Bug Buzz
- Hypnosis
- Roost

Like most members of this team it can inflict a status. I also needed a fast sweeper and this one can do both. Gives Cacturne another potential opportunity to come.

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Cacturne (M) @ BlackGlasses
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
- Seed Bomb
- Sucker Punch

The star of this team ! The Alpha and the Omega ! The light and the darkness ! (i know this is a bit annoying but i can't stress how important he is). When the opportunity arises due to the actions of the rest of my team , he can come up and use substitute , and due to the sand veil there is only an 80% if i am not wrong for 100% chance attakcs to hit him. It's pretty easy for him to also get a Swords dance or two. Then it is time for succer punch or seed bomb , and of course prediction skill comes into play.

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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/252 Def/68 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Protect
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Wish passer. Staller. Helps against Gyarados ,dragons ,swamperts and friends , and combos well with toxic using Blissey.
Also very usefall at countering physical threads , and even stalling against Special based sweepers.

Sinse this is a stall team based on using status moves , stalling , and then using cacturne to sweep the rest of their team , the strategy does not change much regarding what the other team uses. It's easy to see who is better for each situation most times but i think this team could improve a lot. Yanma may be the weakest link as it dies far to easily before it can do much. Maybe i could replace it with another sweeper ?

And sometimes it seems that the team lacks offense. However other times it stalls with extreme efficiency.
 
Is it yanma, or yanmega? Eh :(

Anyways, why would you use blackglasses over something like Expert Belt , or even Life orb?

Vaporeon does absoultely nothing to Gyarados without Hp electric, who could set up on you and destroy your whole team after one or two Dragon dances.

Your togekiss sin't carrying an item? This is madness! ive him leftovers for a stalemate when he gets hit by sandstorm.

Great team, could use a little touching up, but nice overall.
 
How stupid of me . I was using Yanma all along... Anyway this is the first time ever i was going to use Yanmega on my team and instead i used yanma... Anyway i will fix this now. lol. The same with leftorvers. I guess i forgot to add it how careless of me.

As for vaporeon it is meant to come agaisnt dos after gyarados has been cripled or weakened take a hit or two , stall or finish him with one or two ice beam. It does this quite well. Even if the dos has already used DD.

Anyways, why would you use blackglasses over something like Expert Belt , or even Life orb?
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since the move i mostly use if succer punch i think it is better to use blackglasses than life orb since Cacturne loses 10% of it's HP when using life orb and it attacks. Since it uses substitute on the sand , it get's on low HP points very often , there , using orb would be disastrous. I think so. I don't know about expert belt do you think it is really a better choice than blackglasses ?

Thanks for all of your suggestions !
 
lol, it's alright. This is why you put RMT ;D

With the whole Gyarados thing, I still think that you should use HP electric, this way you have a reliable counter to it.
 
If you can use brightpowder on Cacturne, you could up the chance of a miss even more, or use leftovers for more substitutes. Focus Punch is also an option over Seed Bomb if you are very confident in your prediction skills
You also say Tyranitar is good for Zirashi leads (I'm assuming you mean Jirachi), but Scarf Jirachi will kill your lead with Iron Head because it flinches 60% of the time with Serene Grace.
Blissey seems a little random as this doesn't resemble pure stall. Togekiss has solid special defense (especially with those ev's) and tyranitar gets a 1.5x boost to special defense in sandstorm, so blissey is unneeded. Seeing as you have no team member that wants a choice item tricked onto them, I suggest Scarftran over blissey. While bog-standard, heatran gives valuable resistances and a guy you can bring in to combat trick-scarf. It also gives you a solid revenge killer. It also helps that heatran is immune to sandstorm damage.

Heatran @ Choice Scarf
Flash Fire
Ev's: 252 Sp. Attack/252 Speed/6 Attack
Naive Nature (+Speed,- Sp. Defense)
Flamethrower
Hp Ice
Earth Power
Explosion

The only reason to use dragon pulse over hp ice is if your not on shoddy or are paranoid about kingdra.

Good Luck with your team.
 
The thing about Cacturne is that you'll be behind a substitute more often than not. That makes Sucker Punch and Focus Punch basically sure hits. With my experience, Brightpowder is the best hold item. That extra evasion means that you'll need to throw up less substitutes overall. Your team has Wish support so Cacturne can get its HP back.

to Cacturne add Focus Punch > Seed Bomb and give it Brightpowder.

I would highly suggest a Rapid Spinner. Yanmega and Togekiss would appreciate that. As would Cacturne who needs that HP for making Substitutes.
 
I was thinking of you lewading with Hippowdon, he's good at stall and is actually a threat with todays PT metagame. Tyranitar also sets up sandstorm but if you want more stall, I would personally go Hippowdon.

"Anyone else ?"

I'm just going to assume that you can handle Gyarados 100% :)
 
Focus Punch > Seed Bomb as previously stated on Cacturne. Subdouble Punch is a fantastic strategy, so take advantage of that. However, if you are having problems with bulky waters, then it is fine. Bright Powder should be full of hax, so use that over Black Glasses.
 
Thank you all. Changed the Focus punch on Cacturne and it's item but i am unsure if replacing Blissey is the right thing to do since Blissey using toxic is a big part of this team success.

Anyway any more suggestions ?
 
as stated, togekiss has plenty of SpDef (base 125), and t-tar gets 1.5X boost, so blissey is not needed as much. also, u have 3 fight-weak pokemon with blissey in there, so you might want to have another pokemon to stall with. If I'm not mistaken, almost every pokemon in the game can learn toxic, so you have planty of choices. Also, why not try out burn? It can seriously cripple threats like weavile or gyara, and it still does damage. If you want a burning pokemon thats also immune to sandstorm, u can choose camerupt, solrock, or heatran (although heatran is best used for actual attacking).
 
theExcorsist said:
as stated, togekiss has plenty of SpDef (base 125), and t-tar gets 1.5X boost, so blissey is not needed as much. also, u have 3 fight-weak pokemon with blissey in there, so you might want to have another pokemon to stall with. If I'm not mistaken, almost every pokemon in the game can learn toxic, so you have planty of choices. Also, why not try out burn? It can seriously cripple threats like weavile or gyara, and it still does damage. If you want a burning pokemon thats also immune to sandstorm, u can choose camerupt, solrock, or heatran (although heatran is best used for actual attacking).
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So ... I replace Blissey with Heatran and give toxic to vaporeon ? By the way how about replacing Blissey with a rotom ?
 
I like the rotom very much. Thats a great idea for such a fighting weak team. However, I suggest him over blissey. We can still use Rotom to revenge kill while providing a solid gyara/scizor/lucario counter. The reason you want to hold on to toxic is because the team has trouble breaking down walls. A trick-scarf Heat Rotom can trick its scarf to a wall, possibly ending its usefullness, and it can revenge kill.

Heat Rotom @ Choice Scarf
Timid
Levitate
4 hp/252 Sp. Attack/252 Speed
Thunderbolt
Overheat
Shadow Ball
Trick
 
I will try it. How about giving toxic to vaporeon ? About the rest of the team any suggestions ? (especially Yanmega who i am not sure if it is sufficient maybe i will replace it) Thanks.

UPDATED TEAM


Tyranitar (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spd
Jolly nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Superpower
- Crunch
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Togekiss (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Serene Grace
EVs: 252 HP/6 Def/252 SDef
Calm nature (+SDef, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Roost
- Thunder Wave
- Aura Sphere
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Rotom-h @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Thunderbolt
- Trick
- Shadow Ball
- Overheat
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Yanmega (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Air Slash
- Bug Buzz
- Hypnosis
- Roost
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Cacturne (M) @ Brightpowder
Ability: Sand Veil
EVs: 252 Atk/4 Def/252 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Swords Dance
- Substitute
- Sucker Punch
- Focus Punch
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Vaporeon (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 188 HP/252 Def/68 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Wish
- Ice Beam
- Surf
- Protect
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Dont use toxic on vaporeon. You do not, NOT, need toxic. Vaporeon's set is great as is. It can heal and wish pass while using Surf and Ice Beam to counter ape and the dragons. Heat Rotom does everything toxic did and more
 
I agree with O.Ownage about Zapdos and DDTar. Also, I generally distrust Toxic. I suggest you replace Roost on the Yanmega with HP Ice (if on shoddy or something, becasue that's hard as anything to get Wi-Fi). With HP Ice, you have much better coverage against the Zapdos, and even if it doesnt KO, it'll at least weaken it so that another team member can KO it. I don't like Roost on a Pokemon with only average Hp/Def and low SpDef.
 
friar04 said:
I like the rotom very much. Thats a great idea for such a fighting weak team. However, I suggest him over blissey. We can still use Rotom to revenge kill while providing a solid gyara/scizor/lucario counter. The reason you want to hold on to toxic is because the team has trouble breaking down walls. A trick-scarf Heat Rotom can trick its scarf to a wall, possibly ending its usefullness, and it can revenge kill.

Heat Rotom @ Choice Scarf
Timid
Levitate
4 hp/252 Sp. Attack/252 Speed
Thunderbolt
Overheat
Shadow Ball
Trick
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I would suggest that Thunder Wave be used in place of Shadow Ball. This allows you to still counter Gyara, Scizor, and Lucario while also paralyzing things. I find this most useful when I switch into something such as scizor that feels extremely threatened by Overheat. They expect an overheat and switch in their scarftran. Since you expected their scarftran, you use thunder wave, and now their scarftran fails to be fast and is very susceptible to being owned. On a side note, Fire Blast only successfully hits Bright Powder Cacturne 61.2% of the time, meaning you could easily sub as they switch in and have a good chance of OHKOing with Focus Punch without even losing your sub.
 
You should post the updated team in the original post. Roost is a bad move on Yanmega, you won't get the time to use it and its not that bulky. Weakness to SR really hampers it as well as you'll have to roost first thing when you come in or you will die next turn due to sandstorm. Superpower is a bad move on DDtar, it doesn't hit anything significant harder and you just lower your attack. I agree with O_Ownage that you should make your t-tar into the CB version.

Tyranitar @ Choice Band
252 Atk / 252 Hp (if you want to outrun skarm take 84 hp evs from hp and put them in speed)

Pursuit
Crunch
Stone Edge
Aqua Tail / Earthquake

I'd recommend Aqua Tail as with it you pretty much 2HKO nearly everything in the metagame.

Yanmega seems out of place. You can only switch in once due to sandstorm and SR. I agree with O_Ownage that you should change it into that Heatran. I based a team around the Toxic Heatran + Pursuit T-tar combo to take out blissey and it works wonders.

If you don't go with CB tar change superpower into Stone Edge.
 
Superpower has been very useful actually so far. It kos any dark that may come in , including tar , is the best answer against magnet rise Magnezone and other friends and generally it is unexpected and works well. I may replace it with stone edge on a CB tar however but as it is now i feel like Superpower >>> Stone edge , at least based on my playstyle. Or based on my luck since i did not face many zapdos users so far. I think it would be an interesting thing to discuss the uses of superpower but maybe not in this thread.

Anyway on the CB version which is the one i would be using i would use this :Pursuit
Crunch
Stone Edge
Aqua Tail

I will try CB tar now and Heatran though , it sounds like a great combo ! Thanks.
 
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